The main reason to not nominate Hillary Clinton is...

[Leo 9]

Behavioral Conditioning

Over the past 16 years the right wing media machine has dedicated millions of hours to conditioning the public to react negatively at the sound of her voice or the mention of her name.

We know it's not fair, but we all know it's true.

Why should we enter the race with such a handicap?

[Catherine Vincent]

1. Some of you that are scared of the right wing media are pathethic. nt

[annie1]

3. a good number of democrats and people here buy into it, so they fear AND side with them.

[Leo 9]

7. The right wing media want her to be the nominee.

Rupert Murdoch Loves Hillary Clinton
Conservative Media Mogul To Host Fundraiser For Liberal N.Y. Senator

NEW YORK, May 9, 2006


Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., April 29, 2006, left and News Corporation Chairman and CEO Rupert Murdoch, June 18, 2003. (AP)

(CBS) To call them a political odd couple would be a rash understatement.

Conservative media mogul Rupert Murdoch will host a fundraiser for liberal New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, the Financial Times reports.

The mating ritual of the unlikely allies has been under way for months. Clinton set political tongues to wagging last month by attending a Washington party celebrating the 10th anniversary of Fox News, the cable news channel owned by Murdoch.

The Financial Times quoted one unnamed source as describing the Clinton-Murdoch connection in this way: "They have a respectful and cordial relationship. He has respect for the work she has done on behalf of New York. I wouldn't say it was illustrative of a close ongoing relationship. It is not like they are dining out together."

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/09/politics/main1600694.shtml

[annie1]

8. ew, put a warning on that photo of that asshole murdoch. :D. dear murdoch, kick the bucket, thanks.

[yourout]

9. This by itself is more than enough to keep me from voting for her.

[corkhead]

31. I think it has been called "a vast right wing conspiracy". I don't remember who said that...

Insults will not get me to vote for your queen.

[Leo 9]

4. Not scared, just aware of what has to be overcome.

I see no reason to make her the cause.

She's too much with them to be that.

Why not pick a new name, one they haven't spent so much time and treasure on?

[ccpup]

11. yeah

I mean it's not like the MSM and the repugs aren't going to invest a ton of money digging around in a "new person's" history, right? And it's not like the scandals one finds -- or creates out of thin air -- with a "new person" won't get any attention or anything, right?

The difference between Hillary and a "new person" is the alleged scandals with Hillary will need to be dusted off in order to be resuscitated. And the public, much like they did during the 1990s, will collectively shrug their shoulders and go "big deal".

A "new person", though? Nice and new gossip to discuss endlessly on talk shows, around the water cooler and on the front page of the newspaper, above-the-fold in big, block letters. And, because they're "new", it gets even more attention because, I mean, he just looks so NICE! Who would have believed he'd do THAT?!

[Leo 9]

19. Why invade Pas de Calais, when Normandy would be so much more...

...unexpected?

[indimuse]

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[Leo 9]

38. They'll make fun of Obama's name, bash him for admitting to...

...using drugs, imply he's a black muslim, and pander to white supremacy in general.

If that's all they got to use against him it will roll right off as it already has.

However, there's no way they can achive against anyone else the sort of negative conditioning they've got against Hillary Clinton before the 2008 election.

Did I mention she's also short?

[Hieronymus]

23. Why not fear the corporate media .. they run the country?

[mtnsnake]

25. You nailed it, cat_girl. It's amazing how these people simply let the right wing push them around

to the point that the RW dictates to them who they should run as their candidate. Hard to believe...

[Tactical Progressive]

28. They only 'fear' winger media when it's Hillary

You can bet this attitude will completely reverse itself should their Great Leader go up against them.

Same as everything else about Baracks little moonies - they only understand things from the perspective that they want, from his vast inexperience, to the IWR, to his primary campaign of smears and lies against Dems.

Hillary isn't scared of the right wing media; neither should any Dem be. The only thing any Dem should be scared of at this moment is Dems getting conned into supporting a punk like Obama to represent them. That's something they have control over too, so there won't be any excuse for it happening.

[Catherine Vincent]

29. Obama is not that bad.

I wouldn't call him a punk. Don't stoop to their level.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

33. Anyone who tells me my enemies are "good, moral, and decent" is definitely that bad n/t

[Leo 9]

40. "a punk like Obama"?

