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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:23 PM
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Exposing the Iowa Caucus Con
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20071226_exposing_the_iowa_caucus_con/

What if one of the candidate’s supporters was a city council member or some sort of commissioner? Couldn’t a commissioner, trying to switch a vote, mention to a caucus-goer: “You know that garage conversion permit you’re having trouble with? Don’t worry about it.” When I outlined this scenario to a prominent Democrat, she said it would be illegal. But, she added, it wouldn’t be illegal for the commissioner to remind the caucus-goer that he had taken care of the garage matter. People tell me about promises of lawn care, pet sitting, cookies and other goodies, big and small, being made during the vote-switching process.

The final tally from each caucus is based on a somewhat complex mathematical formula. Suppose that in a caucus of 100, Sen. Barack Obama got 49 votes, former Sen. John Edwards 32 and Sen. Hillary Clinton 19. The delegates would be distributed in this manner: Obama 5, Edwards 3, Clinton 1.

But as I pointed out earlier, the news you receive about the Democratic caucuses are not statewide totals, but just numbers of delegates sent to county conventions. It has no relation to actual support. In my mythical match, Obama’s five votes probably mean his organization did a better job in bringing people to the caucus.

I discussed my doubts with a sharp young journalist, Chase Martyn, managing editor of the Iowa Independent, one of the web sites established around the country by the Center for Independent Media to promote independent online journalism. The Independent has citizen journalists—also known as part-timers—filing reports on the caucuses around the state, and Martyn does his own reporting. So it is a plugged-in operation.

I told him I didn’t think much of the caucus system. He likes it. “It forces candidates to compete in a state where it doesn’t take a lot of money to win,” he said. Face-to-face meetings between Iowans and candidates, as reported by the national media, help the nation “pick a good nominee and president.”

But the caucuses aren’t democratic, I said. “Nobody would say they are democratic,’” Martyn replied. “The sense I get (from Iowans) is that “‘this is the game, these are the rules of the game and don’t argue about the rules in the middle of the game.”

But if political journalists explained the rules, the rest of America would know that the caucuses don’t mean much. They are a fraud, like the Wizard of Oz.

Such an explanation is tough. I have spent a career describing complex budget formulas, health care plans and water projects. This is one of the hardest processes I have ever had to explain. It took a long time, and now that I am done, I have no idea whether my editors or readers will know or care what I am talking about.

But the media should try to shed light on the process instead of helping Iowa keep this promotional device alive. Unmask the wizard, journalists, and set America free from the shackles of the Iowa caucuses.


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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:25 PM
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1. Would you continue to argue the Iowa caucuses are a con
if it still looked like Hillary was gonna win?
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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:26 PM
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3. umm did you see the last poll or 3 out of Iowa
It does look like Hillary is going to win. :)

And I still think the process is anti-democratic.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:26 PM
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2. Hillary might lose
Iowa's a fraud!!!!!!1!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:27 PM
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4. Oh, no, that can't happen. The ARG poll said so.
:rofl:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:44 PM
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10. oh right, my bad
;)
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:29 PM
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5. I love the sour grapes fromTeam Hillary
Looks like the marching orders are out for this week.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:35 PM
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6. What I would really like to know is who really, really (true names and...
identities) are the backers of Hillary here on DU? It would be interesting to drop the pseudo names and identify the real people and the real reasons for there convictions. Not holding my breath for that to happen though.... I am at a loss as to what the hell they see in Hillary thats of what we really need following the "George W Bush" Fiascal.
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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:37 PM
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7. lol
What do you think we are all on Hillary's payroll?
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:40 PM
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8. Stranger things have happened.... But thats not what I really think...
I certainly am curious as to what makes one support Hillary though... Sorry, i must be missing something here....
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:43 PM
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9. Real name
Hillary supporter. What else you want to know?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:12 PM
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11. You might enjoy this one from 04
"The Vanishing

If you liked the Florida recount, you'll love the Iowa caucuses".


http://www.slate.com/id/2094034/
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:10 AM
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16. This part is particularly repugnant....
If you're new in town, and the turnout in your precinct was lousy four years ago, your vote effectively counts less than it would have if you'd moved to a high-turnout precinct. Second, if your group is bigger than another group in the room, that doesn't guarantee you'll get more delegates. Let's say the chair has six delegates to distribute, and there are four viable groups. That leaves two extra delegates, which will probably go to the two biggest groups. If you're in the third-biggest group, and you've got more people than the fourth group does, tough luck. You each get a delegate, and that's that.

:puke:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:24 AM
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12. Unbelievable.. she's floundering, so now Iowa is a Con. There is absolutely NOTHING
that HRC or her supporters or her surrogates will not say or do or imply or smear to stay in power. It's not going to happen. People have had enough. Enough. Enough. Enough already.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:32 AM
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13. ...
Hillary, Obama, or Edwards winning will not change the fact that this is an undemocratic process. Though congratulations to whomever wins.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:47 AM
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14. I think the caucuses are a great idea.
Allegations of bribery need to be dealt with as the occur at various caucuses, but on the whole i love the idea. God forbid we as a society should have to stand up for our choice and participate in an intellectual dialogue with their peers. God forbid we give people the option to have a second choice. Plus we don't have to worry about diebold, do we? I wish the whole country had caucuses.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:22 AM
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17. That's great, but the way the delegates are distributed in undemocratic
I understand the benefit of standing up and having and intellectual dialogue, but when the votes are counted the votes should be counted...democratically.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:15 AM
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19. I'm afraid I'm kinda confused here.
How do you mean by "undemocratic"?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:31 AM
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18. I like it for the same reasons.
Its more participatory than pulling a lever alone in a booth. People are empowered and engaged through the process of voting in a caucus. No so with traditional methods.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:06 AM
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15. I agree with you Herman. They should be replaced with a primary.
He likes it. “It forces candidates to compete in a state where it doesn’t take a lot of money to win,” he said. Face-to-face meetings between Iowans and candidates, as reported by the national media, help the nation “pick a good nominee and president.”

Well, all fine and good, but a primary would also force candidates to do all of that (assuming Iowa's primary were still first).

Personally, I think the primary dates should be chosen randomly each year.

For what it's worth, I think Hillary is probably going to win Iowa, partly because the caucus system seems to favor the establishment candidate. I think Obama has a better shot in NH with the open primary there, even if Clinton prevails in Iowa.
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