Obama says "Everybody talks change,

[ccpup]

but how did they act when it was not convenient, when it's hard."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22370988

If you're Obama, you miss the votes. Or get a tummy flu. Or vote Present 130 times. Or join in co-sponsorship with many of your Dem colleagues -- including one of your opponents -- of a Resolution that in more ways than not mirrors the language of a future Resolution (a vote you, um, missed) that you now try and beat your opponent -- the one you co-sponsored the earlier Resolution with -- around the head with.

Confused yet? Welcome to Barack Obama's World of Political Courage.

[acmavm]

1. Yeah, but the guy gives a mean speech. That's about it, but he does do

that well.

[ClarkUSA]

3. Your girl can't even do that and has to beg people to like her

The only thing Hillary does well is vote for all of Bush's wars and lie like a rug.

[acmavm]

5. My girl? Did Edwards have some radical surgery within the last couple of

days?

[ClarkUSA]

7. You obviously have a soft spot for petty and erroneous Hillaryworld attacks on Obama, though, right?

Sorry, your venom is identical to the Clinton Kool-Aide drinkers. It was an easy mistake to make on my part.
Myself, I have never joined in a thread bashing Edwards for his hair, his house, or his hedge fund... but that's
just me. :shrug:

[acmavm]

9. I imagine you make a lot of mistakes jumping to conclusions like you do.

[ClarkUSA]

14. Your venomous Obama Hater comments made it easy for me

I guess we know who's your second choice. :crazy:

[acmavm]

53. Hee hee. Don't plan on making a living on that mind reading act of yours.

You'll starve.

[ElizabethDC]

17. I love it how you think that everyone who dislikes Obama is a Hillary supporter

I guess it just makes it easier for you to categorize people, but it doesn't make it true.

[ClarkUSA]

2. Obama voted present 130 times out of 4000+ times and sponsored 823 bills in 8 years

Everything you're saying is a desperate attempt to put an Orwellian-Rovian spin attack on Obama's record. Why don't you prop
up your girl? I guess applauding HER votes for neocon wars and the Patriot Act aren't so easy, huh?

:rofl:

[alteredstate]

4. Just another ugly thread. n/t

[ccpup]

6. it's only an "ugly thread"

if you're a super-sensitive candidate (or supporter) who's uncomfortable with a history of missed votes, Present votes and talking the talk but not walking the walk.

And it's not like the repuglicans will ever bring this issue up or anything should he be the Nominee, right?

Better come up with a better response than :cry:

[ClarkUSA]

8. How's your girl's Likability Tour going? With supporters like you, she need one.

So when do you think Republicans will bring up all the women Bill has been fucking since Monica? Huh? Since you are so
"concerned" about what Republicans will bring up about Obama, I thought I'd share with you my "concerns" as well. ;-)

[ccpup]

11. I apologize if bringing up Obama's

(lack of a) voting record and hypocrisy was so upsetting for you. Let's hope your Candidate isn't as sensitive and easily offended as you seem to be.

[ClarkUSA]

12. You're bringing up 3% of his IL Senate votes (all of whom were "gotcha" bills by the GOP)

You're a credit to Mark Penn.

Why don't you talk about Hillary's neocon war votes or her support for NAFTA or her votes for the Patriot Act, instead?
Now that's something you should be proud of, right?

[ccpup]

13. Hillary's Neocon Votes

oddly ape those of Obama since he's been in the Senate. Of course, he's only been there the briefest of times, but he votes lockstep with Clinton -- that is when he shows up to do his job -- on the Iraq War almost every time.

Those damn facts will get you every damn time, won't they? Don't worry, though. I'm sure the repuglicans will be nice, recognize Obama's sensitivity on this issue and just not bring it up if your guy is the Nominee.

[ClarkUSA]

15. You are spinning like a top... Mark Penn's bogus talking points are flying out of your keyboard!

Pathetic.

[ccpup]

18. I sure hope Obama is better at defending his record

than you are. I don't know that the American people will appreciate him changing the subject as a way of ducking tough questions about his (lack of a) record, although -- with his obviously thin armor -- I'm sure he'll try.

And you sure seem obsessed about who Bill and Hillary might have been fucking. Little bit lonely in ObamaLand?

[ClarkUSA]

20. Kindergate failed. Drug Dealergate failed. Madrassa emails busted. Now it's Votegate, huh?

The only one ducking responsibility is Hillary. When is she going to apologize to the American people for not reading the NIE report
before voting for IWR? She is clearly not experienced or smart enough to be president.

[ccpup]

21. at least she shows up to do her job

which is more than can be said about Obama.

Then again, his finger was in the air, but the breeze wasn't blowing, so who can blame him?

