John Edwards:"I have been in contact daily with Gov. Dean"

[Cuban_Liberal]

Just heard it on Inside Politics. The senator said that he has been talking to Dr. Dean daily, and that his staff and the Dean staff have also been 'deeply involved' in discussions about states like MN, CA, OH, etc. .

This may be HUGE news. :)

[StopTheMorans]

1. one can only hope

n/t

[StopTheMorans]

2. one can only hope

n/t

[AntiCoup2K4]

3. Interesting.......

....I'm not happy about Edward's voting record but he's not a complete whore like Kerry. Stay tuned for further developments, I guess :shrug:

[robbedvoter]

16. Oh, yeah? How about this?

He not only voted for the Patriot act, but authored it . He is proud enough of that to include this embarrassing exchange in his literature:

Patriot Act is being abused by the Attorney General
Q: The PATRIOT Act is two years old. There has been criticism of John Ashcroft for enforcement of legislation you authored. Shouldn't those who wrote the legislation take responsibility?
EDWARDS: There are provisions, which get no attention, which did good things. The reason we need changes is because it gave too much discretion to an attorney general who does not deserve it. The attorney general told us that he would not abuse his discretion. He has abused his discretion. We know that now.
Source: Democratic Presidential 2004 Primary Debate in Detroit Oct 27, 2003
http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Edwards_Civil_Rights.htm

Also, in his Senate press relase he bragged:

http://edwards.senate.gov/press/2001/oct26-pr.html
October 26, 2001

"This will strengthen our nation's ability to prevent future terrorist attacks," said Senator John Edwards, who worked on the legislation as a member of the Judiciary Committee and the Select Committee on Intelligence.
And if you missed TIPS, Edwards will bring it back for you:
 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Jan04/Ireland0129.htm
And while Edwards, when campaigning, bashes John Ashcroft for assaults on civil liberties, his pamphlet boasts that he'd "create thousands of neighborhood watch groups by 2007," which sounds suspiciously akin to Ashcroft's infamous TIPS program of setting citizen to spy on citizen.
and finally, he thinks that WMD or not, the war in Iraq was somehow justified by 9.11:
Debate
"Can I just go back a moment ago -- to a question you asked just a moment ago? You asked, I believe, Senator Kerry earlier whether there's an exaggeration of the threat of the war on terrorism.
"It's just hard for me to see how you can say there's an exaggeration when thousands of people lost their lives on September the 11th."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/transcripts/debatetranscript29.html

[citizen snips]

4. Dean supporters already voicing their support for Edwards on this site.

http://www.deaniacsforedwards.com

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

120. that was quick

The campaigns should just buy the KangForKodos.com names in advance.

To put it all in perspective, this is interesting...

Q And the poverty problem?

PRESIDENT BUSH: And the poverty problem -- listen, this nation is committed to dealing with poverty. First, let me make it very clear, poor people aren't necessarily killers. Just because you happen to be not rich doesn't mean you're willing to kill. And so it's important to understand -- people are susceptible to the requirement by these extremists, but I refuse to put a -- put killers into a demographic category based upon income. After all, a lot of the top al Qaeda people were comfortable middle-class citizens. And so one of the things you've got to do is to make sure we distinguish between hate and poverty.

http://www.sigma7.net/mt/archives/000126.html

[EXE619K]

5. I don't know about other states but....

here in Minnesota, Dean still has a HUGE following...even after his withdrawl.

I'm not sure how many will go to Edwards though.

But, during the last Meet-Up, lot of people were speaking well about Big Ed.

It might be good news for you guys.

edit: this cordless keyboard sucks!

[Cuban_Liberal]

6. We won't forget it, if it comes to pass.

The senator's a decent man, just like Dr. Dean--- they keep their word when they give it. Lets hope...:toast:

[Goldberg]

7. Here in Morris, MN...

people are turning away from Dean and heading towards Edwards. (I'm partly to blame. :))

[EXE619K]

9. Icannot speak for the other counties but....

here in the Twin Cities area, Just about all Dean supporters are still voting for Dean in the primary cycle.

