Bush came out with his points he will use against the Democratic Nominee.

[jansu]

The Nominee is:
for the Patriot Act, then against it..
for the war with Iraq, then against it..
for NAFTA,then against it..
for WTO, then against it..
for No Child Left Behind, then against it..
fill in the all the other positions they have voted for and now say they are against.....

A whole list of flip-flops by the "leaders" in this primary. This will be hard to answer. It is hard to point out the lies of Bush, when our Nominee may have many of his own! A true conversion from your position is fine, but it really only is believed, if it happened before you began running for President.

How are we going to deal with it, if Kerry or Edwards is the Nominee? Because, This is THE BIGGEST PROBLEM we have with them!

I really want some thoughtful answers.

[reprehensor]

1. On Kerry authorizong the use of force...

WRP answers for you...
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/122203A.shtml

[jansu]

3. Yes, but after that vote, did he authorize the funds for the war?

The President can send troops anywhere, anytime, for any reason.....the Constitutional requirement is that the Congress decide if they agree with this and authorize the money for it. If they DO NOT AGREE WITH WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS DONE....THERE JOB IS TO NOT FUND THE WAR! No money...no war. (Unless you are Reagan and Nixon, which hid the war money they received from black ops and continued their wars).

All this talk about supporting the troops. The best support you can give to the troops, (other than decent pay, etc and taking care of the veterans), is to ONLY use them when absolutely necessary!

If you don't agree with the President sending our troops, do not fund them and they will be brought home. This is what their Constitutional duty is!

So, no matter which way you voted on the WRP, has little meaning, but if you authorized the payment to continue, you supported Bush and his war!

Am I wrong?

[bif]

2. That's why it should have been Dean

The man didn't waffle at all.

[swinney]

4. Like Waffles? 45 Biggies at Bush Waffle House

Not updated since May 2003 so many to add.
BUSH WAFFLE HOUSE
“I say what I mean and mean what I say”
“ Promises made-Promises kept”
“When I make up my mind it stays made up”
“I do not take cues from anyone”
“You can’t say one thing and do another”
“Trust me I’m a straight shooter”
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1.Osama Bin Laden is my number one priority. (at least this week)
2. We need an Office of Strategic Influence (Next decade maybe)
3. I will follow the UN Resolution as long as it takes-10-27-02
10-31-02—The UN needs to act now
2-13-03—The UN needs to show courage (like I did during Vietnam.)
4. I am a strong believer in Fair Trade—(except steel and softwood lumber) (votes first)

Ed Crane—Co-Founder and President of The Cato Institute-“Everything this
administration does is political”

5, We do not need for the Homeland Security Department to be a Cabinet position.
I made up my mind on it. Boston Globe—6-9-02 “Bush Flip Flop”
6. I will get Osama Bin Laden “Dead or Alive”—(go get em cowboy)—5-13-02-(“I don’t know where he is, I have no idea and I really don’t care.) (It’s not that important. It’s not out first priority”) (“I say what I mean”). (“When I make up my mind it stays made up”).
7. I will use the bully pulpit with OPEC. (Sic em bulldog my gas now 1.65 per gallon)
Supply went down and Prices went up and (“This is just the Free Market at Work”)
8. I will never apologize to the Chinese for “stealing our plane”. Please guys! Be nice.
Return our plane. “I regret it”
9. I mean what I say—“We can expect an attack”. Each month warning. When BOY?
10. Wash. Post-2-8-03—Bush seeking a promise from IRAN (Evil) for humanitarian help
in event a slaughter is done in Afghan. (Sounds like Reagan?)
11. NYT-1-23-03—Bush (Man of steel will) “rescinding” old policy and implementing a new policy that allows managed care organizations to limit and restrict coverage of emergency services for poor people on Medicaid. This was after criticizing HMO.s for refusal to allow treatment. If this is a Devout Christian I am Jesus Christ.
12. We will not negotiate with North Korea. Wash Post 1-16-03—Bush is now willing to consider agricultural and energy aid. (Hold on! This is EVIL of axis)
13.Individual investors who borrow money to buy dividend paying stocks should be penalized.(Gosh! What did I say—I did not mean it) NYT 2-5-03
14. I mean what I say until yelling starts. Military pay increase of 2% then 4%.
Stars & Stripes-12-30-02—Bush asked Defense Dept. to lower the announced pay raise for the military from 3.7% to 2%. Finally got 4 in 2004 budget.

