I say that those who vote for Nader in 2004 are flat out idiots!!!!

[trumad]

And whata ya going to do about it!? Your canidate is an oppostition canidate trying to beat my Democratic canidate. It feels great to say this on Democratic Underground! Come on...let's hear you brag about supporting Nader in Election 2004! Come on Nader lovers... Let's hear you support old Ralph here on DU and let's see you do it consistantly!

OH that's right...YOU CANT! It's against the rules... Poor Baby...

[mdmc]

1. isn't this against the rules?

still?

[redqueen]

16. No

Nader voters are like white people.

You can insult them with impunity.

[mdmc]

17. lol

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1150859

[trumad]

47. Just doing as I was told.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=120x14006

[mdmc]

53. I see

well, PARTY ON!

[Snivi Yllom]

43. LOL

now that was funny

And DU continues the looooooooooooooooooong spiral doooooooooowwwwwwwn.

LOL

[jpgray]

2. If you're a progressive, Nader shouldn't pass muster. (nt)

[redqueen]

3. I love Nader

And if he gets on the ballot here, I'm voting for him if Kucinich isn't on the ticket.


Drama drama drama!

:eyes:

[jpgray]

5. Well, since he invests in Halliburton, Raytheon and General Dynamics

You can support the war by supporting Nader! Whee!

[redqueen]

7. What percentage of those earnings does he keep

and what percentage goes to groups like Public Citizen?

:eyes:

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. You mean the same Pubic Citizen

that is removing Nader from the Header?

Oh yes, by the way did you know the GOP did run adds for Nader in 2000?

Anwer that, I really want you too

And I may add, I doubt Dennis would aprove of his followers voting for a third party looser, after all, voting for Nader is voting for Bush... so why not just avoid the embarrasment and pull that lever for George? You are anyhow...

[RandomKoolzip]

14. Look at his contributors...

you'll see names like Raytheon and Golman-Sachs on the list.....

Nader is an agent provocateur, and if you vote for him, you are doing EXACTLY what Bush and Cheney and Rove WANT you to do. How does that feel?

[BeyondGeography]

6. If you live in a state that will be contested

Dennis would probably say you're doing the wrong thing.

[redqueen]

9. I live in Texas

Hence my 'drama drama drama' comment.

I swear I'm starting to think this board is populated by the most shortsighted, kneejerking, most easily manipulated...

:grr:

[Desertrose]

23. gee redqueen...I noticed that too....

seems to me there are better ways to get folks to vote or not vote for a candidate...think its called "reason"

sure does feel like a full out temper tantrum to me...yeah, that always makes folks want to hear more from ya...more wah-ing and footstamping though...and the face...needs a bit more red & some bulging veins to get the full effect.....
:eyes:


DR

[RandomKoolzip]

25. Yeah, it's not like this is important or anything...

:eyes:

[Desertrose]

33. if it is so important, then all the more

reason to come at it in a rational manner and not go freaking out .

we can make it so important we lose our focus on getting a good candidate the Dems can vote for or we can focus on all our fears ( real or imagined) about Ralph.....its just another choice in how we want to approach things.

:shrug:
DR

[BeyondGeography]

26. It was all so clear...

Anyway, Ralphie needs 64,000 signatures in Texas by May 13 if he's to be on the ballot there. You should get to work.

[mobuto]

24. Even if you live in a state that will not be contested

Dennis will say you're doing the wrong thing. Kucinich says he will give his full support to whomever wins the Democratic nomination - not to any third-party spoiler.

[trumad]

40. Well that's fine...

but you best now come into DU spouting his shit!

[T Roosevelt]

4. Boy you are just ASKING for it, aren't you?

And I agree BTW...

[trumad]

41. Gloves are off T

and howya been?

