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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:41 AM
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Mitt Romney: "I saw my father march with Martin Luther King."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/241/
Politifact rates this one "Barely True"
George Romney and MLK marched, but not together

Mitt Romney has said several times that he saw his father George Romney march with the civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr.

But the Romney campaign was forced to admit recently that Romney meant "saw" in the figurative sense after the Boston Phoenix, a weekly newspaper, looked into the claim.

Romney said it was a figure of speech and that he meant he was aware of his father marching with King. (For the curious, the Merriam-Webster Collegiate dictionary also defines "see" as "to form a mental picture of," "to perceive the meaning or importance of," and "to be aware of.")

Three newspapers have tried and failed to find evidence of the two men marching together. The Boston Phoenix first checked Romney's statement and concluded it was false. Subsequent examinations by the Detroit Free Press and the Boston Globe found no news stories linking the two men to the same event.

We at Politifact.com reviewed the New York Times archives and found several mentions of Romney's support for King and several articles discussing marches that each participated in separately, but never a mention of the two marching together. The elder Romney was then the Republican governor of Michigan, which has a significant African-American population. King, of course, was the most celebrated civil rights leader of his day. It seems unlikely that the Times would have missed covering a march where the two appeared together.

The Globe interviewed Susan Englander, associate director of the Martin Luther King Jr. Research and Education Institute at Stanford University, who said, "I researched this question, and indeed it is untrue that George Romney marched with Martin Luther King."

We spoke with Englander on Dec. 28, 2007, and she said she stood by that statement and does not expect evidence to turn up to contradict it.

The Romney campaign has pointed to a line in a history book ("The Republican Establishment: The Present And Future Of The G.O.P., 1967," by Stephen Hess and David Broder, p. 107) that says the elder Romney and King marched in Grosse Pointe. Two witnesses also told Politico, a political news web site, that they remembered the men marching together almost 45 years ago in Grosse Pointe. But newspaper accounts from the time and historians contradict these assertions. There is no other support for the contention that the men were in Grosse Pointe together.

But it's also clear that George Romney, who served as governor from 1963 to 1969 and died in 1995, supported King's goals at a time when few politicians did. When King visited Detroit and led a rally of 125,000 people in 1963, Romney issued a proclamation and sent personal representatives. (The Times report noted that Romney was Mormon and did not make public appearances on Sundays.) Two years later, Romney led a march of 10,000 people in Detroit to protest events in Selma, Ala. (King wasn't there.) When King died in 1968, George Romney attended the funeral.

“Romney, as a member of the liberal wing of the Republican party, was stalwart civil rights supporter,” Englander said. "He consistently supported integration."

Given the elder Romney's notable support for King's politics, we can understand how people might believe, many years later, that they did march together. And it's arguably a minor point: You could call it a coincidence of history that they never attended the same event at the same time. Mitt Romney, who would have been 16 in 1963, said recently, "I think the thing that’s relevant is that my dad was a champion in the civil rights movement, that he aligned himself with Martin Luther King."