“I am tired of all the Lying and Deception”—Amen! Hallelulah! Then stop it Boy.




15.I mean what I say—I am the education president. Please. First budget increased by 1,5% which had averaged 7% increase per year over five years. (Sounds like Clinton was the Educated educator to me.)
16.Wash Post-12-2-02—In June 2002 Bush promised 500 Million to fight mother-child transmission of Aids . In Aug he vetoed the first transfer of the 500 million. In 111 days since his promise 222,000 babies have been infected with Aids. (I wonder if Jesus Christ is tossing in his bed)

17.“Secretary O’Neill is doing a good job. The economy is improving. I have faith in him”. (your faith lasts two weeks boy)

18.The Homeland Security Bio-Terrorism Bill is too expensive. I will veto it. An Ok is not a veto boy.
(I mean what I say” but maybe I will not this time.)

19. I do not approve of an Independent Investigation of 9-11. (“I mean what I say” but—yelling is too loud).

20.I am against international money laundering controls. (9-11—“I changed my steel mind”) They may catch daddy.

21.We will have major social security changes. Wash Post. 11-11-01—Andrew Card on Meet the Press on 11-10-02 “I am not sure we will reform it” This was a Centerpiece of his campaign..

22.-12-30-02—We will not tolerate a North Korean nuclear arsenal. (Act nice guys if you want our $$$)

23.We do not hit civilian targets(in Afghan). There is no evidence. (Red Cross building not civilian—Veterans Hospital is military—Warlord Party heading to Kabul to celebrate was armed with .22 rifles—Wedding Party was violent and firing in the air at our planes 20,000 feet above them)

24.Wash Posr-11-15-02—“If you are not happy with the administration’s policy toward Iraq at any given moment just wait a week or two. A new policy, more your liking, is bound to appear”.

A. Go it alone week
B. Let us wait for UN week
C. “regime change” is goal
D. remove wmd is goal
E. Secretary of State is nor speaking for the president
F. Attorney General is not speaking for the administration.
G. I am sick and tired of this waffling and waiting.


25.Steel Tariff—I really did not mean that much. I angered some people. Reduce it.
(When I make up my mind it stays made up)
26.Carbon Dioxide is a power plant pollutant I will control.. (Oh! It will be too costly to my energy contributors so forget it suckers—cough cough)
27.Reuters-6-26-02—‘I have confidence in the Palestinians when they understand we are saying they must make the right decisions”—“I can assure you we will not be putting money into a society which is not transparent and which is corrupt”.
(Was he referring to his administration? Sounds like it—transparent—corrupt)

28.I am against human cloning in any form. (well, not quite “any”)
29.“I knew nothing about dangers of 9-11”. Eight months later. “I knew a damn bunch (but I was too busy on Vacation and looking for more to blame on that President who stomped my dad. Darn it is tough being dumb, inarticulate and following such a brain and great success)
30.“I am in excellent physical condition.” (Darn, staying up till midnight in Paris zapped all my energy—Boy—try conditioning your mind))
31.I am on top of everything. (Why did you say twice on TV—“I am not in control the Pentagon is running the War (Afghan)—You have a White House base—same as Al Qaeda. Only more secretive)
32.I will veto bill increasing benefits for disabled military retirees (Yep!He was war hero.. 6-20-02 in Wash Post. I do not change my mind. Until 2004 Budget).
33.-6-14-02—released 23,653 of ”cherry picked” Reagan papers after refusing to do it. “When I make up my mind it stays made up” Is this BOY real ?”
34.I mean what I say—‘I will provide 100 million to help preserve the Rain Forest”
35.Budgeted funds for his dad’s Crusader cannon then demanded that Congress kill the big sucker.
36. Airline Security is very important to me. Then, why did you fight so hard to keep guns out of cockpits?
37.Barred part-time Mexican and Canadian students from U.S. schools after 9-11. Then, after howls reversed his decision. “When I make up my mind”
38.Simon (candidate for Gov. of California). “He is a breath of fresh air.”
Bush sho hated that California Smog for he avoided Simon while in his presence.
39.“I will not engage in bailing out countries.” 30 billion to Brazil just a tip?
40.NY Times-Richard Stevenson-2-14-03—“Bush eases Ban on AIDS money to pro-abortion groups abroad.. What will he tell Falwell?
41.-March 6—“We will call for a UN Security Council vote.” Geo. Bush
March 13—“There may be no vote” Colin Powell
NY TIMES-“Bush promises to adopt peace plan”. The Guardian-“Bush reversed his previous insistence that the Middle East Peace effort must wait till after Iraq SLAUGHTERAMA
42.NY TIMES--Edmund L. Andrwews-2-26-03—Less than a month after President Bush proposed a radical overhaul and expansion of individual retirement and savings account the White House has abandoned their idea. (“When I make up my mind it stays made up”) (“Promises made promises kept”) (“I say what I mean and mean what I say”)
-------------WHO IN HECK IS IN CHARGE IN THIS WAFFLE HOUSE?------------

