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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:14 PM
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Edwards: Looming on the horizon, another “Hey Mabel” moment?
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 10:58 PM by Skwmom
"In 1985, a 31-year-old North Carolina lawyer named John Edwards stood before a jury and channeled the words of an unborn baby girl.”

"She speaks to you through me," the lawyer went on in his closing argument. "And I have to tell you right now — I didn't plan to talk about this — right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you." http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/31/politics/campaign/31EDWA.html?ex=1390885200&en=4fb97ac07a96f186&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

The media and Rove will use this to destroy Edwards in the general election . They will argue that either:

1) Edwards is another Democratic nut (as they readily point to Howard Dean who even a fellow Democrat called a nut)

OR

2) Edwards is another Democratic fraud and liar who lied to a jury during his closing arguments (he didn’t feel her inside him, talking to you ). They will ask, “Doesn’t this remind you of the other Democratic fraud and liar who was so lacking in integrity that he lied to a federal grand jury?”

They will go on to say whether Edwards is a nut or just another fraud and liar, someone who channels an unborn child (for whatever reasons) is not presidential and is unfit to ascend to the highest office in this land. Is he fit to be president/is he presidential? is a meme the corporate media and republicans have been floating for quite some time. Bob Schaeffer on Imus described the moment when he determined that Howard Dean was unfit to be president as his “Hey Mabel” moment (Hey Mabel (Schaeffer’s wife), come look at this concession speech.) Can “Hey Mabel ,“come listen to the pundits discuss Edward’s channeling of an unborn child” be far behind (just don’t expect to hear it until the general election)? (on edit: removed formatting that hid some of this paragraph for some reason).

Furthermore, they will argue that if Edwards is just a convincing fraud and liar (and not just another Democratic kook) he must be lying about more than just channeling an unborn child. They will point out that Edwards has tried to paint himself as a man dedicated to uplifting the poor and downtrodden. However, they will inform the voting public, the truth is that “Edwards is just another snake oil salesmen, another Bill Clinton.” Will it be a challenge for the Republican party to define Edwards as a phony, as a smarmy personal injury attorney who only cares about lifting himself up to office of the presidency? In addition to the “channeling of an unborn child” consider, for example

“Over time, Mr. Edwards became quite selective about cases. Liability had to be clear, his competitors and opponents say, and the potential award had to be large. "He took only those cases that were catastrophic, that would really capture a jury's imagination," Mr. Wells, a defense lawyer, said. "He paints himself as a person who was serving the interests of the downtrodden, the widows and the little children. Actually, he was after the cases with the highest verdict potential. John would probably admit that on cross-examination." http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/31/politics/campaign/31EDWA.html?ex=1390885200&en=4fb97ac07a96f186&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

…."For the one or two who got a substantial jury verdict," said George W. Miller Jr., a former state representative in North Carolina who practices law in Durham, "there were 99 that did not get anything, either because they were not able to finance litigation or their claim was questionable." Mr. Edwards ……. opposed state legislation that would have helped all families with brain-damaged children and not just those few who win big malpractice awards.” http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/31/politics/campaign/31EDWA.html?ex=1390885200&en=4fb97ac07a96f186&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND
“ Edwards, who comes from a state where banking is big business, played a critical role in brokering legislation to allow banks to sell mutual funds and insurance, and to engage in other speculative ventures. This law, worth hundreds of billions to the banks, blasted a gigantic hole in the Glass-Steagal banking law’s firewall of protections designed to prevent the kinds of bank collapses that marked the Great Depression of the ’30s — meaning that it put the money of Joe Six-Pack depositors at risk.” (A Populist Make-Over Meet John Edwards, the Corporate Man, http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Jan04/Ireland0129.htm

Some of you might think the Republicans wouldn’t dare attack John Edwards for supporting pro-corporate legislation (oh contraire, therein lies the beauty of separately funded groups and the funding of ads for third party candidates).

The media is now pushing Edwards hard and attacking Kerry. The media defends their actions by arguing that they “love a horserace.” Hmmm, I think what they love is the thought of four more years of George Bush (so he can continue to dole out the corporate goodies and push for further media consolidation) which is what the “channeling an unborn child” candidate will guarantee.

Even if John Edwards can’t overtake Kerry, the pundits argue he should be on the ticket (the same pundits who will later on insist that due to Kerry’s health concerns, a thorough scrutiny of VP Edward’s suitability to serve as president is certainly warranted).

