Oh well. . .are you surprised? Clinton Launches Obama Attack Web Sites

[wndycty]

Hey this is normal, but its going to he hard for the Clinton camp to deny they are attacking Obama. The problem for Clinton is this plays right into the negative image many have of her.

Clinton Launches Obama Attack Websites
Clinton Campaign Registered Names of Two Websites to Attack Barack Obama
By JAKE TAPPER

Dec. 20, 2007 —

Des Moines, Iowa -- ABC News has learned that the campaign of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., has registered the names of two websites with the express goal of attacking her chief rival, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, the first time this election cycle a presidential campaign has launched a website with the express purpose of criticizing a rival.

"Votingpresent.com" and "Votingpresent.org" are domains hosted by the same IP address as official Clinton websites, such as TheHillaryIKnow.com website, which was launched with much fanfare this week.

The Clinton campaign intends to use these new websites to paint Obama as cowardly.

Clinton has attacked Obama for having occasionally voted "present" as an Illinois state legislator when it came to contentious legislation.
-snip-

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4032659&page=1

ON EDIT: According to the article the Clinton camp is the first campaign to launch a website "with the express purpose of criticizing a rival." Just remember that, she is the one going to negative not Obama, not Edwards.

[ccpup]

1. until Obama answers for voting Present

over 130 times, it'll continue to be an issue. Some call it negative, others call it informative. Depends on what side of the fence you're standing on. (Straddling the fence doesn't count)

[Lurking Dem]

33. He has done that.

Planned Parenthood, who came up with the strategy with him has explained that.

A lot of people all over the 'nets have explained that.

[ccpup]

49. oh, okay

I guess that makes everything okay. :eyes:

If I wanted a President who was more interested in politically covering his ass than standing up for his Constituents or seeing which way the wind was blowing before deciding whether he had a bad enough case of the stomach flu to make it back in time for the vote, Obama would be my guy.

That's not the kind of President I, personally, want. To each his -- or her -- own, I guess.

[Lurking Dem]

51. It's not "ass covering".

It's strategy that is specific to the Illinois legislature system.

But you know that. Or talking points are just preferable to reading.

[Evergreen Emerald]

2. "attack" on his record. What a load of BS, but no surprise it is ABC

And, I can't find the website. Does it work for anyone else?

[wndycty]

12. See the edit in the OP

:kick:

[Evergreen Emerald]

25. why is it a problem to address his record? And, why not use the available tools to do it?

I do not see a problem with Clinton bringing up that issue. And, in bringing it up she talks about it on TV / newspaper / on-line. What is the problem?

[MethuenProgressive]

36. We aren't allowed to mention his history or record?

I know Obama's sensitive, but this takes the cake.

[liberalnurse]

13. Heck....I looked too............

tried several methods to locate such websites.......they do not exist! I seriously doubt that the ISP is even remotely connected to the Official Clinton Campaign.

What an bucket of shit ABC.

[MNDemNY]

3. Attack sites? Are you saying BHO did not vote "present" some 130 times in the Illinois Legislature?

If it's true, it's not an "attack".

[geek tragedy]

6. If you characterize coordinating with Planned Parenthood

to help defeat bills that would restrict a woman's right to choose as cowardly, yes it's an attack and a lie at the same time.

[MNDemNY]

21. That accounts for 5 of the 130....go on...

[geek tragedy]

4. She's such a negative, polarizing figure.

It's little wonder that more people dislike her than like her.

[Evergreen Emerald]

11. are issues now off limits too? How is bringing up his record

and using the available tools to get the word out negative and polarizing? And, when Obama attacked clinton calling her a liar--that was not negative and polarizing?

[geek tragedy]

14. Distorting a record is a slimy attack. But, at least she's

not calling him a Muslim or drug dealer--she outsources that to her campaign flunkies.

[Evergreen Emerald]

23. She is not distorting his record. The facts are there for everyone to see

And it is a big issue. He has a history of being non-commital on major issues, so he can later claim any position he wants.

For example Kyl/Leiberman. He now claims he was always against it.
He gave a speech earlier in the year agreeing with the specifics of that bill
He has given speeches calling Iranian guards terrorists and that they must be stopped
He has given speeches on the nuclear threat Iran poses...same position as Clinton.

And, if he truly thought--as he now claims--that it was a vote to authorize war, why was he not shouting from the rooftops? If this was such a significant vote: why not shout from the rooftops / and why not show up?

And, he has done this 130 times!!!

That website is not addressing a valid issue.

[mtnsnake]

39. Show us these distortions you speak of.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

44. enjoy the read

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-shaw/reading-the-pictures-coc_b_77695.html

[MGKrebs]

57. Not sure what that has to do with this thread.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

58. wasn't really the whole article

just this part:

"It is not sad enough the Times had to publicize how Obama voted "present" .0325% of the time in the Illinois legislature -- rather than " taking a stand." (That, when the article also explains how a "present" vote is often a routine tactical or procedural move in that body.) No, what is more troubling is how the article uses photographs to create a more toxic visual impression of the smear."

[SoxFan]

5. This is "the fun part", remember?

More slime from a pathetic bunch

[geek tragedy]

8. I wonder how high her negatives can go.

There's about the same % in our party that'll be positive for the Clintons, no matter what, as there are for Bush in the Republican party.

[Cha]

7. Then Obama will have to

set up some websites to rapid response hillary and her attack sites.

[geek tragedy]

10. Nah, just point out what a negative, polarizing, and disliked

figure she is, and wonder how this will help her efforts to get people to reconsider their understandable negative reactions to her.