Like I said, this COULD be good news for Edwards people if, Dean actively endorses Edwards.

[Cuban_Liberal]

10. Here in IL, too.

We've experienced a big influx of Dean supporters. As one told me, "I'm not thrilled with Edwards, but I think he's honest and he's NOT John Kerry!". :evilgrin:

[IndianaGreen]

12. Shame on you for turning Dean supporters into Edwards supporters!

Keep up the good work!

:)

[Cuban_Liberal]

35. I count each Dean supporter as a separate honor.

:)

[indigo32]

17. This MN dweller has decided to go to Kucinich

for the primaries. I love the Dr and all he stands for, but it's just a move I feel I need to make at this point. Edwards is OK, but if I did move to vote for him, it would be on a strategic basis only. I'll be watching.

[JI7]

8. i think it's a matter of time

when dean will endorse edwards. it is good news for edwards in terms of fundraising. dean can ask all his supporters to donate to edwards giving him a boost in spending for campaigning in some states. the letter asking nader not to run adds in to dean supporting edwards.

[Cuban_Liberal]

13. I agree.

The Doctor's fundraising apparatus could be VERY helpful, especially if Sen. Kerry fails to knock us out 3/2. If he doesn't absolutely bury us then, this will likely become an extended battle that could easily stretch into mid-April. money will be crucial. :)

[jpgpenn]

11. 2 weak candidates don't make a whole viable candidate!

Last thing America needs at this time is the blind leading the blind!

[Cuban_Liberal]

14. you wish.

Sen. edwards is not a weak candidate, but keep telling yourself he is--- it'll make it that much easier to blind-side your guy.

[jpgpenn]

19. more like, "YOU wish"!

[Cuban_Liberal]

21. Heh.,

We'll see, won't we? :evilgrin:

[EXE619K]

30. Well, whatever happened to Clark...

The "Outsider"?

It seems to me that he handed-in his "outsider" credantials faster than one could say...."VP spot for the Insider"!

:D

[Jai4WKC08]

57. Hard as this may be to believe

For those who only believe what they want to...

Kerry and Edwards are BOTH insiders. You know, that whole Senate thing?

The only thing Clark turned in his outsider status for was to
Get Bush out of the White House.

Gee, I remember when that sort of mattered around here. That, and not getting into wars in Iraq. Neither seems to carry much weight with former Deaniacs who just hate John Kerry so much they've lost sight of the ultimate objective.

"If Hitler were to invade Hell, I would find occasion to make a favorable reference to the devil." --Winston Churchill

[Cuban_Liberal]

76. Hve you ever wondered WHY those Dean supporters loathe Kerry?

You might want to ponder that one for a bit...

[Jai4WKC08]

90. Who to loathe more?

To be honest, I have no idea why. Oh, I've heard some of it, around here, I think. To tell the truth, I didn't pay much attention. I was always more pro-Clark than anti-anybody-else. But I can probably imagine, unless there's something deeper of which I'm totally unaware.

As I posted elsewhere, Kerry certainly pulled his share of dirty tricks against us. As did Edwards.

But I could never loathe either of them as much as I loathe Bush. Sending him back to Crawford has to be my first priority. I truly believe Edwards can't do it. I know I could be wrong, but I'm certain enough to do what I can to see that my belief never gets tested.

I must say, it's hard for me to understand the Dean supporters who SEEM to hate Kerry so much that they don't seem to care that Edwards is 180 degrees out from many of Dean's core positions (like Iraq). Fwiw, I don't understand Dean flipping on that one either, but he hasn't actually endorsed Edwards yet. Perhaps he will, but I'll reserve judgement until it happens. At least Clark was never that far from Kerry on the issues, only on qualifications.

I kind of hate to see Kerry having to eat up the money that should be saved for the fight against Bush, but I'm pretty much reconciled that it can't be helped. Democracy and all that. Would that we could have had a little more of it before now.

