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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:51 AM
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Clintons' NAFTA will cause 500,000 additional unauthorized border crossings from Mexico in 2008!
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 12:00 PM by Dems Will Win

NAFTA caused much of the New Poor in Mexico

For those who don't know, the Clintons' NAFTA not only impoverished American farmers and textile workers and their families but also wiped out the Mexican corn-growing economy and the lives of 15 million people. About 5 million of those have illegally crossed into the US -- just because of NAFTA allowing cheap subsidized corn from the US into Mexico, dropping the corn price there 70%.

Next year NAFTA fully kicks in, meaning an additional 500,000 economic refugees that we ourselves caused. The former corn farmers and unemployed workers don't come because we are great, they come because the policies of both governments is starving their children.

And the Clintons pushed NAFTA through without the safeguards wanted by the Democrats. Remember Hillary chuckled and said it didn't work out the way we wanted!

NAFTA Will Boost Mexican Emigration to US



Mexico, Dec 16 (Prensa Latina) Mexican emigration to the United States will increase as of January 2008, when the tariffs on corn and beans will be lifted within the framework of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), expert Steve Suppan said on Saturday.

In statements to Prensa Latina, the experts from the Institute of Agricultural and Commercial Policies, based in Minneapolis, Minnesota, the United States, described rural migrations caused by NAFTA as the migration crisis that broke out in 1994, when the first NAFTA adjustments were made.

"There are many Mexican workers with little options and they resort to the hard march to the North seeking higher wages to help their families in their communities of origin," he noted.

Suppan noted that the situation will worsen as 300,000 farmers and 200,000 people from Mexican cities are expected to emigrate, due to the lack of development opportunities.

Experts are concerned at a forced economic exodus to the United States, a situation that will increase food insecurity in Mexico, he said.


The big economy will flood the small economy with its products and tragedy will mostly affect indigenous groups who had guarded their basic resources for humankind but are starving at present.

The governments of the United States, Canada and Mexico could renegotiate the NAFTA if they took into account the harm they are causing to the disposed, because only the big private consortiums will benefit instead of farmers and small businesspeople.


Suppan referred to the world campaign in favor of preserving food resources, especially corn, as a human right of economic use, and pointed out that the campaign could even be taken to the United Nations if there were political will.

http://www.plenglish.com:80/article.asp?ID=%7B1DB4A700-9AC6-4456-A056-AD159366BD31%7D&language=EN

Clinton Is New to Nafta Criticism, Obama Says


By Jeff Zeleny

MARION, Iowa — Senator Barack Obama is accusing Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of waiting until she was a presidential candidate to suggest that the North American Free Trade Agreement -– enacted during her husband’s administration -– was a mistake.

“I think it’s important to note that Senator Clinton was a cheerleader for Nafta for more than a decade. As of a year ago, she was calling it a boon to the economy,” Mr. Obama told reporters here today. “It seems to me that the only thing that has changed in the last year is that it’s now election time.”

Mr. Obama opened a two-day Iowa campaign swing in this city outside of Cedar Rapids. As he delivered his criticism, he glanced down to his printed notes, which rested on a podium.

“As some of you probably heard at the debate the other night, Senator Clinton called Nafta a mistake,” Mr. Obama said. “I was pleased to hear her say that because, as more than 10,000 jobless Iowans know, that’s exactly what Nafta has been.”


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/clinton-new-to-nafta-criticism-obama-says/


Please recommend so that more understand what NAFTA hath wrought...

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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:51 AM
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1. Its all Clinton's fault!
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:53 AM
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2. The Republicans and some Democrats helped
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 12:01 PM by Dems Will Win
Plus the Mexican government instituted NAFTA over 2 years instead of 15, but the fact remains Clinton should have vetoed that bill -- not signed it.

In fact Clinton unwisely pushed it through and then Hillary went all over touting NAFTA as a big success of her husband's.

So there's no way you can unhook Hillary and Bill from NAFTA. Nice try though....
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:56 AM
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5. Bill Clinton could have stopped it. He was President. And he was warned about it.
Can't say no one saw this coming.
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:09 PM
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15. Huh
I thought we had a Republican Congress during that term. Must have been mistaken. I was also under the impression that this was Poppy Bush's baby to begin with.
Of course, if the Clinton's (or any Democrat, it seems) were around during that time, it's obviously their fault.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:17 PM
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20. Um -- it's his signature on the bill, and Clinton ignored the unions, environmentalists, economists
and progressives who all warned of the consequences if he signed it without protections.

