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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:33 PM
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Statement from John Kerry Regarding Bush’s "Waffle" Speech to Governors
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 12:36 PM by bigtree
The following statement was issued by John Kerry after President Bush’s speech tonight at the Republican Governor’s Association fundraiser: http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0223j.html
February 24, 2004-New York, NY –

“President Bush gave his speech tonight as if the past three and a half years never happened. But the American people haven't forgotten this President's failed record, because they have to live with it everyday. George Bush's credibility is running out with the American people. They want change in America, and I'm running because I am determined to bring that change and put America back on track.”

Bush By Bush's Standards

Tonight in front of Republican Governors, Bush characterized his administration as "STEADY LEADERSHIP IN A TIME OF CHANGE.” But the very areas he highlights as successes illustrate how far backwards he has taken America. How can we believe his new promises when he’s failed so miserably to keep his word for the past four years.

Bush Said His Administration is: "Moving the Economy Forward"

Tonight Bush said he is responsible for “tax relief that is moving economy forward.”


U.S. has lost THREE MILLION jobs since Bush came into office. Bush is also responsible for a record $304 billion deficit.

Bush Promised He'd Create 2.6 Million Jobs This Year, Then He Changed his Mind a Few Weeks Later

“Bush's economic team has said his programs will create 2.6 million jobs this year. It's a goal economists say will be difficult to achieve.”

“The Bush administration is overly upbeat in predicting that 2.6 million new jobs will be created this year, private economists say. It is a hurdle that would require the administration, in just one year, to replace all of the jobs that have been lost in the three years since President George W. Bush took office. ‘The job machine would have to rev up very, very quickly - it's got to be almost supercharged at some point during the year’ to do that well, said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Economy.com.”

“Thursday's report also showed that the number of unemployed people collecting jobless benefits for more than a week rose by 106,000 to 3.2 million for the week ending Feb. 7, the most recent period for which that information is available. This suggests that jobs are still hard to find for some workers. The report comes as recent Bush administration comments about the job climate touched a political nerve and raise questions about the White House's economic grasp. President Bush on Wednesday distanced himself from an earlier prediction by his economic advisors that that the economy would add 2.6 million new jobs this year.”

Bush Said His Administration is: “Winning war terror”

Bush Giving Up on bin Laden


President Bush: I have no idea whether we will capture or bring to justice, may be the best way to put it.”

Tonight Bush said he should be re-elected because his is “extending peace and freedom.”

Friday Bush Administration Admitted Their Interim Iraq Plan is Not Working


“The Bush administration acknowledged on Friday that its ambitious plan to transfer sovereignty directly to a democratically elected government in Iraq was unlikely to succeed, after Iraqis insisted on elections untainted by U.S. influence. White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the administration's initial plan for an interim, democratically elected government through a complicated series of 18 regional caucuses had failed to pass muster with Iraqi leaders.”

Tonight Bush said, “In Iraq, my administration looked at the intelligence, and saw a danger.”

Bush Conceded His Argument for War was Wrong

Mr. Russert: The night you took the country to war, March 17th, you said this: “Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.”

President Bush: Right.

Mr. Russert: That apparently is not the case.

President Bush: Correct.

Mr. Russert: How do you respond to critics who say that you brought the nation to war under false pretenses

President Bush: “...I made a decision based upon that intelligence in the context of the war against terror. In other words, we were attacked, and therefore every threat had to be reanalyzed. Every threat had to be looked at. Every potential harm to America had to be judged in the context of this war on terror.”

Bush Made Assertions About WMD BEFORE Report Completed: Tenet Said Administration Ignored Caveats and Qualifiers. “In its fall 2002 campaign to win congressional support for a war against Iraq,

President Bush and his top advisers ignored many of the caveats and qualifiers included in the classified report on Saddam Hussein's weapons that CIA Director George J. Tenet defended Thursday. In fact, they made some of their most unequivocal assertions about unconventional weapons before the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) was completed.”