43. ny times-patrick e. tyler-5-17-03—“In reversal, plan for Iraqi self rule by June 1 put off indefinitely. “When I make up my mind(scorched?) it stays made up”? Sho!
44.BIG WAFFLE—Washington Post-8-19-03-Dana Milbank & Bradley Graham—
“Bush revises view on combat in Iraq”.---May I on USS Desertion he said-- “Combat Operations are over”.. Now—“Actually, Major military operations continue because we still have combat operations going on”. Is this boy of scorched brain or what?
45. TEACH FOR AMERICA PROGRAM ZAPPED BY BUSH. I am pissed off. Big time. In 2000 campaign Bush promised President Wendy Koop to expand it. His aides asked President Wendy Koop to quadruple it. . On July 11,2003 she got a letter “We regret to inform you your application was not selected for funding”. Gone. Zapped totally. Bush is one of sorriest not just worst in history. Read TIME—8-17-03. Joe Klein article headed “WHO KILLED TEACH FOR AMERICA”? Sorry, but I am so furious I have difficulty writing. I do not like to curse but xxxxxxx.

[jansu]

8. Really well said! Now, we need to get these out there, here's my plan...

Each of us need to print out papers of all the lies * has said. (Your post here is a good start) Make it factual, not inflamatory! Just a truth vs. lies paper.

If each of us who post on Du were to copy 100 papers and leave them in places that we each go to: laundrymat, cafes, Dr. office, ect. and ask each person who takes one, to make copies and distribute to other sites, we can get the message out there, cheaply. (Is that 4,000,000 papers?). Keep doing it with any message you want to have people thinking about.

Here at DU, we are preaching to the choir. We need to get those others thinking about all the issues, from a common persons point of view.

I am going to start today.

Also, you can use this for local, county and state issues and Elections. Make a difference, not only in the White House, but locally!

[efhmc]

5. Mentioning a few of the lies and manipulations that were revealed

after bush set off on these goals might help.

[Nashyra]

6. Ok here goes

first off they need to respond that these issues were predicated on being able to take the word of the commander in chief. "Sadly today that is not the case any longer" The administration was to use the IWR resolution to add leverage in the UN not to start a preemptive war. The patriot act was enacted to ensure national security not to be abused by the attorney general of this administration. There should be no child left behind and it is a damn shame that * has left the funding behind for a program that could have worked the way Kennedy presented it. It's not the actual no child left behind act it is the deceptive way that this administration has funded it. Nafta needs to be fixed not scrapped, it should not be used to give unfair advantage to large corporations and special interests groups to add to the paychecks of the CEO's pockets and the stockholders at the expense of the workers. The candidates should IMO use the argument of the bipartisan support these bills have had and attack the person that has implemented them and funded them. Make a case that * can fuck up even legislation that has bi partsian support because it is he that is flawed, not that any of the senate or house reps flipped flopped. Point out that in all the years in the senate no other president has such done a more piss poor job of implementing and funding important legislation. Would we have rathered that the front runner candidates not have voted on the IWR or Patriot Act, sure, but then again this is about countering *'s aggressive campaign attacks and the easiest thing for most voters to understand or the best soundbite, is the fact that it is not the "bills or legislation, but the lies and the leadership of funding and taking action of these bills.

[jansu]

10. This is the real Teflon president!

Something is mentioned, like the AWOL, and then it becomes a non-issue! This is how he and his whole family has always gotten away with what they do and say. How do you fight that? I know he has always lied, even when telling the truth would not hurt him, but he slithers away from having to ever truthfully answer for his crimes! Mad as hell!

