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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 07:52 PM
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Kerry On Religion (Fascinating, Especially For Any Bill Moyers Fans)
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 07:57 PM by DrFunkenstein
This really says alot about the guy:

JK: Spirituality is a fundamental for us. I mean, it's the-it is the overpowering, driving foundation of most of the struggles that we go through here on earth, in my judgement. I am a believer in the Supreme Being, in God. I believe, without any question in this force that is so much larger and more powerful than anything human beings can conceivably define.

I think the more we learn about the universe, the more we learn about black holes and the expansion of the universe and the more we learn what we don't know about: our beginnings and-not just of us, but the universe itself, the more I find that people believe in this supreme being. I'm a Catholic and I practice but at the same time I have an open-mindedness to many other expressions of spirituality that come through different religions. I'm very respectful and am interested-I find it intriguing.

I went to Jerusalem a number of years ago on an official journey to Israel and I was absolutely fascinated by the 32 or so different branches of Catholicism that were there. That's before you even get to the conflict between Arabs and Jews. I have spent a lot of time since then trying to understand these fundamental differences between religions in order to really better understand the politics that grow out of them. So much of the conflict on the face of this planet is rooted in religions and the belief systems they give rise to. The fundamentalism of one entity or another.

So I really wanted to try to learn more. I've spent some time reading and thinking about it and trying to study it and I've arrived at not so much a sense of the differences but a sense of the similarities in so many ways; the value system roots and the linkages between the Torah, the Koran and the Bible and the fundamental story that runs through all of this, that connects us-and really connects all of us.

And so I've also always been fascinated by the Transcendentalists and the Pantheists and others who found these great connections just in nature, in trees, the ponds, the ripples of the wind on the pond, the great feast of nature itself. I think it's all an expression that grows out of this profound respect people have for those forces that human beings struggle to define and to explain. It's all a matter of spirituality.

I find that even - even atheists and agnostics wind up with some kind of spirituality, maybe begrudgingly acknowledging it here and there, but it's there. I think it's really intriguing. For instance, thinking about China, the people and their policy-how do we respond to their view of us? And how do they arrive at that view of us and of the world and of life choices? I think we have to think about those things in the context of the spiritual to completely understand where they are coming from. So here are a people who, you know, by and large, have a nation that has no theory of creationism. Well, that has to effect how you approach things. And until we think through how that might effect how you approach things, it's hard to figure out where you could find a meeting of the minds when approaching certain kinds of issues.

So, the exploration of all these things I find intriguing. Notwithstanding our separation between church and state, it is an essential ingredient of trying to piece together an approach to some of the great vexing questions we have internationally.

AW: Do you think that we are headed for more enlightened spirituality or are we doomed to crawl back to the caves?

JK: That's the test! That's exactly what the challenge of life is all about and some people find that. I mean, look at the Dalai Lama who I've spent some time with and who is absolutely intriguing. Extraordinary person. He is certainly telling us there is life from enlightenment-here and hereafter, but I think, whether or not we're going to be is the great test that all of us are struggling with. That's part of what makes life so challenging and so much fun.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=509

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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 07:53 PM
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1. This is why my sister's a big JK fan
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 07:53 PM by bigwillq
Religion.
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bhunt70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 07:54 PM
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2. good stuff, i have similar interests in this area
even though im not religious.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 08:01 PM
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3. Compare this intelligent discussion
of religion to the lunatic rantings of the idiot-in-chief:

"There's nothing more deep than recognizing Israel's right to exist. That's the most deep thought of all. ... I can't think of anything more deep than that right. I understand that the unrest in the Middle East creates unrest throughout the region...

Just another reason why I will be voting for Kerry.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 08:02 PM
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4. Kerry was a miserable failure on the spiritual front!
Pax Christi USA Statement on Commencement of War in Iraq

Statement on Commencement of War with Iraq - March 21, 2003


Pax Christi USA mourns the failure of U.S. policy and unequivocally condemns the illegal and immoral war on Iraq. No nation, regardless of its power or privilege, has the right to disregard the United Nations’ charter. The policy of “preemptive war” has been condemned by the Vatican, rejected by the United Nations Security Council and opposed by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. Pax Christi USA rejects war, preparations for war, and every form of violence and domination.

Our thoughts and prayers are with the people of Iraq as they endure the violence, chaos and uncertainty of war. We are inspired by the commitment of our bothers and sisters on the Iraq Peace Team who have remained with the people of Iraq to share in their suffering and we pray for their safety and serenity as war unfolds around them.

We continue to stand in solidarity with the peoples of Palestine and Israel, of Pakistan, Jordan and all those places that will be impacted by violence and strife as a result of this war, and we specifically call upon the Sharon Government in Israel not to escalate its violence against Palestinian civilians while the world’s attention is focused on Iraq.

Even as this war begins, the news media have failed to offer any reporting on the use of depleted uranium munitions. Moreover, Pax Christi USA challenges the media to report on the war’s immediate and widespread effects on the civilian population of Iraq: those killed by “precision” bombs; those without access to food and water; those without access to medical support.

http://www.paxchristiusa.org/news_events_more.asp?id=502
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 08:05 PM
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6. Do you know how many posts of yours have 'Kerry' in the subject? :-) (nt)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 08:19 PM
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10. I feel like I am on the Titanic's crows nest and I am yelling "iceberg!"
Who are you going to blame after Kerry leads this party to defeat in November? Are you going to blame those that raised all of the red flags about Kerry's record and flip-flops, or are going to blame the Beltway establishment that wanted Kerry as the nominee in the first place?
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 08:24 PM
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12. The Democrats Are Lucky To Have Such Vigilance
The ABK crowd are a credit to our democracy.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 08:07 PM
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7. Sounds Good To Me!
"I will support a multilateral effort to disarm Iraq by force, if we have exhausted all other options. But I cannot - and will not - support a unilateral, US war against Iraq unless the threat is imminent and no multilateral effort is possible."

"None of our intelligence reports suggest that Saddam Hussein is about to launch any kind of attack against us or countries in the region. The argument for going to war against Iraq is rooted in enforcement of the international community's demand that Iraq disarm. It is not rooted in the doctrine of preemption."

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Thanks again IndianaGreen for proving why Kerry would make such an excellent commander-in-chief!!!
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:02 PM
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13. You want John Kerry to go along with Pax Christi, which is a

great Catholic organization, but Catholicism doesn't teach that war is always wrong.

Ironically, you would attack John Kerry or any other Catholic politician who supported the Roman Catholic Church's teachings on marriage and divorce, artificial contraception, or abortion.

Everyone has to make their own spiritual path and I feel sure that I can relate better to John Kerry's spiritual path than to George Bush's.

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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 08:03 PM
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5. Wow!!
Kerry just jumped up quite a few notches for me. (I liked him before, though.)

I think that's a wonderful view of spirituality. So sane in contrast with the neocons.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 08:20 PM
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11. His words don't match his deeds!
That says a lot about his "spirituality."
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 08:10 PM
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8. I can't believe he's dropping the Dalai Lama's name!
JUST KIDDING!!!

Interesting stuff here.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 08:15 PM
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9. Did You Trip Over That Name You Dropped?
Considering all the places Kerry's been - the environmental conferences alone! - I'm sure he could drop quite a few names!

He did, after all, shake hands (possibly) with Jane Fonda!
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Shanty Oilish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:03 PM
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14. Far out
:hippie:
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:43 PM
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15. Well, It Is A Windsurfer Magazine...


Totally tubular, dude!
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