But Clinton signed it and Hillary touted it. It's the Clintons' NAFTA.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:28 PM
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31. 2nd.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:51 PM
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26. You know, I'm tired of Dems blaming Republicans for things they have power to change
Bill Clinton was President and he did NOT have to sign the bill they presented to him, but he did.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid do NOT have to cave to the GOP and Bush, but they do.



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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 01:09 PM
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27. Exactomundo!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:54 AM
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3. Bill's not running.
:shrug:
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:04 PM
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12. Yes but Hillary touted NAFTA as a Clinton Success all through the 1996 campaign
Called it a "boon to the economy" just last year! It is a boon if you are in agribusiness or a vendor to the border patrol agency.

Otherwise -- not so much.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:05 PM
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14. 1996 was 11 years ago, and Bill Clinton's not running.
:shrug:
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:13 PM
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18. You just can't trust the Clintons on NAFTA, Hillary and Bill made it
their amending of it would be weak and pathetic and all the problems would continue. She finally admitted it was a mistake only because she is running in a Democratic Primary.

Barack will fix it because NAFTA is seriously broke. Hillary -- who knows for sure?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:19 PM
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23. Bill's not running. 1996 was 11 years ago.
:shrug:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:18 PM
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21. Coulda fooled me
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:46 PM
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32. tell that to Hillary and her supporters...
she claims credit for balancing the budget even though she had NOTHING to do with it...she has been running on Bill's record in the white house...well she can't be selective with what parts of Bill's records she wants to claim...
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:55 AM
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4. Someone beat me to it! The Mexicans are the Clintons fault!
How *uckin original.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:56 AM
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6. while it made me mad that he signed it
I think it is dishonest to refer to NAFTA as "Clinton's" as he did not write the bill, and in fact Bush I had a similar agreement before Clinton gained the WH.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:56 AM
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7. FLAME BAIT!!!!!!
Alert sent!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:58 AM
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9. Why are historical FACTS suddenly flame bait around here?
What, DU is supposed to help with the dumbing down of the general population by censoring FACTS?

I thought that was the Right Wing's job.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:11 PM
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16. You talking about flamebait after the shit you posted the other night is fucking hilarious.
Can we send hypocrite alerts? :rofl:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:56 AM
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8. Scary to think, Ross Perot was correct about a few things.
NAFTA - the gift that keeps on taking.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:59 AM
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10. Havocmom, that is such a great line!
The gift that keeps on taking!
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:00 PM
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11. Or, as I like to call it, Gore's NAFTA.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:12 PM
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17. Yeah but you're a fool, so who cares what you call it?
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 12:13 PM by Forkboy
:eyes:
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:21 PM
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24. What a meanie. I was just joining in the game of "bash the Democrats."
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 12:22 PM by Perry Logan
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:33 PM
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25. What do mean join? You already do it all the time.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:05 PM
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13. Mexico has a corrupt government and has done nothing to
help it's own people. Now we blame everything on NAFTA. The European Union has a form of NAFTA and it has not hurt them. NAFTA has become a political football to put the blame of Mexican immigration on the Democrats. Is NAFTA a problem with Canada? Not that I know of.

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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:14 PM
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19. Actually NAFTA has been devastating to small farmers in Canada too!
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 12:14 PM by Dems Will Win
Canadian grain and dairy farmers also have struggled to survive as prices have fallen to record lows, with 11% of Canadian family farms forced into bankruptcy between 1996 and 2001

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:zjnTyXE4YjoJ:www.citizen.org/documents/NAFTA_10_ag.pdf+NAFTA+Canadian+farmers+hurt&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

It pays to Google.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:18 PM
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22. Polish plumbers
The European Union has a form of NAFTA and it has not hurt them.

Google for "Polish plumber" and ask yourself why Segolene Royal is out of a job right now.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:23 PM
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29. NAFTA is NOT the European Union...
The European Union has things like open borders for member states, a standardized legal framework, along with a semi-transparent process to address grievances, NAFTA has none of those things, or, if it does, its so limited it only applies to a small minority of people in any of our 3 nations.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:21 PM
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28. I seem to remember the GOP boasting about how THEY passed NAFTA
or is my memory failing me?
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:24 PM
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30. K&R
:kick:
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:53 PM
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33. Who recommends this crap?
Seriously, this is a bunch of Tancredoesque garbage.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:56 PM
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34. No it's not -- The point here is that the Mexican corn grower needs help
End the corn dumping from the US, spend about $500 million to help the Mexican farm families get back on the land, lower the unauthorized border crossings -- unless of course you think throwing all those people into poverty is a good thing.

We can fix this pretty easily.
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