If John Edwards is the nominee (or anywhere on the Democratic ticket) the republicans and the corporate controlled media will repeatedly ask: Is a candidate, who claims to have channeled an unborn child, fit to ascend to the highest office in the land? I think voters in the general election would answer a resounding NO. In addition, how many Democrats fighting to retain or win a congressional seat will want to be accompanied on the stump by the “channeling an unborn child” candidate?


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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:16 PM
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1. I'm in you
You're in meeee...

Hey, you're preaching to the converted. :hi:
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:42 PM
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38. Hey Incapsulated
Great Wes pic!!!
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #1
47. Yeah but I'm in YOU
and god knows WHAT that is in ME.
But I did have sushi for lunch

Goes to show you how stupid dems can be,

TWEEDLE DUM AND TWEELE DEE

Vote ham sandwich '04.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:28 AM
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53. The problem is you're ignoring the case Sk "I hate Edwards" Mom is posting
The Repugs thought they had this easy mark in the Senate race of 96 when Edwards got elected. They used that EXACT same case in a commercial slamming Edwards. You know what Edwards did? He brought out the family of the victim.

He won.
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Edwards4President Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #53
56. "I beat 'em. And I beat 'em again. And I beat 'em again. And I beat 'em
AGAIN!"
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #56
58. Yup
It's funny to see them try to paint it as a negative, when he's consistently flipped it on them and destroyed them with it.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:29 PM
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2. Doesn't appear we need the Repugs to do it for us
Seems like the case is spelled out. Perhaps we should start strategies how to explain how Edwards actually intended those statements to be viewed instead of taking the closing statements out of context and providing talking points.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:37 PM
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3. Do you think the Repubs need me to figure out how
to play Edward's channeling of an unborn child? As far as trying to come up with a defense for Edwards, no thanks. I'm appalled that the Democrats would find him an acceptable candidate for president.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:48 PM
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. That horse isn't dead
yet.

Does Edwards get a pass on DU as well as the media?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:03 PM
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15. How can you trust a New York Times article that can't even get the simple
fact straight that Edwards's client wasn't 'unborn'?

Doesn't that make you wonder?

And, furthermore, most liberals criticize the JUDGE in this case for going so far out of his way to reduce the award that he ruled Edwards had overstepped the bounds of decency. If I remember correctly, the plaintiff didn't even make a motion on these grounds. The judge practically invented this legal argument.

Edwards writes about this in four trials as an example of how awful right wing judges are.

It's sad that some DU'ers aare so pressed for criticisms of Edwards that they rely on the arguments of the right wing.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 11:37 AM
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59. "unborn" in the context of what Edwards was saying
"In 1985, a 31-year-old North Carolina lawyer named John Edwards stood before a jury and channeled the words of an unborn baby girl.

Referring to an hour-by-hour record of a fetal heartbeat monitor, Mr. Edwards told the jury: "She said at 3, `I'm fine.' She said at 4, `I'm having a little trouble, but I'm doing O.K.' Five, she said, `I'm having problems.' At 5:30, she said, `I need out.' "

But the obstetrician, he argued in an artful blend of science and passion, failed to heed the call. By waiting 90 more minutes to perform a breech delivery, rather than immediately performing a Caesarean section, Mr. Edwards said, the doctor permanently damaged the girl's brain."

JE was "channeling" the girl while she was still in the womb, as the second paragraph makes clear.

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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:01 PM
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14. Dead horse?
Why do you think the corporate media and RW pundits are pushing Edwards so hard? It's not only because the guy has ZERO foreign policy and national security experience.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:06 PM
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19. You cite a NY Times article with a BLATANT factual error (child alive)
and then you say the media is on his side?

Rigth-o.

You know why the child's dead in the New York Times fiction? Because there's nothing flakey about a lawyer speaking for his client. You need the "unborn" part of the lie for this to sound flakey.

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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:56 PM
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8. Every candidate has baggage
this is the first I have heard of a personal negative on Edwards. Thanks, I'm sure most of us were unaware of this one.

I haven't decided he's my boy, nor is Kerry. When the people speak we are going to need to get behind the nominee. If it is Edwards then people on this board can figure out a tact to deal with those comments should others bring them up to us.

I see no need to spell out the problem and all the implications for folks on a world wide message board.

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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:58 PM
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11. Really?
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 11:00 PM by incapsulated
Really now?