[jenk]

22. his guy was already blindsided

remember clark?




nah, I don't either.

[Jai4WKC08]

29. Strength in a Democratic primary

Just doesn't translate to strength in the general election.

Don't know why that's such a difficult concept to grasp.

[Cuban_Liberal]

33. It's not difficult.

But there's no proof that Kerry WOULDbe, or that Edwards would NOT be, 8 1/2 months out from the GE...

[Jai4WKC08]

63. No, no "proof"

There can be no proof until after the election in November. But you're betting with pretty high stakes. As am I, I'll grant you.

But if you think Bush isn't gonna run on his foreign policy team and "keeping America safe" from terrorists, you've lost it entirely. If you don't think he has "Osama in a box" or some other October surprise, you're doubly duped.

We Democrats may care more about jobs and healthcare, we may see Iraq and unilateralism as a fatal weakness, but that doesn't mean the whole electorate will. Someone has to be able to stand up and say, I could have done better. I can do better tomorrow. Edwards hasn't got the chops.

Obviously, Kerry isn't exactly my first choice either. But he's got a lot more going for him than one partial senate term and a career of personal injury lawsuits.

[Cuban_Liberal]

64. We'll see, I guess.

:)

[boxster]

61. Depends on your definition of "weak".

He's 40% behind in the polls in NY and CA and behind in most polls that have been released re: Super Tuesday. If your idea of a strong candidate is someone who ends up the runner-up to the nomination, then Edwards might be indeed be strong.

[Cuban_Liberal]

62. Last time I looked, we didn't have a nominee...

We shall see what we shall see... :)

[boxster]

70. I didn't say that we did.

I questioned your assertion that Edwards is a strong candidate. At this point in time, there is very little evidence to back that assertion.

[Cuban_Liberal]

74. At this point in time, there's very little evidence of anything.

We've chosen 25% of the delegates, and the 'strong' candidate hasn't even amassed 1/2 of those. It's a long way from being over, and far too soon to call anyone 'strong' or 'weak'...

[boxster]

86. Wrong.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/

Kerry has 695 delegates.

The rest of the field has 458.

By my math, that's 60%.

Unpledged: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/scorecard/unpledged.html

Kerry has nearly 2/3rd of those.

If you think Kerry isn't a strong candidate, you're not paying attention to the results. Or in denial. Take your pick.

[Cuban_Liberal]

91. Counts 'super deelegates' (PLEO's), who are 'uncommitted'

Count again, because PLEO delegates are uncommitted, NOT 'pledged'...

[boxster]

92. Count what? The totals are at the top.

Did you even read my post? I provided you with links to both pledged and uncommitted totals.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/scorecard/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/scorecard/unpledged.html

Edit: Ok, now where are your links proving otherwise?

[boxster]

95. *crickets chirping*

Well?

[GodHelpUsAll2]

114. Well now isn't that an interesting comment

[boxster]

123. I'd agree.

Though, I have to give some people credit - perpetual optimism is certainly an admirable trait.

[AP]

15. If the definition of a viable candidate is viability....

....well, look out for Edwards.

[jpgpenn]

23. "look out", why?

Edwards might somehow create another heartfelt story of being something he's not?

[jenk]

20. you're one to talk

calling edwards a weak candidate? what was clark then? Edwards stomped a mudhole in him.

something has to be said for Edwards making it this far. He's done a great job.

[jpgpenn]

34. LOL, keep believing your own horseshit!

The rest of us know better!

[Cuban_Liberal]

36. Your track record in picking candidates isn't so great...

.. if your avatar is to be believed.

[jpgpenn]

40. WOW, Really?

I say most would laugh at your assumption!

[Cuban_Liberal]

41. I don't hear any laughter.

You were a Clark supporter, and his campaign is where? Can we say 'over'?

[jenk]

42. it was over after Iowa

though nobody told him

[Cuban_Liberal]

46. Probably because the great strategic thinker didn't think IA mattered.

:P

[jenk]

50. lol

ah but don't forget his heroic 3rd place victory over Edwards in NH, with Edwards coming back from a 20 point deficit in a matter of days, Clark really crushed him right???

why oh why didn't they give him more media coverage after all those blown leads across the country?