[RandomKoolzip]

8. Hear fuckin' hear!!

I've spent the last two days trying to knock a whole in the wall so that these Nadir-backers could see the light, but you can't reach 'em. Everytime I try to tell a Nadir fan that he/she is fucking up MY future and MY FAMILY'S future just so that they can preen and strut in all their libber-than-thou glory, I get them telling me things like, "too bad. You guys didn't want Dean, so nyah nyah nyah. Woof woof blah blah, special interests follow blindly, Kerry is an enabler, etc, etc." It's like they're all reading from the same flyer!
And the most ironic part is that not only did I vote for Nadir in 2000, I also was a HUGE Dean supporter who contributed to his campaign!! You'd think that the voice of some experience would count for something, but no....I learned from my mistakes, just like in 05, these guys are definitely going to learn the hard way that the mandirinate is not the electorate.

BUSH WANTS ARMAGEDDON, and he WILL go to great lengths to bring about the "end times." If you REALLY think that four years under Kerry would be as bad as that, man....you really need to set your priorities in order; I'm sorry.

Third Party Vote in 04 = Bush Presidency in 05.


I want to hear them, in 2007, when we're all being herded into boxcars, STILL tell me that there's no difference between the two major parties.

[bowens43]

59. Your argument is ridiculous.

If bush wins the election, it won't be because some people voted for Nader, it will be because many more people voted for bush. Put the blame where it belongs, on those who vote for bush.

[MadHound]

10. Must be nice living in a herd

Just relying on the groupthink to take care of your higher mental functions:eyes:

[redqueen]

11. It is

Much less work for the gray matter.

Much more time to spend stirring the pot and ranting like a loon.

[jpgray]

22. You support one who invests in the nation's most horrible corporations

At the same time this fellow lambasts other politicians for doing the same thing. Your avatar is a far better man than Ralph, and I cannot believe anyone who does the research on this vulture of idealists would give him two minutes of time or two dollars of money. Truly, he is the most shameless of hypocrites. You want the info on him? Go to this thread, and in the future RESEARCH the people you choose to support. I'll kick it since it seems most Nader supporters have not even looked at his financial records and parsed them with his statements. Unbelievable.

[Iverson]

37. insufficient denunciation = support

Burn them witches!

[jpgray]

39. Retreating to the one-liners already? :-) (nt)

[RandomKoolzip]

19. It's funny how the DUers who pride themselves on their non-allegiance to

"group-think," following the herd," "following blindly," etc. are the ones who are actually doing exactly what Bush wants the rest of us to do.

[MadHound]

30. LOL bub, you have no clue about me!

Oh I know perfectly well of where I speak, for I too was part of the Dem herd for years and decades, hell I even voted for Gore in '00, (with proper application of a noseclip). However watching the corporate corruption of BOTH parties turned me off to the Democratic party for a long time, if not ever. And don't give me that bull about changing the party from within, been there, done that, and the party is still shaking it's moneymaker out on Wall Street.

No, now I'm going to simply work for the rise of a third party that takes no corporate cash, and hence is only answerable to the voters. It is a long term goal, thus the work has to start now. If you don't like that, TS, I have a thick skin and the protests of the rabid horde don't bother me.

But hey, when the Dems sell out your job, your enviroment, and your very soul for their thirty pieces of corporate silver, there will be a place where you can find haven. Remember that, because it is more than the Dems will give out.

[RandomKoolzip]

44. Nor do you know about me.

I'm a former Green. I voted for Nadir in 2000, and what did that get me? Oh, yeah, a big stinkin' pile of Bush-shit.

I advocate voting Green in local elections this year, but not this general election, not with the stakes this high. There's too much to lose this year. Kerry, indeed, is not the savior (neither is Ralph, but that's a whole 'nother thread.) but he WILL make it a whole lot less scary to open the newspaper everyday. And while the nation rights itself and moves back to the center, then we can all work together on overhauling the system. All I ask of the Nader backers here is to understand that this election is too crucial to lob protest votes over the fence. Four more years of Bush will mean terrible things for this country and I see no evidence that John Kerry will be anywhere NEAR as bad.

Yes, the corporate state needs to be dismantled. Yes, Kerry's not perfect. But Bush NEEDS TO GO, and right now, Kerry (or Edwards) has the only shot to do that.

