Are all Dean supporters posting for Edwards now?

[robbedvoter]

Something in the water?

[Goldberg]

1. What's your problem with Edwards?

[mdmc]

66. nothing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=382730

Edwards rocks!

[IndianaGreen]

2. I can trust Edwards even when I don't agree with him

I cannot trust Kerry because he will change his position if it is political expedient to do so.

It's a matter of trust!

[StopTheMorans]

5. exactly, Edwards doesn't waffle

Kerry voted for the War res, then said he didn't support the war. With Edwards, what he tells you is what you get: he hasn't changed his position on issues the way Kerry has on many issues.

[EXE619K]

7. That is true....

Even though I did not agree with Lieberman on just about all the issues....

At least he stood by them.

[Sandpiper]

9. Well, congrats to Senator Edwards

For standing steadfastly by his votes for The Patriot Act and IWR. :eyes:

[Donna Zen]

17. alliances

Well Edwards may be firmly entrenched among the war mongers a la Rummy and Myers, but I would hardly deem that a vertue. The mystery of this primary just goes on, and on, and on.

[Kahuna]

56. But. he's honest about it. So I feel so much better.

</sarcasm>

[HFishbine]

33. You trust Edwards?

When he says on national TV that he was not fooled by pre-war intelligence, yet stood on the senate floor prior to his yes vote on the IWR and warned American about Saddam's WMD?

[sangh0]

39. I miss the days when you used to be consistent

It as, oh, no more than two weeks ago when you would have rejected voting for a pro-war candidate like Edwards simply because he was "electable"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=113055#115302

"We are doing ourselves a disservice when we fall for the media's lie that Dennis is unelectable. We are the ones that determine electability! If we went along with what we feel to be right, we should be voting for Dennis.

Why do we often hold our noses when we vote on Election Day? Perhaps it is because we don't vote for the best liberal candidates in the primaries..."

[IndianaGreen]

67. David Cobb is more liberal than Kerry, and he supports gay marriage!

It appears the Kerry supporters are hell-bent in shoving his coronation down our throats, and are doing everything to push us out of voting for the Democratic nominee in November.

[GreenArrow]

62. hey lady! wanna buy some oil?

[Sandpiper]

3. Seriously, what gives?

Wasn't Dean supposed to be the anti war candidate? It seems strange that his supporters would rally behind the most unapologetically pro war candidate left in the race.

[EXE619K]

6. There are a few Dean people that's supporting Edwards now.

"Not I", said the fly!



:D

[Ketcham]

11. Dean wasn't the anti-war candidate

Though the media did their best to convince everyone he was. Anyone paying attention would have seen that Kucinich is an anti-war candidate and Dean saw good reasons for opposing this war, though he wasn't really anti-war. The media kept repeating "anti-war candidate Howard Dean" or "Howard Dean, the candidate of the anti-war left" so many times that people started believing it.

I supported Dean since November 2002, on the basis of the issue statements on his website, including his healthcare plans and a few speeches I had seen online.

I'm supporting Edwards now because he's a known quantity: even if you don't agree with him on certain issues, you know where he stands. I worked on the Wellstone campaign in 2002, and Wellstone got a lot of support from centrist voters because even if they didn't like his views, they respected him for saying what he thought. It's the same way with Edwards, except that he'll attract support from the left, even if they don't agree with all of his views.

In my opinion John Kerry is about John Kerry. I get the feeling that he only has a liberal voting record because as the junior senator from Massachusetts, getting reelected depends on how much your voting record looks like Ted Kennedy's. Lately his voting record shows that he's not thinking about just Massachusetts anymore. Soemone who will change their positions for political convenience doesn't deserve my vote, no matter how good their record has been in the past.

[Sandpiper]

20. And in my opinion

John Edwards is an empty suit running on looks and charm. And I'll take the proven voting record of John Kerry over the non record of John Edwards.