Bush Said Iraq Threat of “Unique Urgency” Though Report Did Not Draw That Conclusion. ”Iraq "is a grave and gathering danger," Bush told the United Nations on Sept. 12, 2002. At the White House two weeks later -- after referring to a British government report that Iraq could launch "a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order" is given -- he went on to say, "Each passing day could be the one on which the Iraqi regime gives anthrax or VX -- nerve gas -- or someday a nuclear weapon to a terrorist ally.’ Three weeks later, on the day the NIE was delivered to Congress, Bush told lawmakers in the White House Rose Garden that Iraq's current course was "a threat of unique urgency."
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:40 PM
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1. It will be interesting to see how the news media
reports this press release. It is rather lengthy. I like it though.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:45 PM
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2. Tenet testifying before committee now
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:50 PM
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4. news media probably wont read it all
i think they will just report something if they can get a soundbyte from the senator himself. the current media tends to be either too lazy or purposefully wants to dumb things down so they most likely wont do a real reporting of the issues and points made on here.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:48 PM
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3. Off Message
This is a poorly formatted retort. They should, at the very least, list the bullet points first to give the media something simple to grab onto. Then if they wish to flesh out each charge, it can be done in the body of the release.

This makes me concerned that the Kerry team, and Dems in general don't understand how to respond to the richly coded language that is being used against them. They need liguists to help them frame their message so that it reflects their core values and explodes Dumbya's carefully constructed frame.

They need to do much better.

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:52 PM
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5.  I concur
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 12:53 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
They do need to break it into soundbites for the electoral attention deficit crowd.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:53 PM
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6. Maybe not such a good strategy to elevate the charges
He should lead the attacks, not be seen as on the defense. These talking points highlight Kerry's offense more than they defend.

I think he has done so well at this that the White House has poked their head out earlier than I can recall ever happening. Bush just hurts himself whenever he speaks.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:53 PM
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7. The actual release at the site is formatted properly.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:56 PM
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8. I should have used bold insted of italics
:dunce:
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TheStateChief Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:32 PM
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11. My Thoughts Exactly...
This response is so scatter-shot that you don't really pull anything out of it. Rather than rebutting everything in this manner they should focus on Bush's complete failure on jobs and the economy and keep pounding, pounding, pounding. That was the most effective part of this response and, as you say, the rest could have been summed up with bullet points.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 03:45 PM
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30. Exactly, orwell. They are doing better but they still don't understand
George Orwell's Ghost could explain to them what they're up against.

Better yet, he could just throw a copy of "1984" down on the table.

The "richly coded launguage that is being used against them" is a grotesque amalgam of Josef Goebbels and Comrade Squealer from Orwell's "Animal Farm".

It is also absolutely correctly descriptive.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:20 PM
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31. fucking boring too
dropped off to sleep after the first paragraph, couldn't be bothered to read the rest.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:34 PM
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34. I have had to read enough local council reports in the past
(or at least I didn't read them more to the point) and I can recognise 'council dribble-speak'.

"caveats and qualifiers" I mean what kind of idiot uses those words. I like my words one syllable maximum, nice big chunky unsubtle primative words, like kill, food, and sex.

Next thing you know they will be using the n-word, nuance.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:50 PM
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35. You have to feel sorry for the poor journalist
who gets assigned the task of turning this anemic crap into something that is interesting enough for people to read in their daily newspapers.

I believe the figure is 30-40% of newspaper stories are just press releases that are sent to newspapers who then copy them out almost verbatim.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 05:04 PM
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36. What was the bush* article last night here
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 05:06 PM by legin
"Democrats too Bitter and Angry"

Focus. These are the points I'm going to remember about the article I read (if indeed i even bother to read the article). Right in my face, in human every day terms that I can relate to.