[Old and In the Way]

48. So what keeps you here?

Giving the collective board "the finger" makes me wonder why you bother posting your elitist BS here. Surely, you are too smart to waste time on a herd of groupthinkers? :eyes:

[bowens43]

60. Bush wants people to think for themselves?

I never would have guessed.

[John_H]

65. Bush wants you to vote for him or ralph, either one.

[ButterflyBlood]

12. right on!

n/t

[A J]

13. I would call them selfish

I lost a job because of Bush, as well as money for school.

Voting for Nader is selfish, it undermines liberal efforts, it sets our country back, and it is not what progress is about.

[fishnfla]

15. nader and his supporters can kiss my ass

i'd like to see a list of nader supporters here at DU. know thy enemy

[bowens43]

61. Good idea!

Then maybe we can tattoo numbers on their arms so that we can round them up and heard them in to the gas chambers later....

[fishnfla]

63. No, I'd just like to tell 'em to fuck off.

all at once

[no name no slogan]

20. Keep talking

if Democrats stay as fixated on Nader as they are now, they'll get their asses whooped by ShrubCo again.

Attacking Nader only makes him more visible and STRONGER. Acknowledge his presense, sure, but don't wet your pants over it.

Geez. Get a grip already.

[mobuto]

27. Fixated? Contemptuous is the word

If Nader stays in the raace, we may get our asses whooed by him and "ShrubCo" - and that's why we're pissed. He's a spoiler.

[Desertrose]

28. amen & good point....

I was thinking this earlier...if the dems freakout & "feed" the whole Nader thing with their fears....yup.....right into Rove's hands...

A tip for all of us....focus on what you WANT to happen...not what you DON"T want to happen...

DUH

DR

[trumad]

46. Nope

Rove, Delay, Bush, Cheney... and Ralph... I plan on napalming these fools every chnace I get until November 4th 2004. Get used to it!

[tedoll78]

21. I'd be interested..

in seeing statistics on IQ tests related to this..

[mobuto]

29. The average Nader supporter

is a slack-jawed loon with a sloping brow, according to scientists at the "Max Planck Institute For Fluid Dynamics", a bar in Skokie, Illinois.

[The Magistrate]

52. Though Your Source Is Questionable, Old Friend

The proposition those who speak well of Wrecker Nader possess a superior wattage of brain-power is not a supportable one....

"Kill one, warn one hundred."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. I Q Is Overrated....

On this I'll defer to George Orwell who opined "that some ideas are so bizzare only an intellectual could believe them"

One of those ideas is that there is no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans...

[ulysses]

31. how are those gloves holding up?

:evilgrin:

[mvd]

32. I believe Nader is in it for Nader only

Too bad, because he used to do some good. He can't even stick to the Green party. But are his supporters idiots? I believe that most Nader supporters are manipulated, just like many Republican voters are. Idiots is a strong word, though. I don't see a third party vote as a bad thing as long as those voters don't complain too much about having to live with Bush, but I personally can't see the Nader fixation.

[trumad]

38. If this was a thread about bush instead of Nader

there would be a number of tombstones right now. I see no difference with those who support Nader. You support a canidate who wants to beat my Democratic canidate then I say tombstone your ass!

[fishnfla]

50. they've got their own candidate

they should get their own forum. fuck the fucking fuckers!

[mvd]

51. I am glad that DU's rules are changing

I will not want to see a lot of attacks on our nominee here. It's only because I'm quite liberal that I don't see Nader supporters equaling Bush supporters. But I am certainly no Nader admirer.

[slackdude]

35. All 3 of them? n/t

[AmyStrange]

36. You could say the same thing about those voting for Kerry...

A vote for Kerry as the nominee is a vote for Bush in Nov, UNLESS he picks Edwards as his running mate, and even then it will still be real close. You'll see I'm right in November...

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[BL_Zebub]

42. I say those who vote for Kerry in the Primary

Have no idea of what it means to be a Demoncrat.