[Ketcham]

25. fair enough

Fair enough, I can respect that.

[SEAburb]

Kerry became the scapegoat for every dem that voted for IWR

to Dean supporters. Somethings never change.

[EXE619K]

4. Chickenhawk alliance?

Speak for yourself buddy!

[Blayde Starrfyre]

8. Matter of pragmatism

Yes, I voted for Dean in the caucus. However, if we can't have Dean, ABB is the next priority, and Edwards is far and away the most electable candidate.

[JVS]

10. That is needlessly inflammatory. And the answer is no.

I find them equally repugnant.

[robbedvoter]

13. For you, I changed it. because you showed signs of individual thinking

I thought I was in zombieland for a while.

[Donna Zen]

23. Time for a "me too"

and congratulation for holding on to you soul.

Strategy:

Clark on the ballot: vote for him

Bush on the ballot: vote against him.

Edwards and Kerry will fight it out without me.

[arcos]

12. Are all Clarkies posting for Kerry now? n/t

[JVS]

14. nevermind

Keeping it nice

[robbedvoter]

15. Nope. Not me. Voting for Clark.

Still, If I need to psych myself to vote for kerry in November (unbearable thought) the easy way is to look at Edwards. Almost makes kerry human. Almost.

[Goldberg]

18. Why waste your vote on Clark???

He's out of it! Geez.

[TexasPatriot]

52. Because the alternatives of Kang and Kodos are unappealing

Dean and Clark people should vote for their people anyway - then maybe there will be enough delegates in boston to show the party that maybe there's a problem.

[maddezmom]

48. no, not all

I'm supporting Kerry now, but I know quite a few Clarkie's that either haven't made a decision, or have gone with other candidates besides Kerry.

[AntiCoup2K4]

16. I'm not an Edwards supporter

But if Howard Dean were to endorse him, I'd certainly consider it. And in any event, I would vote for Edwards if he were the nominee. Because while his voting record is far from perfect, he's not a complete PNAC whore like Kerry.

[mrgorth]

19. No

Kerry is my lesser of 2 evils.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

21. No I did a poll last week

but the majority here are.

O.K. I just kicked it. Dean supporters went to Edwards 3 to 1 vs. Kerry.
Clark supporters went to Kerry essentially 3 to 1 over Dean. :)

[cosmokramer]

22. Doesn't make sense...

Perhaps the Dean supporters just have a knack for choosing candidates that can't beat Bush?

Dean has no foreign policy experience, Edwards has no foreign policy experience.

When Edwards drops, they will switch their allegiance again--likely to whomever is left (provided they don't have foreign policy experience).

Go figure, so many Democrats don't really understand what this election will be about. The incumbent frames the debate, and the debate will be about foreign policy and national security. Those not able to effectively refute the GOP meme that dems are 'soft' on foreign policy will lose.

And yes, I follow my General's orders. He is a brilliant man, and I will always walk the point with him.

[EXE619K]

24. I hate to do this but....

What Foreign policy experience?

Following the White House directives for waging war?

That "Foreign Policy" experience?

[IndianaGreen]

26. Kerry forgot the lessons from the Tonkin Gulf Resolution

so he voted for IWR.

So much for experience!

[EXE619K]

32. IG,

I'm talking about Clark...not Kerry.

I didn't want to bring this up because Clark was my second choice and didn't want to speak "ill" of him.

However, to say that Clark was "Foreign Policy Guru" is simply wrong.

That was my point.

[IndianaGreen]

35. Okay, thanks for clarifying that

I thought you were talking about Kerry.

[sangh0]

IG has her "Kerry, Kerry, Kerry" moment

LOL!

[cosmokramer]

40. You are wrong

General Clark is an expert strategist and has enormous foreign policy experience. Do a little research.

Commander-in-Chief European Command
Nato Supremem Allied Commander
Diplomatic Aid and Strategist Bosnia Accords...

...and on and on and on.