Talk about behavioral conditioning to create dislike on an personal irrational subconscious level. :spank:

[goldcanyonaz]

2. I'm not going to let some RW f*** tell me who to vote for. nm

[AtomicKitten]

5. Sounds Pavlovian.

[Leo 9]

10. Much of what they do is that.

They put much more energy into making fun of someone's name or appearance or sound of their voice or some other assigned personal defect than they ever put into talking about their issues or ideas.

The behavioral conditioning can be something as simple as making a rude noise whenever they say someone's name.

It works.

Soon you can't hear their name without also hearing that rude noise.

[Kucinich4America]

6. That's not the only "conditioning" that has been taking place the last two decades

You're also being conditioned to accept extremist right wing positions as "moderate centrism".

Republicans like Eisenhower and even Goldwater would look like liberals compared to the DLC, yet we are told to accept them as "Democrats".

[Cha]

12. The main reason not to

nominate hillary is that she's a bushite enabler and will continue to feed the military complex's War Machine. She's a dlc "corporatations first", and The People better look sharp cause they need more fodder to satiate that corporate greed.

[Leo 9]

17. We want someone who can defeat the dictatorship,

not pander to it.

[Cha]

20. A Leader as it were, Leo,

from one Leo to another:)

[goldcanyonaz]

13. I would love her to become President just to see Rush, Bill O's and Sean's faces.

[Cha]

14. Not good

enough.

[RaleighNCDUer]

15. Are you kidding? They'd be ECSTATIC!

Just think what it would do to their ratings for the next 4 years.

[Cha]

21. True dat. n/t.

[rateyes]

16. I, for one, believe she's earned her reputation...

and should not be elected.

[Cha]

22. Leave it to rateyes to

get to the heart of the matter. :(

[rateyes]

24. I do my best.

:D

[Rageneau]

18. Because all the 'right' people hate Hillary.

Stuck-up, Ivy-League overachiever.

Who the hell does she think she is?

I've decided I'm gonna not like her before she gets a chance to not like me.

[Leo 9]

41. You forgot to mention that she's also short.

The tallest presidential candidate usually wins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heights_of_United_States_presidential_candidates

[mtnsnake]

26. Do you always let the right wing dictate to you who your candidate should be?

Good gawd, show some guts and stop letting the other side push you around.

[Leo 9]

42. I see no reason to show my guts by going through where the enemy

has been placing most of their defenses for the past 16 years for the sake of one person who didn't have that much likability or charisma to begin with.

I'd rather go around all that with someone more able to win over public support.

I'll support which ever nominee is chosen, but until then I might as well raise a fuss about an obvious handicap that no critic in this thread has even attempted to deny.

[loveangelc]

27. trust me, there are far better arguments for not electing Clinton than the media.

too many to name right now..

[elana i am]

30. she comes with a bill.

i don't like her and i don't trust her, but what's more i LOATHE her husband.

no more clintons.

[Leo 9]

44. Well now I wouldn't say that.

I like them both as far as it goes.

I'd just like someone with more likability and charisma to be our presidential candidate.

Bill's got it.

Hillary doesn't.

In spite of their 16 years of trying to get people to personally dislike him, polls show most people still love Bill Clinton.

The polls do not say the same about Hillary Clinton.

[Perry Logan]

32. And you call the Democrats in Congress cowards?

[depakid]

34. Certainly a valid point

Particularly since she's managed to alienate so many of those would would otherwise be her base.

[Countdown_3_2_1]

36. She Can't Answer Questions Either.

She comes across as evasive, deliberately vague, scripted.
Obama and Edwards easily answer tough questions.
If Hillary cries and complains about a tough primary, what is she going to do against the GOP attack machine...pout?

The old gal is out of her league. Time for her to retire and let more competent people run.

[bvar22]

37. Behavioral Conditioning may be one reason to avoid Hillary,

but the MAIN reason is that Americans who Work for a Living could not survive another DLC presidency.






"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[liberalla]

39. The main reason to not nominate Hillary Clinton is...

because she is too closely aligned with corporations working against the best interests of America and 'we the people.'

That a huge percentage of people have an automatic negative knee jerk response to HRC is another problem. Uphill battle.

I like her fine, but I don't want her to be President. She should keep working in the Senate.

[K Gardner]

43. TMTC (too many to count)