I'm not wading my way through a great big long article trying to work out what are the main points the article is trying to make. It's too much effort and it cuts down on my beer drinking time.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:08 PM
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9. Kerry doesn't address the "waffling" charge AT ALL!
Whether the charge is merited or not, Kerry has to quickly and firmly rebut charges such as these directed at him by Bush. Otherwise, Bush will frame the debate (as in 2000).

In this case, Kerry will become known as the "waffler".

All Kerry has to come out strongly and say things like:
"The IWR as I voted for it contained language stating that we must first exhaust ALL diplomatic opportunities, and Bush clearly did NOT do that. Even after strongly pledging that he would do so, Bush did not even bring a second resolution to the Security Council seeking authorization to use force. It is also clear now that the Bush administration mis-characterized and exaggerated evidence they presented to Congress and the American people in seeking passage of the IWR. This is not about a vote on the IWR. This is about how, armed with that threat of force, George W. Bush did a horrible job in working with our allies and the international community to achieve consensus and a true coalition."

I know it's playing defense, and one also needs to play offense. But the Dems need to respond quickly and specifically to charges such as these, or the Repubs will frame the debate, and the image of Kerry will be what they want it to be.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:12 PM
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10. Okay, upon further reading, he sort of does...
...in (indirectly) defending his IWR vote as based upon what the Bush administration told congress.

But it's too obtuse. Kerry needs to say things such as my imaginary quote above in stump speeches (I know, oooh, big speechwriter that I am!). No one reads press releases.

He needs to specifically, and concisely, address charges like these. And he needs to do it personally and forcefully.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:48 PM
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13. Exactly - she shouldn't repond
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 01:48 PM by Jersey Devil
Responding establishes that he is on the defensive. It is better that he give lip service to response and then level his own charges against Bush. Bush has been on the defensive for months. It would be foolish to allow him to change that dynamic.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:53 PM
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16. One can't let charges go unanswered. It WILL shape the debate.
This killed Gore. Doing the opposite won Clinton the White House (remember pitbull James Carville?)

One can at once respond to charges and go on the offensive. See my post below re Kerry's quick response today to the Bush "marriage protection" amendment.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:59 PM
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19. Carville send out attack faxes but did not
put Clinton in the position of looking defensive by responding directly to Bush attacks. For every attack by Bush there was a fax that brushed the attack aside and made new attacks against Bush.

I agree about Gore, but I believe he lost more because he failed to go after Bush on his positions on the issues.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:16 PM
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24. I see your point, but either way, there has to be direct, immediate...
....responses, and in a way that they are heard. If that's not directly from Kerry, than from someone or in some manner that the media will pick up on. Carville not only sent out faxes, but was everywhere.

Kerry needs his pitbull.

I agree that for every attack, they need to "brush it aside and make a new attack".
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:23 PM
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26. The Response, Sir
Should be a counter-attack, not a direct rebuttal.

Particularly where the issue of an opponent's poor credibility is to be established, the charge should be left to dangle, while the opponent's credibility is basted on other matters, and persons are reminded of the opponent's lies and failures. Who cares what a liar says, after all, and what do people care about "waffling" politicians? That is what people expect of politicians, and it does not much move them against one.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:44 PM
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12. Thanks Very Much For This EXCELLENT Post...
-- Allen
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:48 PM
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14. God this guy is weak.
"Presidentt Bush gave his speech tonight as if the past three and a half years never happened. But the American people haven't forgotten this President's failed record, because they have to live with it everyday. George Bush's credibility is running out with the American people. They want change in America, and I'm running because I am determined to bring that change and put America back on track.”

Thats his rebuttall?

Pathetic. The stuff his website put up for him is a little better but the actual statement itself is weak as can be. It is going to take every single democrat out there to prop this guy up for him to win cause withstatementss like that hes surely not going to beat bush on his own merit.

