What the FUCK did I just see on CNN??? Barak Obama Xmas

[rzemanfl]

ad, CNN comments: "warm cocoa" "lump of coal" not very damned subliminal!

[rocktivity]

1. Sounds like they were rating all the Christmas commericals

:eyes:
rocknation

[rzemanfl]

2. True enough, But it sure sounded racist to me....n/t

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

5. Sorry I think youre reading too much into it..

[stillcool]

9. actually that is how many..

racial slurs are done...subtly...I remember a 'cute' little joke that had something to do with an almond joy and a mounds bar...can't remember the joke but the intent has stayed with me. I was told I read too much into that one too..it was all meant in 'fun'.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

10. Most people, this time of year,

Associate warm cocoa with fond xmas memories.. I have never heard it used racially and If I were to say 'its like warm cocoa' someone who started screaming I was taking a racial dig would be, like you, overreacting and seeing a problem where none exist..

Seriously do we start banning cocoa from the American lexicon?

[stillcool]

18. No, but I am not averse...

to recognizing word association when one is attempting to spread a little bigotry with their Christmas joy.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

22. how was the statement *at all*

bigoted?

[stillcool]

24. Do you want a one word answer...

on the use of language... be it subliminal or overt, to conjure up images to sway opinion?

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

29. No,

I want a one word answer as to how 'warm cocoa' is subliminial or over racism especially when used at Christmas time...

[stillcool]

30. so is 'warm cocoa' different at

Christmas? actually there is nothing wrong with 'warm cocoa', at any time. There is nothing wrong with 'green tea' either.

[rzemanfl]

19. Well, as far as the lexicon goes, "niggardly" can no longer be

used as a synonym for "penurious" in public discourse-I never understood that that one. It was not the image, it was the context.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

23. I think the language geshtapo can go too far..

Are their words were better off without? sure...

But when folks start to say x word sounds too much like y especially when the two words have a completely different meaning were going too far. When 'warm cocoa' is used with 'coal' to give a good or bad to a commercial at Christmas time and people start thinking racism, we've gone too far..

[annie1]

3. yeah, it was kinda of weird. after they finished the sentence...

i was ok with it, but at first i found it sort of striking. the beginning of the sentence was odd

[rzemanfl]

6. I am white and not overly sensitive about this type of thing, but

to me it was an attempt both to say he's black and not black enough depending on one's perspective.

[annie1]

12. oh. i didn't take it that way. i'm black i took it as...

'look at them all siting there, so cocoa brown'. :D

[rzemanfl]

13. As in "not black enough?" n/t

[loveangelc]

15. mixed with marshmallows

:o lol a reference to mixed ethnicity?

[rzemanfl]

17. I thought about that too, but it didn't jump out the way cocoa and

coal did. Nice how they managed to backhandly bless Huckabee's not too subliminal cross...

[lisainmilo]

4. I think you misunderstood

The reported said he would put all the political Christmas ads next to his lump of coal.

Stupid reporting just the same!

[rzemanfl]

8. If lump of coal had followed a white guy it would have been okay.

But after the "cocoa" comment? Why didn't they just say "Obama, Mrs. Obama and their little pickaninnies?"

[watercolors]

7. Obamam Xmas message one of the best.

It gave me a warm feeling of good will and old fashion Xmas.

[annie1]

14. agree. it was a nice family you can imagine in the white house.

[The Traveler]

11. Yeah ... it was pretty unnecessary

and tasteless. The smart ass comment after Edwards speaks about remembering the homlessness rate of veterans and how many Americans will spend Christmas in poverty ...

As for the idea that CNN would stoop to subliminal expressions of racism, only a well informed and observant individual would stoop to such a claim. Whether or not that was the intent, this was really a stupid, unnecessary and tasteless approach to political coverage.

[rzemanfl]

16. Now if they'd talked about "fruitcake" before the Huckabee ad it

would have been more balanced. I appreciate your "well informed and observant" comment.

I miss the separation of church and state SO MUCH.

[Superman Returns]

20. I wasn't the only one

I had CNN on and while I was on the computer I heard Obama's voice and then references to cocoa and coal, I thought about it too. weird.

[jenmito]

21. I don't think it matters what these dumb commentators say...

it's a terrific family commercial and I think Iowans and others will appreciate the fact that he, unlike Hillary and Edwards, chose to include his family. Very nice ad.

[RFKJrNews]

25. I did a double-take when I heard that, too

The "cup of cocoa" thing made me stop and ask, "WTF did he just SAY?"

If it makes a difference, the CNN reporter who filed that piece is African-American, which almost makes it a *more* bizarre thing to hear.

[jenmito]

26. Do you remember who it was? I saw it played on MSNBC and Contessa Brewer said,

after watching it, "I just got goosebumps." That's how it SHOULD be.

[RFKJrNews]

27. It was Joe Johns

(edited to add URL) Sorry I neglected to mention the reporter's name.

Am rather surprised you saw the report on MSNBC. Joe Johns works for CNN - the report was filed for "Anderson Cooper 360." (Although Johns is a former longtime NBC staffer.)

Joe Johns' bio: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/johns.joe.html

[jenmito]

28. Oh. Thanks...

Yeah, I recognize him. I just saw the commercial shown on MSNBC with the woman reporting at that hour, Contessa Brewer, commenting that it gave her goosebumps.

The weird thing is I saw it shown somewhere else, too, and the person mentioned "warm cocoa" and I don't think it was on CNN! Wouldn't that be something if it was an orchestrated smear attempt?

[RFKJrNews]

32. wouldn't surprise me

if other networks are picking up the story.

as to their motivations, your guess is as good as mine.

[rzemanfl]

33. Only people in primary states will see that ad, the rest will see it

on the news, with any subliminal subtext the MSM wants to add. Much like the swiftboat ads only ran in battleground states.

[David Zephyr]

31. Huckabee the Opportunist. The nickname "Huckster" is so appropriate.

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