Follow Up: Hillary's Homophobe?

[sampsonblk]

I knew I'd find it. I knew I would.

Candidate Clinton goes public with her private faith

By Linda Feldmann
Thu Dec 20, 3:00 AM ET

Washington - She quoted one of her favorite passages in Scripture � where it says in the Epistle of James that "faith without works is dead." She spoke of "the sustaining power of prayer," and how her own faith journey is approaching the half-century mark. She applauded the work of churches in ministering to the sick, as Jesus did...

In the course of the New York senator's 11-month-old presidential campaign, her appearance last month at the Rev. Rick "Purpose Driven Life" Warren's megachurch represented a rare, bold foray into the predominantly conservative world of evangelical Christianity. Whether the warm reception translates into votes remains to be seen, but at the very least, Ms. Clinton signaled that she's not writing anybody off. Nor is she ceding any religious turf to her chief rival for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, who addressed the AIDS summit at Saddleback last year...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20071220/ts_csm/aclinton


WILL SUCCESS SPOIL RICK WARREN? (CNN)

(Warren) has also set himself apart by putting a friendly face on a movement that scares a lot of people with its positions on issues like abortion and gay rights. Warren shares those absolutist positions--he believes homosexuality is a sin and Jews will go to hell--but doesn't emphasize them...

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2005/10/31/8359189/index.htm


Rick Warren, 'America's Pastor'
Wendy Kaminer - The Nation

What sort of leadership might Warren provide? He disassociates himself from the religious right, noting that he shares its position on social issues but doesn't want to focus on them. He focuses on poverty, disease and aid to Africa. But if Warren is part of a "new leadership cohort," as New York Times columnist David Brooks suggests, he sometimes sounds like a member of the old one. Lamenting the "tyranny of activist judges," who obstruct the will of the majority, he evinces no understanding of minority rights or the judiciary's role in enforcing them. Explaining his views about homosexuality and gay rights, he notes, "I don't think that homosexuality is the worst sin," and, "By the way, my wife and I had dinner at a gay couple's home two weeks ago. So I'm not homophobic guy, okay?"

Warren's desire to avoid discussions of issues like abortion, stem cell research and gay rights seems genuine, and is obviously wise. His success derives in part from his focus on crusades that unite people--the alleviation of global poverty and disease. But his faith (like that of others) is inherently divisive. At the end of the day, God is a divider, not a uniter: Non-Christians, however devout, go to hell, along with nonbelievers, whom Warren regards, quite conventionally, as overcome by existential angst and essentially amoral. Without God, "life would have no purpose or meaning," he asserts. "There would be no right or wrong."...

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050912/kaminer/2

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So there you have it. Clinton and Obama are in bed with the same crowd.

[terrya]

1. Sorry...I don't see Rick Warren in the same light as I do Donnie McClurkin

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050912/kaminer/2

Rick Warren has never appeared at a Hillary Clinton fundraiser and publically embraced the "ex-gay" movement with truly offensive comments like "God saved me from homosexuality".

Once again, I wish people would understand how offensive, how insulting it is to GLBT people to allow someone who is a shill for the abusive "ex-gay" movement to be given a pulpit, so to speak, on a fundraising event for a major Democratic candidate for President who says he's for GLBT equality. It's a slap in the face to GLBT people...particularly those who would support an Obama candidacy.

[Cameron27]

2. I'm straight, but the worse thing for me

was the fact that Obama publicily turned his back the pleas of the GLBT community to toss McClurkin. I gave him the benefit of the doubt before that, thinking maybe his staff screwed up, but after he ignored all the protests, his intentions were clear.

[CyberPieHole]

10. Perfectly stated, seasonedblue...

I couldn't have said it better, myself.

[emilyg]

14. Good point.

[redqueen]

4. *sigh*

I somehow managed to miss that he said that...

:(

[goodgd_yall]

6. Agreed

The intention is to show up HRC as no different from Obama on this issue, but there are important differences---the ones that you pointed out.

[sampsonblk]

8. Does Rick Warren belive God can save someone from homosexuality?

Yes.

McClurkin says it. Rick Warren keeps it to himself.

[sandnsea]

3. Darrell Jackson, Linda Short

and a whole host of names working for or endorsing Hillary that have been posted repeatedly. Rick Warren is nothing.

[sampsonblk]

9. OK so I am not as perfect as we all thought. :)

I didn't see the other posts.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

5. This kind of diversionary post is merely a reminder of McClurkin-mania

Trying to point fingers yields the comical defense of Obama's embrace of homophobia that "everybody does it."

If everybody does it, that still wouldn't explain why Obama does it.

The only argument for the Obama campaign is that he is morally superior to all other Dems (and probably to all other human beings), so if we take this post at face value it is still a good reason to vote against Obama.

If Clinton and Obama are morally indistinguishable, then what the heck is he running for?

[sampsonblk]

12. You know better than that

I am a Clinton supporter. I am not defending Obama. I am pointing out the truth.

If you don't want to know that they all do it, that's up to you. But guess what? They still all do it.

Where Obama went wrong, in my view, is that he put the guy out front and used the anti-gay sentiment as a campaign tool. Not cool.

But they all hang out with anti-gay preachers. As many preachers as they can find.

[BenDavid]

7. Let me tell you about what that passage of scripture means:

I have read the book of James and what I conclude is the following:

I call this how a liberal(true meaning of the word) reacts. You have a brother and a sister in need of food and clothing. One man (religious right) comes upon them and sees their plight. He tells them lets pray. So they pray and then the man turns and walks away. The brother and sister are still without food and clothing....Now another man (liberal) comes upon the brother and sister and sees their plight. He tells them to follow him and they go and get clothes and then go and receive food or purchase food. Now here the man ask the brother and sister, let us pray. They pray and then the man leaves.... Now this is how faith and works or faith and deeds work.

HRC is saying the same thing when it comes to the least among us. From what I understand about christians you can have all the faith in the world but unless your deeds or works applify your faith then it is of no good. Just like the brother and sister above, you can pray all you want and still they are without but works or deeds go hand in hand with prayer.

Ben David

[sampsonblk]

13. Very interesting

I never thought of it that way.

[FredScuttle]

11. When will Obama apologize?

n/t