Why America's dems are getting suckered into this poor excuse for a candidate is beyond me.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:52 PM
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15. Weak? Not at all
A statesmanlike leveling of charges against Bush rather than a point by point rebuttal of what Bush said which would make Kerry appear defensive. Let Bush get down in the gutter. Kerry can do that with surrogates when it is necessary.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:02 PM
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20. LOL
um OK.

maybe thats how you see it. I see it as pathetically weak. If i wasn't paying attention I wouldn't know what the hell he was talking about and most of America isn't paying attention.

So now the meme is Kerry cant call out bush on his statements because it would appear Kerry is being defensive?

So we can look forward to Kerry refusing to take bush on on anything because it would make it seem as though Kerry was letting bush frame the deabate...Oh joy !

The worst frigging president in my lifetime with nothing but weakness on so many fronts and Kerry is going to be "statesmanlike" and refuse to call him on any of it because it would make him look defensive...

This election should be so easy to win and Kerry appears to be on track to make it damn near impossible.

Fuck the dnc/dlc media whores for pushing this waffling loser on the democratic party. Apparently he will never grow the stones to actually stand up for anything.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:12 PM
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23. I'm not surprised that you aren't impressed by Kerry's response
But he is taking the fight to Bush, and hasn't allowed Bush to dictate the terms of the debate.

You are still bogged down attacking your own party's candidate, echoing the diverting talking points of the republicans. I don't see much value in the Egnever strategy.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:17 PM
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25. Yes indeed
I am not all that familiar with the full cast of characters here but it sure sounded like some sour grapes to me.

Kerry cannot allow Bush, on the basis on one speech to a bunch of well heeled Republicans, to dictate the debate.

I think Kerry's statement on the proposed Constitutional Amendment re gay marriage was masterful.

PS - I am a former Dean supporter.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:24 PM
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32. bully for you
wheres the fight?

I dont see it I see a lot of non statements puffed up by his adoring fans.

I dont not want him as my president. He does absolutely nothing for me and I am pretty sure he wont do anything possitive for the nation either.

9 friggin bills from him in congress in his entire career there half of wich were lame we support these people cause we think they are good kind of garbage.

This man has no fire and cares nothing about change. I hope to hell if he gets the nod he is able to remove bush. It should be easy but so far he hasnt done a damn thing to make me think he can pull it off.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:56 PM
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17. On the other hand, Kerry's response to the gay marriage issue today...
... is GENIUS! He at once swiftly and forcefully depicts this "issue" for what it is, takes a stand, and turns it back at Bush

"This President can’t talk about jobs. He can’t talk about health care. He can’t talk about a foreign policy, which has driven away allies and weakened the United States, so he is looking for a wedge issue to divide the American people."

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0224b.html
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:58 PM
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18. Kerry is already losing. Here's how.
As you can see, he's reacting reacting reacting. He's allowing Bush to frame the debate and put him on the defensive. This, among other things, is exactly what has kept the Democrats from being on a massive losing streak these past many years.

It's like a fencing match (don't know how familiar you are with fencing, so allow me). The majority of it is making a series of moves not meant to garner "hits" (touches) but to see how your opponent reacts to them. You assess their reactions and ferret out their weaknesses. Then you formulate an attack based on those weaknesses and go for the kill. The key is keeping the opponent on the defensive.

Kerry is already there and this thing has barely begun. We are fucked.



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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:03 PM
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21. I disagree
There must be some response - I think Dukakis taught us that. However, the responses must be coupled with new charges against Bush that drive the issues back on topic - the econ, deficits, outsourcing, loss of jobs, etc. Kerry is doing that every single day.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:04 PM
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22. Don't kid yourself
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 02:13 PM by bigtree
Bush's rehashed rhetoric didn't get much press. This is a measured response to one meaningless speech.