[boxster]

59. Too funny.

Hmm, a former(?) Dean supporter questioning the strategy of another candidate. That is truly hilarious.

Hey, at least he didn't blow $50 million of his supporters' money and have nothing to show for it, like your *former* candidate.

[spooky3]

69. I believe Cuban has had Edwards #1, Dean #2 for as long

as I have been here (last summer).

[Cuban_Liberal]

72. You are correct.

:)

[boxster]

78. Ok, so what about this post?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=123014

If you've been an Edwards supporter since "last summer", why the sudden change of heart barely a month ago?

Regardless, my point was that I find it interesting that *anyone* who supports Dean would question anyone else's strategy. His strategy was an abysmal failure, arguably worse than Clark's decision to skip IA.

[boxster]

75. I stand corrected. How about "other candidate"?

Is that better?

[Cuban_Liberal]

77. Better, but still irrelevant.

I didn't have any part in those decisions. MY candidate is solvent, and always has been. :)

[boxster]

79. Whether or not you had any part in the decisions would be irrelevant.

How many DU Clark supporters do you suppose were involved in his decision to skip Iowa?

[Cuban_Liberal]

80. Thanks for proving my point

The decisions the Dean campaign took had NOTHING to do with me, an Edwards supporter.

[boxster]

83. For what? A month?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=388169&mesg_id=388780&page=

[Cuban_Liberal]

84. WTF do you mean?

You've TOTALLY lost me. :wtf:

[boxster]

88. Read the post.

As of 1/16/04, you claimed to be "uncommitted". Yet, now you're saying that you've been a solid Edwards supporter since the other poster's claim of "last summer".

Which is it?

[Cuban_Liberal]

89. Ok, that's clear.

I was officially 'uncommitted' until then, but I've 'leaned' toward Edwards since late last fall. Still, what does that have to do with the Dean campaign and $50 million? THAT'S what I still don't understand...

[boxster]

93. Clark's strategy

I was pretty clear on it before. I find it strange that anyone who *seemed* to be supporting Dean (apparently not, regardless of the Dean avatar in your sig line) would deride another candidate's strategy, because Dean's was undoubtedly the worst. Obviously, if you weren't a Dean supporter, it's irrelevant.

[seaglass]

130. Interesting n/t

[robbedvoter]

25. Wartime preznit crowned at ground zero must love this!

The whole AWOL, Iraq lies, 9.11 liability - off the table. Congratulations, guys!
I thought you were for dean because of what he was saying he was for. Now I see ot's that power thingy.

[Cuban_Liberal]

28. Maybe it's become a 'not Kerry' thing, partly.

I don't completely understand the antagonism between Kerry supporters and Dean supporters (real world, not here), but it is VERY real.

[seaglass]

131. You should understand it, you participated in it. n/t

[lojasmo]

26. Ha

One weak (morally) candidate doesn't make a whole viable candidate either. thanks for the civic lesson, though.

[BL_Zebub]

73. Watch who you're calling blind.

Look who your candidate sold out to, after all. I used to respect General Clark a great deal.

[jenk]

18. keep yer fingers crossed : )

:)

[Cuban_Liberal]

24. I liked Dr. Dean even BEFORE all of this stuff.

I would be so incredibly honored to receive his endorsement! :)

[disenfranchised]

27. If he endorses do we get his superdelegates?

[janx]

31. ...

[mzmolly]

47. ROTFLMAO!

Thar's a keeper...

[Cuban_Liberal]

32. Not for certain.

It is likely, however, that they would respect Dr. Dean's wishes, I would think.

[GreenPartyVoter]

37. Arre you suggesting there's an Edwards/Dean possibility?

[slinkerwink]

38. oh really?

[Cuban_Liberal]

39. Really.

We'd love to have his endorsement, and such committed supporters as yourself. :)

[EXE619K]

45. Sorry C_L...

I like ya and all but...