HANDS DOWN, he has the most FP experience of any democratic candidate in the race.

Now tell me, exactly how many meetings has Dean had with world leaders....

[EXE619K]

47. here's a clarification for you.

I've served in USAEUR for ten-years and I've served under Clark's command in the last few years of my service.

If you've served in the USAEUR theatre, you should know about the COC and the impact of SACEURs have on it.

Which is none!

The SACEURs get their directives straight from the White House/SD/Pentagon....get this straight!

SACEURs DO NOT MAKE FOREIGN POLICY DECISIONS!

They only implement them, when the directives fall on to their lap...like all good soldiers, they obey the orders of the COC.

No where, have I said Dean has more experience in FP than anyone.

I'm just pointing out the fact that it is highly incorrect to say that any soldier has more FP experience than a civilian that has diplomatic relations with foreign Govts.

That's the fact!

[cosmokramer]

55. GET THIS STRAIGHT!

And who in this race has the diplomatic relations with foreign governments?

Not Dean.

Not Edwards.

Not Kucinich.

Not Kerry.

Clark.

Or perhaps you don't fully understand the impact of his work in the world?

Or the 55 Ambassadors that endorsed him.

Oh well.

[EXE619K]

57. What does 55 ambassadors have to do with...anything?

So, if a Marine Corp General endorses Howard Dean, does that mean Dean is a guru in military affairs?

You're right....No one in this race has.

And also, Was Clark making his own directives during the military action in Kosovo, besides the military aspect, which he needed approval from the White House anyways?

You can try to dispute me all you want, however, to say that Clark has Foreign policy experience more than any other is absolutely ridiculous.

Now, did I ever mention that Dean has more FP experience than any other?

I don't think so.

So, don't go around praising the ability of military command as a substitute for foreign policy experience.

That's just a lot of hot air and BS.

[cosmokramer]

59. Clearly, you fail to see the point.

Trying to educate those so firmly in their positions, and those clearly bitter (i.e. you), is a waste of my time. :eyes:

[BurtWorm]

27. Not me. I am pro-Dean, anti-Edwards.

:hi:

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

28. long time anti-Deanite here

I love Edwards and DK. Anyone else makes me wonder why I'm a Democrat, frankly.

[JVS]

30. See I like Dean and DK,

Gephardt I can somehow find sympathetic

The rest make me ashamed of the party.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

43. Dean could never have really done it

I like Gephardt too - he was my first choice for a while (yeah, his deal with Bush was disgusting).

Dean wanted to run as a "economic moderate, maybe conservative" and his fans were/are too yuppie to really be a force for change. He *did* start to sound populist, and he should be given a goddamn award for saying "multinational corporations" as often as he did.

If I knew last year what I know now, I would have probably had a much warmer view towards him. That's irrelevant now. Edwards (maybe) has a shot and his message is a million times better than Kerry's (what is Kerry's message anyway?)

[BurtWorm]

31. How do you reconcile those two?

Edwards is the most unabashedly pro-war Dem, right next to Lieberman. He's chickenhawk supreme!

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

34. because class is the issue that matter to me

not the war specifically. Why? Because war is caused by the class problem. You cannot have peace until you have justice.

This war against Iraq is supported 100% by the Democratic establishment - and even Dean said repeatedly he'd keep us there "for years" - just like all the rest - meaning "until we get all the oil".

The only way you'll end US imperialism is when the working class in the US has their fair share of the wealth. Until then, we'll have more wars.

Edwards will do something about the class problem - Kerry will not.

[BurtWorm]

37. What makes you think he will do anything about the class problem?

What makes you think he isn't just talking, talking, talking...

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

45. he might be ... that's all that Dean ever did...

but at least he's saying the right things. When Kerry stumps about how the rich shouldn't have "special privlidges" Theresa can barely contain her laughter as she sits behind him.