Well, if what is posted on DU about the Candidates is so important to the "outside world", then how do we account for Kerry's success?
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:00 PM
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12. not going to play that game
Kerry wasn't the point. Nice strawman, though.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:07 PM
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20. Strawman?
No. You said:

"I see no need to spell out the problem and all the implications for folks on a world wide message board."


My counterpoint was that if what was posted here had any effect on the real world, Kerry would be toast.

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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:17 PM
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25. ok, nothing said here is of consequence
what was your point?
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:19 PM
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26. I'd much rather make people aware of the problem
now instead of AFTER the primary is over. Ignoring this problem would benefit Edwards but help Bush. Sorry but I'm not willing to do that.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:28 PM
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30. My take is we have oh so many folks here who are on a crusade
to make sure we know of every Dem candidate problem, real or imagined, that it often appears we are doing the work that Rove gets paid the big bucks to do.
Making certain that Edwards doesn't get nominated is not the answer. Whoever we front is going to get hammered by the Rove machine. I'd rather work to solutions than do Karl's work in trying to sway people against a candidate.

And hell, I don't even care that much for him - but he is a dem candidate and I will protect him against a complaint as silly as this one.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:30 PM
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31. I don't mind people airing out the arguments. But there a times when you
clearly lose the argument. Often, people just wait a day, and try again without addressing the stuff they failed to address the previous day.

Then you're just crossing the line to becoming something very different.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:35 PM
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33. true enough
Frankly, for obvious reasons I haven't gotten too involved in the flame wars here. Silly to have gotten caught up in this ome. Just struck me as such a silly thing to try to bring down a good man about. I have causcuses on the 2nd, was trying to learn something new about the 3 viable choices now that my early horse is out. Wrong forum, I guess.
'night. :hi:
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. How did an "unborn" child get standing to sue a doctor who caused her
injuries she was living with.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #9
23. This isn't a hard question, and I think if people are going to continue
to refer to this incident, this is one of the many issues they're going to have to address.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:53 PM
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6. I've always thought Edwards would be the easiest for the repugs to
run against. There is absolutely nothing on his resume that says this guy should be the President of the United States. People say Dean was unelectable, but he had a record of accomplishment that he could run on. What's Edwards done? He's made shitpiles of money as a lawyer, frequently voted with bush* in his one term in the Senate, and he smiles a lot while giving a real nice speech. I have big problems with Kerry, but at least he's spent his adult life in public service, and can list plenty of accomplishments. Edwards has one of the thinnest resumes of any major Presidential candidate I can think of. Rove would rip him to shreds.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:58 PM
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10. Did you also think that Dean was going to win the nomination?
Edwards has voted with Bush LESS than anyone else in Congress according to a congressional quarterly report.

That's what happens when you vote against free trade agreements that don't protect workers rights and the environment.
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katieforeman Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:20 PM
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27. There's nothing on Edwards' resume that says he shouldn't be President.
There is nothing on Edwards' resume that says he shouldn't be President of the United States.

Here's how the Republicans will characterize Kerry's resume:

Proposed, advocated, and voted for cuts in intelligence in 1997. Then he blamed Sept. 11th on lack of intelligence.

1980's opposed death penalty for terrorists who kill Americans overseas

attended protest rally and burned another Veteran's medals-kept his own on display

-opposed first Gulf War
-supported second Iraq war

- was rated more liberal than Teddy Kennedy
-was Michael Dukakis' Lt. Governor (everything they did to Dukakis they can do to Kerry)

-career politician, Washington Insider who has done numerous favors for special interests

Again, I like John Kerry but he is no where near as electable as John Edwards. You are over-rating experience and military service in terms of electability.

Experienced politicians with military service who have lost:
Bob Dole, Max Cleland, George Bush I, John McCain

Politicians with no military experience and less foreign policy experience than John Edwards who have won:
Clinton(twice), Reagan(twice), Carter, George Bush II
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #27
48. there's nothing on edwards resume to say he SHOULD be president
Kerry has plenty.
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katieforeman Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #48
50. How about a compelling vision, a detailed policy agenda,
and more foreign policy experience than Reagan, Clinton, or Bush II when they were elected. How about an ability to connect with people, judgement, integrity, intelligence, and a record of fighting and winning for ordinary Americans. How about working his way through college when no one in his family had ever been able to go before.

George Bush Sr. had a better resume than Bill Clinton. He argued that Clinton was too inexperienced. Did it work for him?

Bob Dole had a great resume, but no vision. Did he win?