I trust that Kerry's campaign has, and will in the future, formulate a more competent defense than you have Scott Lee.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:23 PM
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27. Wait until the Repukes create the Osama-Kerry ads
They worked so well against Cleland and Kerry & Gephardt supporters used them effectively against Dean. There is no way that Rove won't use them against Kerry, especially since Kerry voted for IWR and voted against the $87 billion Iraq package.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:58 PM
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29. It is the Bush administration that took the focus off of bin Laden
and manufactured a case for war with Iraq.


Sen. John Kerry: "I have no doubt in my mind it's Osama bin Laden," he told CNN. "It's very much in keeping with the threats he has made."

A number of attempted attacks, or plans for attacks, have been "thwarted" this summer, said Kerry. CIA Director George Tenet briefed him on the failed efforts a few weeks ago, he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/investigation.terrorism/


The involvement of both a bin Laden family affiliate, the Saudi Investment Company (SICO), and of the bin Mahfouz family National Commercial Bank, with the Bank of New York - Inter Maritime Bank of Geneva, owned and managed by Bruce Rappaport. The Kerry-Brown Report gave details of the involvement in the 1980s of Rappaport, and of his bank's Vice President, Alfred Hartmann, with BCCI, with former CIA Director William Casey, and with the National Bank of Oman which forwarded Arab money to the Afghan mujahedin (Beaty and Gwynne, The Outlaw Bank, 311-12; Kerry-Brown Report, 318-20; cf. 69).
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/11intel.htm

The bin Laden family have tried to depict Osama as a renegade, and more recently the bin Mahfouz family have tried to say the same of Khalid. The details of this nexus make both claims highly unlikely. It would appear that the main reason we do not get the whole truth about this nexus is the involvement of Saudi, British, and US intelligence, not just before 1991, but today.
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/q4b.html


. . . destroying al Qaeda and other anti-American terror groups must remain our top priority. While the Administration has largely prosecuted this war with vigor, it also has made costly mistakes. The biggest, in my view, was their reluctance to translate their robust rhetoric into American military engagement in Afghanistan. They relied too much on local warlords to carry the fight against our enemies and this permitted many al Qaeda members, and according to evidence, including Osama bin Laden himself, to slip through our fingers. Now the Administration must redouble its efforts to track them down. And we need to pressure Pakistan to get control of its territories along the Afghanistan border, which have become a haven for terrorists.
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=M000003082&keyword=&phrase=bin+laden&contain=


"A bold President would have sent American forces, not Afghan warlords, into Tora Bora to attack and capture Osama bin Laden and the leaders of Al Quaeda."
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=M000007305&keyword=&phrase=bin+laden&contain=


And in the war against terrorism, let me state clearly what we all know in our hearts to be true: two years after the tragic events of 9/11 we have not made our nation safe enough. Overseas, our Commander-in-Chief turned to Afghan warlords for the assault on Tora Bora; Osama Bin Laden got away and today the Taliban and Al Qaeda are regrouping.

And here on the home front, every investigation, every commission, every piece of evidence we have tells us that this President has failed to make us as safe as we should be.
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=M000018587&keyword=&phrase=bin+laden&contain=


This is now a golden opportunity. It's a huge opportunity. I hope the president will fully seize it. We can bring other countries to the table, reduce the burden and, frankly, turn our attention to the real war on terror, which is the effort to capture Osama bin Laden and to focus on al Qaeda around the world.
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=M000025910&keyword=&phrase=bin+laden&contain=


Americans won't be fooled into confusing the War on Terror with the capture of Saddam Hussein. I think most Americans would agree that having Saddam Hussein behind bars has made us safer. It's George Bush who tries to trick the American people into confusing Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. And Democrats owe it to America to be better than that.

Americans deserve a candidate for President who Americans can trust to protect our security both at home and abroad.
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=M000026317&keyword=&phrase=bin+laden&contain=


MATTHEWS: One of your arguments made by your competitors is we could have gotten Saddam Hussein, and we didn't have to get Saddam Hussein right away. We did have to get Osama bin Laden. We still haven't gotten him because we were diverted by going after Saddam Hussein.

