Anyone But a Republican

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I will do absolutely ALL I can do to make this a reality. I don't care if Mike Gravel gets the nomination; I don't care if it's Hillary, Obama, Edwards, or any of the other possible candidates--it doesn't fucking matter in the end.

THIS is the only election that I feel that way about. 2004 was similar, but then it was the moron-in-chief we had to beat. This year, it's ANY puke who is the nominee. If we don't win this election, we might as well all draw out a rusty razor blade and cut our collective wrist, because the America we knew and grew up in will be irretrieveably GONE.

This same kind of horrendous arguing went on here at DU 4 years ago, too, but in the end, everyone rallied around John Kerry and helped to get him elected. But we forgot how evil and nasty the pukes were, and how they weren't going to let a little thing like winning the election stop them from re-putting Bush back into the white house. WE did everything we thought we needed to do, but we didn't go far enough. THIS time we have to go beyond the ordinary and push an extraordinary agenda in order to put ourselves in a place where there is NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER as to who's boss.

If some people can't handle that, why are you here? If you aren't here to get a Democrat into the white house, you should consider yourself an obstacle, not an ally. And obstacles are meant to be overcome and ultimately ignored.

[still_one]

1. Fine, but I hope you don't mind if I work hard to get my candidate Dem nominated in the primary

Otherwise, I couldn't agree more with your point, and as for those who cannot understand that, I would like to point out it is the Supreme Court!!!

[Bobbieo]

2. Fine!!! As long as yu don't try to destroy my candidate in the process.

But wait a minute still_one,I don't have a candidate, as yet- I really don't!!!

[still_one]

8. excellent /nt

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. BRAVO! Anyone but a Republican is EXACTLY how I feel about it!

I'm sick and tired of whiny people who, if they can't get EXACTLY what they want, they will throw out the baby with the bathwater.

I don't much like Sen. Clinton as a candidate. My fave is Edwards. But you BET I'll vote for *ANYONE* nominated by the Democrats. I will not have a Republican again. Period!

[mmonk]

4. Yes.

They CANNOT win the executive branch in 2008. We MUST make sure of that.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

5. Count me in on this fight...

We simply must elect a Dem to the White House next year...

Even John Dean agrees...

I will vote for whoever our nominee is...

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6. Thought I'd kick this

since I'm heading for bed. :hi:

[TriMetFan]

7. Well said!

we have to stop the Repukes.

[Yuugal]

9. and that is the rub

Hmmm. The problem with your statement is that I don't vote democrat because I want to help democrats get elected. I vote democrat because I hope they will support my views and maybe even help my family and others through the corporate imposed hard times most families in my economic group are going through. Since my whole life has been spent voting dem, I used to be as you are now. I voted my party, right or wrong. Over the years things have changed since those bygone days of 1984 when I cast my first vote for Mondale.

For one thing, politicians of both parties seem to have much less shame when it comes to lying to us and stealing from us now than they did back then. Then there is the issue of corporate money owning most of the candidates and in fact owning the whole damn govt. Finally, for me, the wealth distribution situation is much worse now than back then.

The Clinton years weren't a total nightmare, but the evil those 2 "corporate-friendly" DLC guys gave us, in the form of nafta, is still destroying this country and hurting people like me. I still voted for Gore in 2000, but that was when the knee-jerk party loyalty crap went right out the window for me. To my mind, Gore was the best out of the 3 running (never trusted Nader and still don't), so Gore got my vote. In 2004 I liked Kerry(liked Dean more) and he got my vote.

So here we are in 2008. Out of the whole Democratic field of candidates, I wanted UFO guy. Angry old man, hair plugs, haircut, and the rest didn't bother me that much and will earn every bit of help I can give this time around if they get the nod. There is only one candidate we could run who I could never support. Thats SHillary. She is not for my family. If she was, she would say so. She has not promised anything new or apologized for anything old. This is the lady who voted for stuff like the Patriot Act and the Iraq war and blank check after blank check for it. She is part of the gang of spineless Dem's who in the last 2 yrs have managed to cave on almost everything. She promises to "revise and review" nafta but alas, when I run that through my Newspeak translator it comes back: "usual dog and pony show.....see also: bi-partisan commission".