That part is true. Nevertheless, Mitt Romney's statement that he saw his father march with Martin Luther King remains problematic at best. If he'd stopped at saying his father was a champion of the civil rights movement, he would have been on solid ground. Balancing the lack of evidence that the two men marched together against the elder Romney's well-documented support of Martin Luther King, we rate Romney's statement Barely True.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:49 AM
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1. Not going to knock Mittens too much for this one--his dad sounded like a good guy
and DID march in support of King, even if not in the same march. Mittens is right to be proud of his father, but the exaggerating and phoniness is something people already don't like about him--you'd think he'd take care to be scrupulously honest and accurate in his statements.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:31 PM
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5. You seem to have a soft spot for him
I think he's the very worst of the Republicans. He believes in nothing but Mitt Romney.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:33 PM
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6. He's talking about his dad, rugg
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:38 PM
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8. He's *lying* about his dad
The man is a liar. Remember the "I'm a lifelong hunter" remark? Remember when he said to Timmy Russert that he was "endorsed" by the NRA, when he actually wasn't. Remember his lies to try to squirm out of the poor dog on the roof of the car story? The man makes Giuliani look like Mother Theresa.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:47 PM
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9. By 'he' I meant wienerdoggie, and that your criticism of the poster was off base.
I doubt that wiener has "a soft spot" for Mitt.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:54 PM
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10. It's the second or third time
I've seen this poster defend Mitt from various charges, hence my observation. No ill will was meant by it.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:06 PM
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11. I think he's a plastic, phony weenie, but he doesn't bother me that much.
I don't have a visceral hatred for him like many on DU (nor do I for Rudy, for that matter--he reminds me of the Italian guys I was surrounded by in Pennsylvania, growing up--obnoxious and overbearing, but familiar). If you want to call that a "soft spot", then so be it. I respect the fact that his father had a good, progressive heart for a Republican, and I don't like the Mormon-bashing of Romney (I used to live in Utah), so that probably softens me a little too. Would I ever support him, in any way? Fuck no. Do I like him? Fuck no. Now, I DO have a visceral hatred for Huckabee--he fucking makes my skin crawl and my hair stand on end--total flim-flam man who uses religion, charm and humor to deflect the fact that he's A: Stupid and B: Full of Dark Hatred and Nastiness. McCain--used to like him a ways back, now he's contemptible, but he doesn't make my gut clench like Hucky does. Thompson--used to have a visceral hatred of Thompson last spring and summer, but he's so pathetic now, I feel bad for the guy--he was so overhyped and dragged into the race as a savior, and now they don't want him--he doesn't bother me either. Neither does Paul--he's OK on the war--I don't hate Paul. So there you have it.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:57 AM
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2. I saw my father march with George Washington,
so I know how Mitt feels.

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:29 PM
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4. I drank beer with Babe Ruth!
Well... no. But I did had one with Johnny Pesky, and he knew Babe Ruth a little back in the day.
By Romney's measure I should be in Cooperstown!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:19 PM
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13. Like Richardson claim to be an outstanding professional baseball
pitcher until he hurt his arm.

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 09:15 PM
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14. link?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 11:16 AM
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16. Billy Richardson comes clean and tels the REAL truth!!!! LOL!
Bill is a real water carrier, even Henry Kissinger used him.

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - Gov. Bill Richardson is coming clean on his draft record—the baseball draft, that is, admitting that his claim to have been a pick of the Kansas City A's in 1966 was untrue.

For nearly four decades, Richardson, often mentioned as a possible Democratic presidential candidate, has maintained he was drafted by the Kansas City Athletics.

The claim was included in a brief biography released when Richardson successfully ran for Congress in 1982. A White House news release in 1997 mentioned it when he was about to be named U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. And several news organizations, including The Associated Press, have reported it as fact over the years.

More at link......

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8E325882&show_article=1
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:59 AM
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3. Gawd, I really hope Multiple-Choice Mitt is the GOP nominee... what a target-rich GE prospect.
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 12:03 PM by ClarkUSA
Nice report, MP. :thumbsup:


Recommended.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:35 PM
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7. Willard would probably be the easiest one for us to beat
He is amoral, insincere, has no core convictions and there are a lot more Baptists than Mormons.

All we have to do is run a commercial, skipping from him saying he would "ask the lawyers" first what to do when we're attacked, jump to his explanation of being a lifelong hunter: "well, I really hunted varmints, if you will" and then smash cut to his sputtering explanation of what the definition of "saw" is, when he lied and said he "saw" his father march with MLK.

Fade to black.

Tagline: Is this man for real?

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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:13 PM
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12. Walk with whom.....?
...Hey, as long as Romney doesn't break into song with: I walk with God.........
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 09:17 PM
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15. On MSNBC,
Chris Matthews has shown that Mitt also claimed, tears ago, that he marched with King.
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