[Mountainman]

24. Click on this, http://www.votingpresent.com/

The site does not exist. Tell me who is the negative polarizing figure here. It's you, look in the mirror.

[Irishonly]

43. I went to the story

None of the links they said existed did exist.

[Mountainman]

50. And the story is in a lot of papers in red areas of CA like Bakersfield

If it is a story about a Dem in the Bakersfield Californian you can bet your ass it isn't true.

[Cha]

26. You're right...why answer

their smears. And, Obama can tell the truth about hillary's record showing what a bushite she is.

[wndycty]

18. And watch the Clinton people them mock the "politics of hope". . .

. . .its funny how predictable they are, especially when it comes to slimy tactics.

[Cha]

28. When you're into politics for

the power the rest comes easy.

[SaveElmer]

9. Good...I know Obama supporters think any exposure of Obama's

"record" while a part time state legislator ...such that it is...should be off limits...and I can understand that. There isn't alot of "there" there...

Perhaps if Obama didn't want to be attacked for ducking important votes...he could have...you know...voted!!

[Major Hogwash]

53. That's not true, several people have already examined Obama, they pulled his pants down and looked

hard at what they were voting for.

All candidates need to have their pants taken down and examined.

[wyldwolf]

15. according to Obama supporters on DU, this is perfectly fine because it deals with policy

[Tom Rinaldo]

16. For me it all depends on the content

I oppose attempting to land low blows. But I have no problem when political opponents (which they are during a primary) attempt to land normal blows. Odd as it sounds to say it; "swiftboating" has given negative campaigning a bad name, lol. Every campaign utilizes negative campaigning, defining it for the moment to be: attacking the record and relevent prioir experiences of an opponent.

[jefferson_dem]

17. Par for the course for Hillary's deplorable campaign.

She should take up her grievances with the IL NOW.

[Cameron27]

19. Were all his present votes only for abortion bills?

[TeamJordan23]

20. How are Clinton, Penn, and Co. different from Karl Rove again? nm

[MethuenProgressive]

37. Karl Rove made stuff up? Hillary & Co just quote his book and voting record?

Why is ObamaNation so terrified of having his record talked about?

[Scriptor Ignotus]

45. his record is being smeared, not discussed

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-shaw/reading-the-pictures-coc_b_77695.html

[MethuenProgressive]

47. Got anything less biased than HuffPo as a source?

It's the hatehillingtonpost, actually.

[suston96]

22. Yeah right, Hillary gets slimed every day, and all night long...

...from the bastions of the Democratic party - Daily Kos and Democratic Underground - and they are whining and screeching that Hillary should not be returning the flavors in kind to the favored candidate at DK and DU.

Yeah, I think I understand. Get real, people. These are political campaigns, get it? Shit flies in all directions.

[Skip Intro]

27. Well, Edwards had up PlantsForHIllary.com, the article is wrong. Besides, his voting record

or lack thereof, is fair game.

When will Obama apologize for calling her dishonest, bush/cheney lite, comparing her to Mitt Romney or Rudolph Gouliani?

[suston96]

29. "Just remember that, she is the one going to negative not Obama..."

What is negative about Obama's public voting record - ?

What is negative about Obama's non-voting record?

Yeah, right, after all the crap about Hillary's Iraq war and Iran terrorist votes in Congress?

None of that was negative.........?

[MethuenProgressive]

38. Obama announces on the front page of the New York Times he's going negative...

and gets a pass from his worshipers. Odd how they all act like zombies where he;s concerned.

[rinsd]

30. Um did anyone try to get on these websites? Neither seem to work.

[Connie_Corleone]

31. They're registered, but they're not live yet.

[Lurking Dem]

34. here it is

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[Scriptor Ignotus]

46. they were up the other day

somebody here at DU posted the links before this article ran.

[Connie_Corleone]

32. I don't have a problem with this.

They're going after his record, which is what she's supposed to do. And Obama will respond back defending his record.

It's better than calling him a drug dealer.

[MethuenProgressive]

35. Why are all FACTS about Obama's past called "negative"?

Because they are? :shrug:

[Catherine Vincent]

40. Well if Hillary is criticized for her record then so should Obama.

They're running for POTUS. They should be able to handle it.

[Lucinda]

41. There is no content up at either url.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

42. remember when people whined that Obama was "desperate"

well, dear friends and supporters of Hillary, what is this if not desperate?

[elizm]

48. Hmm...Now why would Hillary need to start site specifically designed to attack Obama?

How transparent is that?

[Major Hogwash]

52. As long as it is only on the internet, the MSM won't report on it.

No one will mention those attack sites in the MSM.

[incapsulated]

54. As long as she owns up to it

It's no different than a negative ad, really.

Look, she plays hardball and he is no angel anymore, either.

It's a move that may well hurt her, however.

[annie1]

55. Seems fair enough to me. And if he's worth his weight, it won't have any effect on him

[hayu_lol]

56. This failure to vote, no matter the reason, in Illinois or in Washington...

or to vote present...is not what these people are being paid to do.

Despite that, the big bombshell is about to hit Obama from California voters:

KGO San Francisco, Christine Craft tonight let loose the news that Obama is considering The Gropinator as part of his cabinet.

This will be in the program archives at KGO:

http://www.kgo.com

Christine also had Elizabeth De La Vega on tonight as a guest. La Vega wrote the book on Bush and his lawbreaking a year ago.