I'll be voting for Dean in the primaries.

But, I won't discourage others from making their own decisions.

[Cuban_Liberal]

48. That's an honest answer.

NP, Peace. :hi:

[SangamonTaylor]

43. I was a 2003 Dean supporter and I feel like the two share similar values

After going to a Dean rally last fall, here in Houston, I was quite impressed by the number of people who were so supportive of Dean. He did an amazing job of getting Democrats all across the country to start talking and 'meeting up'.

After reading Four Trials, I felt that I was most compelled by John Edwards, but Dean had remained my number 2 candidate. After Iowa I was sickened by the media's portrayal of Dean and thought it was rather unjust.

If Dean truly wants to change the Democratic party for the better, an alliance along the lines of Edwards/Dean would be great for both candidates!

[spooky3]

71. I agree, and I think both have an emotional pull to which

some of us respond in the same ways. Underdog spirit, perhaps.

[mzmolly]

44. I'd love to see Dean on the ticket!

:toast:

[Cuban_Liberal]

49. I've ALWAYS liked Dr. Dean.

He's a man of principle and vision. :toast:

[janx]

51. You really have, CL.

You've been great about that.

[Cuban_Liberal]

52. Thank you! It's easy to be 'great' about someone like Dr. Dean!

:toast:

[NoPasaran]

53. Speaking only for myself

The support of this Dean supporter is NOT TRANSFERABLE in the primary.

Come November, I'll be a good ham sandwich Democrat.

[Cuban_Liberal]

54. That's fine!

I have no problem with principled primary votes. :toast:

[Cheswick2.0]

55. no matter what happens I am voting for Dean in my primary

the carrot of needing Dean delegates to beat Kerry is what is motivating Edwards. I hope they work something out.

[Cuban_Liberal]

56. So do I.

As I said above, I have no quarrel with a principled primary vote. I truly think that Dr. Dean and Sen. Edwards are very close on many issues, and are probably 'working something out' as we spoeak. Sure sounds that way, any way. :hi:

[jansu]

58. Me too!

Dean has asked us to vote for him in our Primary and I will. Give him all the delegates we can, so that we have a voice at the convention!

[Cuban_Liberal]

60. Straight-up question (no punches)

What if Dr. Dean himself asked you to vote for Sen. Edwards, because he (Dr. Dean) believed that it would be the best way to help the movement? Would you do it?

:hi:

[jansu]

126. I am not a person who falls into lock step,

but, I would take a close look at the candidate that Gov. Dean supported. If after that, I could in good concious support that person, I would, both with my writing, my on the ground work, my money...everything I have to get that person the nomination! So, you better be asking your candidate to continue or start the talks with Gov. Dean, it needs to be way before March 2nd for my vote to do your candidate any good, since many places here have absentee ballots, through no choice of our own.

After thinking more on this:

So the short answer is YES! Because I do trust Gov. Dean to have a better and more indepth knowledge of all the issues, than I do.

[jansu]

129. Since I trust Dean to be President, I trust him to choose who best to back

He has a greater, broader knowledge of all the issues than I have. It's about trust! So, if Gov. Dean asks me to support Sen. Edwards, I would do so whole heartedly, with my postings, my time and my money!

I answered early, but after thinking about it, Yes, I would, is the short answer!

[Kahuna]

65. Just setting yourselves up for heartache again...

:evilgrin:

[Cuban_Liberal]

66. I wouldn't bet the rent on that just yet.

:evilgrin:

[spooky3]

67. I hope they can work out a good relationship.

Both of them are so good for the party.

[Cuban_Liberal]

68. I get the sense that they genuinely like each other.

:)

[LizW]

81. Just a little red flag, here

I'm not so all fired keen on Dean endorsing Edwards right now. Why would he? Edwards, while a much better candidate than Kerry (IMO, of course), may be too far behind right now. I can see what Edwards would get out of Dean's support, but what would Dean get? Why would he do it when it appears Edwards is too far behind to really challenge Kerry for the top of the ticket?