[BurtWorm]

46. Out of curiosity, do you think a person's class at birth determines

his politics on class?

As for me, it seems that Edwards is more of a yuppie than a working class type. I don't buy what he's selling about anything, least of all about class.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

49. obviously, someone's upbringing has an effect on them later in life

Edwards has chosen a message - class war - and Kerry has chosen his - he is a Vietnam vet. One message is useful to me, one is not.

Edwards grew up middle class and went to public schools. Few of the other candidates did. Edwards is making class war the number one theme is his campaign - aside from DK, none of the other candidates are. It seems simple to me.

Of course, Edwards is a politician, and politicians lie, of course - that goes for Kucinich too.

[Orangepeel]

29. Edwards has always been my second choice

I didn't base my support of Dean on the war, although I was against it. I based it on his economic policies and what I perceived to be his ability to come across as exciting and sincere to the electorate.

However, I am better able to "forgive" Edwards for his war vote than I am Kerry. At least Edwards was representing his constituency.

[HFishbine]

41. Bullshit

Edwards was representing his constituencey? You mean these folks?





Raleigh, NC

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

50. yes, your post is bullshit

NC was overwhelming pro-war, while Mass was not. That's the difference.

[HFishbine]

58. Really?

And you know this how?

[WI_DEM]

36. no I've come out for Dennis Kucinich

but have to admit I could swallow Edwards more easily than I can Kerry.

[Larkspur]

38. Nope, I'm still voting for Dean on March 2

Will not vote for a pro-war Dem in the Primary. Don't like either Kerry or Edwards.

[jansu]

42. Me too! Dean did not withdraw, he quit campaiging! He has asked us

to still vote for him in ALL the primaries to come! Let's stick with him and give him all the delegates that we can to take to the Convention. Where our voice can have a direct effect on the party platform.

Vote your choice, not the Polls!

[MercutioATC]

44. Not me. I'm still voting for Dean in the primary

[burned]

51. No

I voted for Dean in my primary. I'm uninspired by Edwards. He sounds like every other politician. Plus I don't vote for an accent like he implied I would as a southerner.
Just waiting to vote for the nominee in the GE.

[SaddenedDem]

53. Not this Dean supporter

I'll be voting Dean in my primary.

[GreenPartyVoter]

54. I'm still ABB but rooting for Dennis til the last second.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

60. No

[dontstopthere]

61. this dean supporter is for kerry (nt)

[beyurslf]

63. I am.

[xultar]

64. Hears what I heard on CNN, the reason Dean is leaning toward

supporting Edwards is because he's pissed (sour grapes) that Kerry beat him.

I have not axe to grind, I personally don't give a RATS ASS cuz that I think Clark was the only SANE choice for the nomination. Further more I could give a shit whom Dean supporters support. Edwards isn't going to win anywaze cuz he has NO experience. There is no way he can garner enough crossover for people to trust him to lead the country in this time of "war" and "terra".

With that said, CNN can kiss my ASS becauuse of the way they treated Clark. But I wonder, why are there Dean supporters for Edwards sites? Edwards is WAY more conservative than Kerry. You'd think that a conservative southern white dude like Edwards wouldn't have the pull of a New Englander Liberal such as Kerry. You'd think Kerry would be a more logical choice for Dean's grassroots than a southern white dude.

Discuss...

[Rich Hunt]

65. maybe the thinking is ...

A southern white dude from a more humble background would pull a lot of undecideds and independents in places like the Midwest, West & South.

[Larkspur]

68. Dean is pissed at Kerry because of Kerry's Torreceli connection

and those 527 groups' that ran Repuke-like ads against him and Dean's supporters.

Don't worry, I'm voting for Dean on March 2. There is no way I'm voting for a pro-war candidate -- Kerry or Edwards -- until I have to.

Should Kerry win the nomination, he'll have to liquidate all his assets before I think about donating to his GE Campaign. There is no way I'm helping him get his mansion back.