Don't like that? Open wide and let me ram it down your throat with a pitchfork like you DLC droids have been doing to everyone for the last week. :grr:

[mobuto]

45. DLC droids?

Despise Kerry all you want now. Vote for Dennis Kucinich or Bielzebub or whomever, but when it comes time for the General, vote Bush back to Crawford by voting Democratic - regardless of the candidate.

[Snivi Yllom]

49. why not poopy heads?

c'mon...you can do better than idiots.

lol

[legin]

54. It is getting quite obvious to me now

that the way that the Democratic Party intend to keep their left attached is by a policy of intimadation, insults, moral blackmail and just plain bullying, let's be honest you couldn't do it by fucking policy decisions that's for sure.

You keep this up current tack and I am going to take out American Citizanship just so i can vote for Nader just to get your back up.

And next time i'm not a 'flat out idiot', I'm a 'Dumb Goof' we have a completly different platform.

[legin]

56. And Nader is running anyway

because basically the Democratic Party is too fucking incompetent to make the right fucking decisions, as it has been for the last 2 and a half years.

[sangh0]

55. You are too kind

WEll, at least you're kinder than I would be

[buddhamama]

57. what a big big man you are, Trumad.

you might want to actually seek out a Poor Baby,
you know, someone more your size.

[trumad]

58. What's your point Pal!

What you disagree... What, you think Nader and his supporters are off limits? Fat chance Pal!

[buddhamama]

62. you're funny

it's really hard to take you seriously, Pal.

hey, i meant to ask you before is that your baby picture?

[bowens43]

64. Any idea how foolish you look?

[Name removed]

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[YNGW]

67. Go Ahead!

Nothing like throwing gasoline on a fire. Good chance it'll only cause Nader supporters to dig in their heels even deeper. Basically you just said you don't want them and don't need them in 2004, which they likely feel the same way. After the election would be a good time to ponder whether the party needs to split into two separate parties; one moderate and one liberal. Until then, we'll let the candidates slug it out and let the chips fall where they may.

[trumad]

69. That's the same shit I've been hearing the last 3 years!

Nader Supporters couldn't fucking care less about this Country and the direction it's heading in. If they did they wouldn't prop up Ralph the Ego-Maniac! Ohhhhh please, please don't hurt the Nader Lovers cause we need may need them.... I say if they're fence sitting between Nader and an actual shot of beating George Fucking Bush then they're idiots!
Whhhaaaa ...is it their protest VOTE?! Oh...I can't vote for a Dem like Kerry cause he's Repub-lite! Cute Huh...

Same FFFing reasoning as in 2000.... Look around Nader lovers...see what the repukes have wrought! What?...you can sleep better at night because you er stood up for your supposed Liberal principals because you voted for the Independent Nader. Barf! How you going to sleep in the next couple of years if Bush gets the Nod with a little bit of your help? How you going to sleep as you see Roe/Wade overturned by a newly formed Supreme Court....How you going to sleep as you see the expansion of the Patriot Act!!!!

How you going to sleep as you see more War dead coming home in body bags...body bags being sent home from Iran and Syria!!!!!!! How you going to sleep with the nightmares of your Children living in a Country that defaulted on their loans and goes spiraling into Depression!!!!!!! How you going to sleep at night with Alaska is being paved into a parking lot for big oil!!!!!!

OH but you sleep well tonight Nader Lovers knowing that you taught us Dems a lesson by voting for Ralph Fucking Nader!

[Piperay]

68. I agree...

completely.

[CityDem]

70. I live in a state where the 2000 election was very close

And after watching Nader on MTP yesterday, I will vote for Nader 2004. Only Howard Dean has come close to inspiring me like Nader did when talking about the special interests taking over the democratic party. John Kerry -- he is part of the establishment and I cannot plug my nose and vote for this guy when Nader is on the ballot. And if Bush is re-elected, so be it. Until the dem party starts nominating progressive candidates, we can expect third party challengers.

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