[emulatorloo]

7. JK: "The American people haven't forgotten this President's failed record"

a Point by Point rebuttal of Bush's speech

<snip>

“President Bush gave his speech tonight as if the past three and a half years never happened.  But the American people haven't forgotten this President's failed record, because they have to live with it everyday. George Bush's credibility is running out with the American people.  They want change in America, and I'm running because I am determined to bring that change and put America back on track.”

Rebuttal:  Bush By Bush's Standards

Tonight in front of Republican Governors, Bush characterized his administration as "STEADY LEADERSHIP IN A TIME OF CHANGE.”  But the very areas he highlights as successes illustrate how far backwards he has taken America.  How can we believe his new promises when he’s failed so miserably to keep his word for the past four years.

<snip>

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0223j.html

[Career Prole]

9. Has no one read this speech?

Sweet mother o' god, I'm so sick of hearing about Kerry's IWR vote. Read the damned speech.

For the entire speech click here:
http://www.independentsforkerry.org/uploads/media/kerry-iraq.html
"John Kerry's Statement on Iraq Before the War
TEXT FROM THE SPEECH JOHN KERRY MADE ON THE SENATE FLOOR
October 9, 2002"

Excerpt, emphasis mine:

As the President made clear earlier this week, "Approving this resolution does not mean that military action is imminent or unavoidable." It means "America speaks with one voice."

Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies.

In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days--to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out.

<snip>

The administration may not be in the habit of building coalitions, but that is what they need to do. And it is what can be done. If we go it alone without reason, we risk inflaming an entire region, breeding a new generation of terrorists, a new cadre of anti-American zealots, and we will be less secure, not more secure, at the end of the day, even with Saddam Hussein disarmed.
Let there be no doubt or confusion about where we stand on this. I will support a multilateral effort to disarm him by force, if we ever exhaust those other options, as the President has promised, but I will not support a unilateral U.S. war against Iraq unless that threat is imminent and the multilateral effort has not proven possible under any circumstances.

Really, folks...I have no problem whatsoever with Kerry's rationale for his yes vote. The man did not waffle. Bush lied.

He also voted for a fully funded "No Child Left Behind". If the Senate had been told the administration was going to renege on the money to pay for it and it would end up a millstone hung on the neck of education, he wouldn't have voted for it.
Kerry didn't waffle. Bush lied.

He's said his Patriot Act vote was based on it being a stopgap measure and had it not been a temporary measure he wouldn't have voted for it. He's dead-set against extending it, and you can take that to the bank. I see no waffle there.

As for free trade, lots of people were for free trade when it was first introduced. Lots of people now realize the pie-in-the-sky ideal has bugs out the ass. That isn't waffling...that's a change of heart brought about by bitter experience. The world is full of that kind of waffle. Would you not admit to such waffling yourself?

[elsiesummers]

11. I think this is just the Bush on Kerry script

(Disclaimer - I am an Edwards supporter - but Kerry is OK and would vote for him in the GE).

It is the script they will use on Kerry because of the careful sort of answers that Kerry gives to questions. Kerry tends to sort of talk around questions, is a bit indirect, his answers are nuanced and complex. I think Kerry needs to change his answer style in order to combat this problem. His answer in the Wisconsin debate on gay marriage was a perfect example of how he talks both sides. He needs to fix this style problem now, not later.

I don't think this Bush waffle script is the script against Edwards. In many instances Kerry and Edwards hold similar positions - but when Edwards give an answer he comes off direct and sincere - maybe because of his different background. Also - Edwards doesn't have the extended legislative record that Kerry has - so more difficult for them to pin him to past positions and position changes. The only one that I see, that could be a problem, is NCLB. He came straight out in one debate and said it was a mistake to vote yes on it - so could be a problem. Basically - I don't the waffle script works on Edwards because he doesn't "act" waffley.

There will be a different script against Edwards - that he is a light weight - that will be the script - and he will have to prove them wrong with the extended version answers - wonky policy specifics and lists of statistics - sort of like Clinton or Gore. I think Edwards can make this shift because on occasion (in some policy speeches, but not the Two Americas speech) he has emphasized wonkiness - but it is something he is saving for the General Election, IMO. Right now he is sticking with soundbites and repetition for the primary.