Plus, what if Dean endorses Edwards and pulls his supporters along, and after Super Tuesday, Edwards folds and makes a deal with Kerry to be VP? I would feel like I'd been had by the DLC yet again.

This scenario was floated in a comment on Joe Trippi's blog this morning, and it got me thinking.

Kerry/Edwards is undoubtedly the ticket the establishment Democrats want. Edwards is inexperienced now, but in 2012 he will be still be charismatic, handsome, he'll have a couple of teenaged children and perhaps a toddler grandbaby, he'll be experienced AND he'll only be 59 years old. I can't stand Kerry, and I still have some problems with Edwards, but the idea of 16 years in the White House gets even me going, when I think about it.

However, I don't want to be manipulated. I don't want to be rooked into supporting Kerry/Edwards. I may get there on my own (holding my nose, at least where Kerry's concerned) but I DON'T want to be taken for granted or treated like a commodity to be traded. The DLC mouthpieces Carville and Begala have already made clear what disdain they have for Dean supporters, I hope it isn't compounded by a bait and switch endorsement scenario.

[Cuban_Liberal]

82. I don't think Dr. Dean will 'sell you out'.

I really don't, and I don't think Sen. Edwards would crap on Dr. Dean after he did something so incredibly generous, either. I think Dr. Dean may be looking at the best thing he can do for the movement from a strategic viewpoint, and I'm quite sure he'll drive a hard bargain.

:)

Edit: typo

[LizW]

85. I can only hope Dean wouldn't

I think I would collapse into a morbid state of complete disillusionment if that happened.

I have been bitterly disappointed by what happened to Dean in this race, but I'm beginning to come out of it.

All the Nader, Nader, Nader threads are helping me to regain my sense of humor.;)

I'm looking seriously at Edwards, and I think you're right that he wouldn't crap on Dean if it were up to him. However, this is politics, and sometimes even good men do crappy stuff.

[Cuban_Liberal]

87. Yeah, the Nader stuff is amusing.

So much heat and light, and no action. :P

I'm a realist in terms of politics, too, but I think both Dr. Dean and the senator would try their damnedest to keep the bargain honorable. We can hope, because it may give us both something we need. :)

[Cuban_Liberal]

94. Kick

[Cuban_Liberal]

96. Kick

[boxster]

98. While you're busy kicking your post, why don't you....

answer post #92?

[Padraig18]

99. Why don't YOU...

... let him cook dinner? You have no right to demand that anyone here do anything.

[boxster]

100. Didn't sound like a demand to me.

Oh, I forgot. Asking someone to actually PROVE their assertions is against the rules. CL seemed to have time to post about 50 times in this thread and kick it a couple of times. It certainly wasn't unrealistic to think that my post would get a timely response now, is it?

And, by the way, I can - and will - post whatever and whenever the fuck I please, thank you very much.

[Padraig18]

102. Obviously you will.

Who gives a flying fuck?

[boxster]

103. Nice edit. Calling me a "belligerent bastard", hmm?

I wouldn't have been belligerent if you hadn't been condescending.

People can post whatever they want on internet boards. Playing den mother or whatever it is you think you're doing with comments like, "you aren't in any position to demand anything" certainly isn't going to win your candidate any support. Obviously, you couldn't care less, which is too bad.

Considering that all I asked for was a simple answer to a question that was posed because CL claimed that my information was wrong, yet provided zero proof to the contrary, I'd say that you're the one who is being belligerent.

[citizen snips]

105. fight, fight, fight.

GD:2004 is very entertaining tonight.

[boxster]

107. Yeah, it's been entertaining ever since the rule change, and certainly

since Kerry became the front-runner. Quite the increase in bitterness and anger.

Not to mention people taking things waaaaaay too personally.

[citizen snips]

111. GD:2004 has been a war zone for a long time.

I rarely come across a thread that has not been flamed.