Do you believe in that prescription?

KERRY: Absolutely. No question about it. I agree that there was no rush there.

I also believe that this administration failed when it had an opportunity, and it failed because the civilian leadership made decisions that held our own troops back. And they were unwilling to commit to the kind of daring necessary to capture Osama bin Laden.

The military mission of Tora Bora, I was the first person in the country to point out publicly that that was a failed mission. And it was a failed mission because they went in; they had him cornered in the mountains. They knew it, and they didn't deploy the troops necessary to kill him.

In fact, what they wound up doing was breaking up the beehive. They didn't kill the killer bees; they didn't kill the queen bee. They dispersed them.

Now we're living, in fact, in a more dangerous world where this administration is not even building the levels of cooperation that they need to on a global basis.

The real war on terror, Chris, is not Iraq; it is not military. It is an intelligence gathering and law enforcement operation. And the real war on terror requires the president to deal with Pakistan more effectively so we can do what we need to do in the northwest corner of the country and on the border, which is where Osama bin Laden is.

And until you deal with the radical Islamic issue, the nuclear weapons that might fall in their hands, you are not making the United States of America as safe as we ought to be.

MATTHEWS: If you were president today, how would you pressure Musharraf, the president of Pakistan, to get tough on his own Islamist fundamentalist dangerous people and at the same time a second front in capturing Osama bin Laden, and at the same time survive?

KERRY: I think the most important thing, Chris, that we need to do is make certain that there's a fail safe mechanism for the protection of the nuclear weapons in Pakistan. That's the danger.

There have been two attempts on his life in recent days. And if those weapons were to fall into the hand of radical Islamic, then you have an entirely different situation particularly with Osama bin Laden in the country. That's the first order of business.

And the second order of business is to work through whatever is necessary to strengthen and empower the capacity for democracy for him to be able to hold on. That is important to us.

But you can't do it halfway and you can't do it the way they've done it without even completing the task of Afghanistan itself. We haven't moved rapidly enough to do the reconstruction there.

The opium-the opium sales and the amount of the crop coming out of Afghanistan has grown enormously under the Bush administration, and that's what's funding now some of the warlords and some of the radical Taliban efforts in the north part of the country.

We sent our troops to Afghanistan to kill Osama bin Laden. And it is not difficult for somebody to say yes, he's guilty. Yes, we ought to try him, but I believe he's guilty. I mean, that's a simple matter of belief that is reasonable, it seems to me.
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We need a candidate for president who can stand up, as I believe I can, and take on Karl Rove and the Republicans and remind them that they're not the only ones who know something about aircraft carriers. I know something about aircraft carriers. And we're not going to let them hide the fact that they lost 3.1 million jobs, walked away from their responsibilities to the country. We need to hold them accountable on domestic affairs, on foreign affairs. We need to go right at them.

Remember, they thought that was their strong suit. They can't find Osama bin Laden. They can't find Saddam Hussein. They can't even find a leaker in the White House, and they probably don't want to be able to. (Cheers/applause.) And we need to take that away.

So I have confidence—I have confidence that we will win next year if we deserve to win. And I ask all of you, the backbone of the Democratic Party, the DNC, I say to you and I say to activists all across this country, have faith in who we are and what we believe. Stand up for our values.

Have the courage to make the choices that are right for our nation. Let's go out and do the work. Let's put America back to work by putting George Bush and Dick Cheney out of work. Let's go get it done.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 04:33 PM
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33. I disagree
Kerry said today that Bush is in trouble & I agree.

Bush is in trouble with his base, so his constitutional ban on gay marriage. He needs to play to his base.

Also, Bush is losing on jobs, economy, Iraq, everything.

Therefore, he has moved to a wedge issue.

I did not support Kerry, but I am very pleased with the way he is handling things. He has been on offense the entire time.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:36 PM
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28. Good speech!
I'm so glad he doesn't waste anytime sending a rebuttal.
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