[ClarkUSA]

23. So you call not reading the NIE report before she voted for IWR "doing her job""

That explains alot. Your paltry attacks on Obama pale in comparison to the blood that is on Hillary's hands.

[ccpup]

27. and you still haven't addressed

his absence from the Senate on important votes or his Present Votes or his hypocrisy!

I, for one, don't have the hatred in my heart to hope anyone rots in hell. But it doesn't surprise me coming from a desperate Obama Supporter who has no answers and no defense of his candidate but certainly seems to, unfortunately, have a great deal of hate.

[ClarkUSA]

37. I'd like to address how many votes Hillary has missed as Senator. It's far higher than 130.

Any idea? Hmmm?

Google it. :-)

[OHdem10]

10. No Candidate is going to change one thing about the Culture

Wars.

Which candidate is going to shut down OReilly, Rush Limbaugh,Sean Hannity
and the whole world RW Talkers? Hey, these people are making
a living such as I could only dream about.They are not going
quietly into the night.

Which candidate is going to shut down the ProLifers and Pro Choicers.

Which candidate is going to shut down NRA and its minions?

Which candidate is going to shut down GLBT and Anti-Gay Groups???

These are fights that will continue.

We are not a country of mamby pamby go along to get along. The
dynamism is good for the country.

What divided the country was GWB and the Republicans taking the
government so far to the Right in governance. We have not seen
the center in years. A change of Presidents and some Liberal Progressive
Members in House and Senate would make the change and bring more
unity than anything. The War Brought the Division and Which Candidate
is really going to change things. The Present Members on the Hill
keep prolonging and authorizing an unending war. Which candidate
can negotiate a settlement between Centrist, Blue Dogs,Dlc Versus
Progressive/Liberals??? Here is the big Challenge. The American
People, Republicans and Democrats are sick of the money being spent
on the war, and the money being sent to all parts of the world
while we cannot take care of our people here at home. Which candidate
will adress this?????
\
When they talk about change--I do not even believe they know what
they can realistically change and what needs to be changed??

The cultural issues will become background noise if they solve
the real problems. DO they even know what needs to be changed????

[CyberPieHole]

16. Don't confuse the Obamanations with facts. They don't accept facts...

they thrive on "hope" and banalities.

[ElizabethDC]

19. Well put. That's been my impression as well. n/t

[ccpup]

22. my favorite is when they dodge answering questions

by trying to flip the conversation back to Hillary (see ClarkUSA up-thread's desperate attempts to not face Obama's lack of a record)

If you take their outrage with a grain of salt, it can be pretty hilarious!

[ElizabethDC]

24. I saw that, too

evidently Obama doesn't show up to vote because Hillary's a lesbian or something. That's what I got out of that conversation. :)

[ccpup]

26. and Bill is fucking

(pardon my language) someone. Must be lonely in ObamaLand if he's that obsessed with the sex life of the Clintons.

[ClarkUSA]

25. I love it when the Hillaryworld peanut gallery on every anti-Obama thread gather and snigger.

Y'all are Hillaryous.

[ccpup]

28. at least we don't hope

Obama rots in Hell (as you do for Hillary up-thread). And we can't help it if we find desperate Obama Supporters hilarious! Talking the talk but not walking the walk is funny to see.

[ElizabethDC]

31. Yeah, because you never trash-talk Hillary.

Oh, wait.

[Name removed]

32. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ccpup]

35. mental midgets?

gee, judgmental much? I'll try not to take it too personally.

I know that it must be very frustrating defending a Candidate with a paper-thin record and the political courage of a fruit fly.

But you do give it your best shot and, for that, I'll give you a :thumbsup:. It's been a tough afternoon for you.

[ClarkUSA]

42. Just an observation...

It's a pleasure to defend Obama against Hillaryworld talking points. I get a chance to put that FACTS out there for everyone to read.

See ya! I'm done kicking your bogus thread.

[ElizabethDC]

44. You must have a funny definition of "facts." n/t

[ccpup]

46. facts? with Obama?

now who's the funny one? :rofl:

[ClarkUSA]

54. That's funny coming from a Hillaryworlder who defended Bill Shaheen and Bob Kerrey.

You're Hillaryous.

[ElizabethDC]

57. When did I do that? n/t

[ClarkUSA]

59. DU archives are our friend

Of course, you wouldn't remember... :eyes:

[ElizabethDC]

62. The only thing I defended was Bill Shaheen's apology and resignation

both of which I thought were appropriate. I don't think I ever even weighed in on the Bob Kerrey thing.

[ccpup]

45. okay

join your guy under the table, put your finger in the wind and see which way the breeze blows before you join us in Reality World.

You done got busted, dude. Dirty tricks, dirty editing ... I'm sure your boy would be proud.