[boxster]

113. True. Though, it seems to rise and fall. Nader entering the race

certainly triggered an increase.

You're right, though. It's pretty much been a war zone since it was split off from GD.

[citizen snips]

115. Hopefully it will stop once the nomination is over.

n/t

[boxster]

122. We can only hope, though I may not hang around long enough to

find out.

Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of the bitterness and blind hatred of people on this board. Seems that too many posters are more interested in perpetuating BS or creating flame wars than in providing documentation for their assertions.

[Padraig18]

108. Fair comment.

I've read the threads you've posted into.

[boxster]

109. Pot, meet kettle.

You are much too funny for words.

[Padraig18]

110. If the shoe fits.

*hands it to you* I wish you WERE funny, but you're not.

[boxster]

121. I wasn't trying to be funny.

Humor was not my intent.

Though, upon further reflection, there is one pretty significant difference. I did not attack you or CL. I cannot, in fact, recall a case where I have launched a personal attack on anyone at DU. As of this exact moment, I have received exactly zero warnings here at DU. If your "belligerent bastard" comment is any indication of your usual tone, I highly doubt you can say the same.

I did nothing but ask for a response to a perfectly normal, reasonable question. CL claimed that my information was wrong. I provided CL with documentation to the contrary. I asked for proof of CL's assertion. CL did not respond.

Your first action in this thread, however, was to accuse me of "demanding" something, acting as though you were in charge of what people can and cannot say.

Then, when I had the nerve to respond to your utterly unprovoked and unnecessary berating, your next reaction was a personal attack. I frankly think it is hilarious that you called me belligerent in an obviously belligerent tone. I may not have been trying to be funny, but you, however, were quite funny. Unintentionally, of course.

You apparently feel that you have the right to do and/or say whatever you want on DU, yet the rest of us are not allowed the same rights.

If that is your belief, it is quite wrong.

[mouse7]

97. "PUH-LEEZE HOWARD!"

"We'll give Vermont Durham if you'll endorse me!"

[Padraig18]

101. How about Tarboro, and a city to be named later?

:P

[West Coast Democrat]

104. Sounds like he's trolling for Dean votes

[Padraig18]

106. Or making a deal that benefits both.

:)

[Woodstock]

112. I wish Dean would endorse Edwards

JUST DO IT! I'm not happy with Dean's decision to hang on to a lost cause. He says he wants to serve the party, but I don't see how that is happening with telling people to vote for him even though he dropped out. Endorse Edwards, and Dean still has a say in things, but it's constructive instead of destructive.

[Padraig18]

116. I trust him to make the right decision.

I suspect there's something being worked out, because of the daily personal phone calls between him and the senator. :)

[citizen snips]

117. I hope they reach a decision soon.

Because I am tired of waiting, lets get on with this nomination.

[Padraig18]

118. I think they will.

I think the daily phone calls are the clue here: something's going down soon, and I'd bet it's before Super Tuesday.

[citizen snips]

119. I am crossing my fingers, and I just came across this site.

http://www.deaniacsforedwards.com

[unfrigginreal]

124. It sounds like the Edwards camp is dropping the ball here

You know that Dean has already spelled out what it would take to garner his endorsement, yet they're still just talking every day as Super Tuesday fast approaches.

A Dean endorsement wouldn't gaurantee Edwards all of Deans supporters but I guarandamntee you that many would look more favorably at Edwards.

[Padraig18]

125. I think there's lots going on.

I can't imagine Howard and the senator conferring daily if it wasn't going some place, really. :)

[Nashyra]

127. Dean was the original anti-war

and Dean still supports the war. Kerry wasn't my first choice, but Edwards does not have the foreign policy experience that is necessary for the top stop. I find it hard to believe that Dean would back Edwards. Unfortunately I think that Edwards would be an unmitigated disaster in Nov. He would set himself up well for 2012 as VP.

[Padraig18]

128. There's a LOT more to Dean than 'anti-war'.

On many, MANY issues, he and sen. Edwards are quit close, and share similar populist sentimenst.