As I see it, my 2 beautiful little girls, 7 and 12, don't have a goddam chance in this country. I can barely manage to feed, clothe, and house them and there just isn't anything left to save for their college. So in 5 yrs when my oldest shows me the usual streak of A's she gets and mentions she needs to start applying for colleges, I get to break the bad news to her. "Sorry kid, but since we are barely above subsistence poor line, we don't qualify for any aid and since we are dirt poor and have no savings you aren't going." For millions of American kids like mine, the story will be the same: a life of "paper or plastic?" or "would you like fries with that?" or "welcome to Slave-Mart". I'll never understand why the govt cant see that education always pays for itself in the end because better educated people make more money AND PAY MORE TAXES.

My kids and millions of other kids are tied to the track and I can hear the corporatist express speeding towards them at 90 miles an hour. If you were me, would you vote for a corporatist; the same people whose plan it is to give their families all the wealth and leave us serfs with nothing? These people don't give a damn what happens to us. After 42 years on this planet I can spot them a mile away by what they say, what they do, and how much corporate money they take. I've also learned from Pelosi and Reid that anything can be taken "off the table", and I've taken the liberty of expanding that concept to include my vote for people who talk a good game but would never bother to help me because I can't match the million dollar check they just cashed from GE. At this point in history I have one chance to help my kids and that is this election. If I fail, then we must leave the country and hope a civilized nation that has college for all will take us in. The stakes are really high for me and mine and if you are comfortable and secure and other issues are more pressing to you, then by all means vote for the corporatist.

Just please, all of the SHillary people and party knee-jerkers, understand that things are different for millions of us this time. The Bush years have pushed the working class to the brink and we cant afford to take a chance that the corporatist MAYBE, POSSIBLY will throw us a bone. We need a populist NOW and if we can't get one than we need to let the other guys win again so maybe we can get one in 4 yrs and possibly our kids could still goto college and have a chance at the American Dream.

So lets go back to your statement: "If you aren't here to get a Democrat into the white house, you should consider yourself an obstacle, not an ally." If my strategy for helping my kids and this nation interferes with one of the wings of the corporate partys' objectives. So be it. I never wanted to be an ally to them anyway. My party is actually the democratic wing of the democratic party and although the machines are beeping and the prognosis is grim, perhaps we are not dead yet. Guess we'll see on the 3rd.

"And obstacles are meant to be overcome and ultimately ignored."

The obstacle of corporate money turning my party into mush has been ignored too long. You act like people like me will be leaving the party if we don't vote for Shillary if she's nominated. The fact is the party mostly stands with the money interests and has for a long time now, and it is they who will be leaving me if SHillary is the nominee.

[newblewtoo]

13. Sad but true commentary

Yours is a sad but true commentary on what many of us feel is happening to the party. It wasn't that scream that killed Dean, it was the DLC. Win at any cost with a corporate candidate is not the answer I am looking for.

[Perry Logan]

10. We are in a state of civil war. This isn't over till every Republican is driven out of America.

[DCKit]

11. Could the Republicks, in our wildest dreams, have come up with a worse field of candidates?

Or the Dem's the best group we've had in decades? Well, three of them, anyway.

That said, yeah we need to rally, but no, we did elect a Democrat in 2004; And in 2000. The problem was we didn't have the numbers that would have made the theft of those elections completely implausible and so incredibly obvious that nobody would accept Dumbya's claim to the throne or the Supremes act of heresy in appointing him to it.

The gains we made in 2006, the exodus from the Republick potty and the anger of the voters at being lied to, betrayed and trampled are only going to work in our favor in 2008. Let's also hope we elect enough non-corporate Dems to both houses of Congress to put a real scare into the DLC's lapdogs and shift the leadership positions to people who will lead.

[MethuenProgressive]

12. Unlike Edwards, I don't think "it's a lie and Democrat is better then any Republican.'

And unlike Edwards, I'll support our nominee -whoever it is- even if it's Edwards.