[ClarkUSA]

49. Keep flailing away. Your OP is a Mark Penn talking point that I shed FACTS on.

Thanks for the opportunity! :hi:

[ElizabethDC]

50. Didn't you already announce that you were done with this thread? n/t

[ClarkUSA]

52. Is that you, Mommy?

If not, go back to propping up your neocon candidate.

[ElizabethDC]

55. Is your Mom usually the one who calls you on your shit? n/t

[ClarkUSA]

56. Such sanctimonious BS. lol!

You're Hillaryous. Got anymore stories from your tall tale about Hillary and Al having dinner together? Talk about shit!

[ElizabethDC]

58. Tall tale? If it is such a thing, bring it up with Donna Brazile, who's the person who I

heard about it from to begin with.

[ClarkUSA]

60. Then give email me her direct contact info

And let me ask her. Because I haven't heard her say anything about it publicly. Funny how that works, eh?

My Inbox is open, Mom. :hi:

[ElizabethDC]

63. I'm not going to give you her contact info

that would be a violation of her privacy. Heck, I wouldn't give you *my* contact info.

Also, she may not have said anything about it publicly. She mentioned it off-hand at a group discussion I was at about in the spring. She told the group that she was having dinner with Al that night and that Hillary was supposed to be there, too. Sorry I can't provide anything more than an anecdote, but that's all I've got. :shrug:

[ElizabethDC]

40. I notice that you've edited most of your previous posts in this thread

clever.

You still questioned Hillary's sexuality and make unsubstantiated allegations about Bill's sex life.

[ccpup]

43. like I said

dirty tricks from an Obama supporter? Who'd thunk it. Just like Their Guy, I guess.

[ClarkUSA]

51. Now the pile on starts... who are you kidding?

:eyes:

[ccpup]

33. see what he wishes for her up-thread

the sentence includes words that rhyme with "snots" and "smell"

Hatred like that :scared: me.

[ClarkUSA]

34. You're making things up again.

Why do you insist on telling falsehoods? :shrug:

[ccpup]

36. nice editing job

guess you realized you had gone a bit too far, eh?

[ClarkUSA]

39. And you're making things up... sorry you feel you have to do that.

Guess you realized you have to cover your ass, huh?

[ccpup]

41. original message

So you call not reading the NIE report before she voted for IWR "doing her job""
Posted by ClarkUSA


That explains alot. Your paltry attacks on Obama pale in comparison to the blood that is on Hillary's hands.

I hope she rots in Hell.

...

if you keep these shenanigans up, I'll turn to the mods and have them catch the cache before you edited it. Dirty tricks from an Obama Supporter. Who woulda thunk it.

[ClarkUSA]

48. How silly. Your typing in a few extra lines is a bit desperate, eh?

:rofl:

[ccpup]

65. original message edited at 1:36

following my original Post at 1:24 where I clearly refer to the "rots in hell" sentence", a now deleted Post by you where you claim I'm making things up at 1:35 and then this response from you came in at 1:41 where, with the evidence in your face, you assert I've typed in a few lines.

What was edited away at 1:36, ClarkUSA?

[ClarkUSA]

29. FACT: NYT Graphic showing his Illinois legislative record

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/07/29/us/politics/20070730_OBAMA_GRAPHIC.html

[ClarkUSA]

30. FACT: Primer Lesson: Obama sponsored and fought for 823 bills over 8 years as an Illinois lawmaker

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3870386

[calteacherguy]

38. What is wrong with voting Present 130 times?

Are you aware that such a vote has the practical equivalent of voting "no." Are you aware many progressive organizations support such a strategy? Are you aware of the reasons for the present votes? Are you aware that ALL Illinios state representatives have voted present? Are you aware that there is nothing negative about doing so? Are you aware of anything?

[Occam Bandage]

47. Now, I think Barack talks a better game than he walks. But can we please

stop with the "present"-vote bashing? It's disingenuous. And can we avoid bashing candidates for getting the flu?

Now, when it comes to K-L, though, he's fair game.

[killbotfactory]

61. I can't wait until the petty hateful bullshit is over.

and the sockpuppets here disappear after the primaries.

[mtnsnake]

64. That's hillarious how Obama can accuse Edwards, or ANYONE, of hypocrisy

when he has proven time and time again to be the most hypocritical of all the candidates.

Case in point: Obama being the one to make false claims of being the only true anti-war candidate and then turning around to vote YES to each and every bill to fund the war to go on. He is no more anti-war than any of them, hypocrite that he is.

[Gloria]

66. I'm waiting for disaster in 2008 with the Clinton or Obama

both firmly planted in the Beltway acceptance of the rights of corporations, no questions asked.