Al Gore had a tremendous resume, but he wasn't very likeable. Did he win? (ok, yes Gore actually won- but he would have won in a landslide if resumes mattered.)

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:26 AM
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51. Like what? What makes Kerry a better person to be president?
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:54 PM
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7. trying to make something out of nothing
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 10:56 PM by jenk
you're really going out on a limb here, do you think Edwards REALLY believes that he channeled an unborn child? those accusations will never stick. People know, this is what lawyers do to sway juries

why do some people still keep up with the steady drumbeat of edwards bashing when the clark campaign corpse has been cold for months already. give it up!
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #7
16. Did you read what I wrote?
Either Edwards
1) believed what he was espousing (is a kook)
OR
2) didn't believe what he was espousing and is just another smarmy liar.
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:10 PM
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22. He believed in the cause
and that's the way he phrased it, this is what lawyers do every day. It's like this is some sort of shock to you.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:33 PM
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32. He believed in the cause or making money?

“Over time, Mr. Edwards became quite selective about cases. Liability had to be clear, his competitors and opponents say, and the potential award had to be large. "He took only those cases that were catastrophic, that would really capture a jury's imagination," Mr. Wells, a defense lawyer, said. "He paints himself as a person who was serving the interests of the downtrodden, the widows and the little children. Actually, he was after the cases with the highest verdict potential. John would probably admit that on cross-examination." http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/31/politics/campaign/31EDWA.html?ex=1390885200&en=4fb97ac07a96f186&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

…."For the one or two who got a substantial jury verdict," said George W. Miller Jr., a former state representative in North Carolina who practices law in Durham, "there were 99 that did not get anything, either because they were not able to finance litigation or their claim was questionable." Mr. Edwards ……. opposed state legislation that would have helped all families with brain-damaged children and not just those few who win big malpractice awards.” Ihttp://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/31/politics/campaign/31EDWA.html?ex=1390885200&en=4fb97ac07a96f186&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:36 PM
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35. Clients don't sue for beads and trinkets. They sue for dollars.
And the bigger the negligence, and the bigger the injuries, the bigger the dollars.

Edwards's cases were so big they tended to change state and national corporate policy.

We, as consumers, are lucky that someone as capable as Edwards was taking on the biggest and most influential cases.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:01 PM
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13. Lots of people think he's John Edward - guy who speaks to the dead
I guess they are not all wrong.
(W was elected governor cuz many voters thought it was Poppy they were getting)
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:04 PM
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18. Psst. His client wasn't dead. She was alive and couldn't speak.
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katieforeman Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:03 PM
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17. Is this the best you can do?
First of all, the 12 jurors in NC didn't think he was crazy. Edwards won that case.

Second of all, its very easy to defend. Edwards has enormous empathy for his client and he takes on their battles as his own. Just like Edwards understands working people and will take up our battles.John Edwards never claimed to be a psychic channeling the voice of the dead. Edwards claimed to feel deeply the little girl's pain and he wanted to be her voice for her. That's not crazy.

Thirdly, Edwards doesn't have a record of being flaky. When Quayle misspelled potato, it was a big deal because people already thought he was kind of dim. There is not a widespread belief that Edwards thinks he's a psychic.

Fourth, I'm sure that little girl's family would come to his defense. It's hard to attack Edwards without implicitly attacking his very sympathetic clients.

Fifth, this doesn't make me or anybody else worry about Edwards' ability to be President. Kerry advocating intelligence cuts in the 1990's and then blaming Sept. 11th on lack of intelligence--that will worry people. Kerry voting against the first gulf war and for the second--that worries people. Kerry being against the death penalty for terrorists in the 1980's--that will worry people.

Republicans will do to Kerry what they did to Gore-death by a thousand cuts. They will mine his 32 years experience for inconsistencies to paint him as a liar. This worries me a hell of a lot more than a single quote taken out of context!
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:07 PM
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21. I had to remove formatting from my original post.
It hid the main point I was trying to make (for some reason).
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:15 PM
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24. Sorry, I still don't get your post.
It's just plain silly to think that Edwards' closing argument will be taken that way--out of context.

I heard a masterful closing argument this past summer where the DA said the walls were speaking to him (because there was blood spatter on the walls) and ask the jury to listen to what the walls were saying. Everybody understood what that meant in the context of the closing argument.

Your screed on Edwards misses the mark.

When he ran for his Senate seat, the big money Helms Republicans tried everything they could think of to smear Edwards and IT DIDN't WORK. Edwards beat an incumbent Republican Senator in the South in a Red State.

Has any other candidate ALREADY had the experience of beating a Southern Republican Incumbent in a Red State? No, I didn't think so.

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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. If you think this will sell to the majority of the American voters
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 11:23 PM by Skwmom
I hate to tell you but you're in for a big surprise.

On edit: I'm really starting to see why the Republicans have control of all three branches of government.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. Once they hear the whole story (which is in Four Trials) they'll be
outraged at the judge who capriciously reduced the damage award because he's was a lap dog for big business.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:35 PM
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34. How do you think people are going to react to this?
…."For the one or two who got a substantial jury verdict," said George W. Miller Jr., a former state representative in North Carolina who practices law in Durham, "there were 99 that did not get anything, either because they were not able to finance litigation or their claim was questionable." Mr. Edwards ……. opposed state legislation that would have helped all families with brain-damaged children and not just those few who win big malpractice awards.” http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/31/politics/campaign/31EDWA.html?ex=1390885200&en=4fb97ac07a96f186&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:39 PM
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36. You wouldn't be able to form an opinion based on that article. It was
a hit piece by the times, riddled with factual errors and logical inconsistencies.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:41 PM
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37. And that fund was designed to give a lot of people a little, rather than
the people with serious injuries a real chance to recover their full damages, and the whole point of it was to make sure the total payout was smaller.

Edwards was right to oppose it. And if you're a democrat and if you didn't have something personal against Edwards, you'd agree.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:56 PM
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41. Yep that legislation was what
the big insurance companies were pushing for, so I'm sure it'll really be good for all of us, huh?

George Miller Jr. is a lawyer in Durham who practice is comprised of representing insurance companies. Not people with sick kids.

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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:54 PM
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40. LOL! Quoting George Miller Jr.
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 12:01 AM by Lex
who is a lawyer for big insurance companies that have had to pay out to Edwards' clients is pretty funny. He's been stung by Edwards' lawyering a time or two. And Mr. George Miller Jr. is IN the pocket of the large insurance companies and they are wanting Miller to figure out how to shut Edwards up.

Oh, and that "state legislation" that Mr. Edwards opposed "that would help all families with brain-damaged children" is really the civil liability cap that BIG INSURANCE is pushing for.

Give me a break.

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:58 PM
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43. Add this thread to the list of things you thought you'd never hear a Dem-
ocrat argue.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:05 AM
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46. Well I agree on one point.

When a DU'er starts quoting a lawyer like George Miller Jr., who represents big insurance interests, and parrots what he says about John Edwards to prove why Edwards is so terrible, then I agree that it's no wonder that the Repubs have all three branches of Government.

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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:46 PM
Original message
What about all the Republican nuts...
...who claim to be channeling "God"?
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 10:21 AM
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54. Hi MedusaSaur!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:46 PM
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39. C'mon. This "channeling the unborn child" comes directly
from Limbaugh.

He has been pushing it for weeks.

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dontstopthere Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:58 PM
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42. anyone remember that show
CROSSING OVER with John Edward?

maybe they are the same person and both channeling.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:59 PM
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44. I don't doubt that this is why the New York Times lied in that article
and said that a child who alive today was 'unborn.'
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:01 AM
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45. Incidentally, authors of that article: ADAM LIPTAK and MICHAEL MOSS
Next time you these two trying to sell you something, think twice before you buy it.
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:09 AM
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49. If Edwards gets the nomination he will be indicted for jury tampering
sometime around September. There will be absolutely no proof offered, only a sealed indictment that will be leaked to the press.

Millions of voters will believe it--he is a lawyer, after all, and they are usually the bad guys on TV--and all his protests will amount to nothing.

Nominate a trial lawyer and watch what happens.

I really think, sometimes, that nobody around here knows how this game is played when its played for keeps.
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Edwards4President Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:04 AM
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52. That should be pretty interesting
since John Edwards hasn't tried a jury case in nearly eight years.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 11:22 AM
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57. isn't that a bit like predicting that an "intern" will suddenly
appear, if Kerry is the nominee?

Come on, the Repugs are going to do whatever they will do, no matter who is nominated.
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 10:34 AM
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55. so we're all supposed to kneel down to king kerry?
no thanks.

last time we had a southerner with an understanding of regular folks in the white house, we didn't do too badly.

kerry's unelectable.

this isn't directed to any post whatsoever, but i wonder if there aren't a lot of freepers on du now pumping up kerry and dogging edwards.
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