PRO-CLINTON GROUP DISGUISING ITS ATTACK?

[babylonsister]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/19/526774.aspx

PRO-CLINTON GROUP DISGUISING ITS ATTACK?

From NBC/NJ's Carrie Dann

Some of the first negative mail in Iowa on the Democratic side is out, and it's anti-Obama. A new direct mail piece from the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) accuses that: "For those without insurance, Barack Obama's band-aid solution is no change at all."

On the reverse side, the text of the mailer continues, arguing that Obama "claims his health care plan covers everyone, but his proposal does not match his words... Instead, Obama took the timid way out, offering yet another band-aid solution."

"Barack Obama's plan," it concludes, is just more of the same."

Here's the kicker, though: The piece quotes Edwards from a Sioux City Journal article in November saying that that "as many as 15 million Americans would be without coverage" under Obama's plan.

But, as it turns out, AFSCME is backing Clinton. In fact, even though Clinton and her campaign have been arguing for the past month that Obama's health-care plan doesn't insure everyone, Clinton's name isn't mentioned once on the flier. The Edwards quote makes it appear to be a slam by the Edwards team.

This tactic, it seems, could be intended to deflect the distaste that most voters have for direct attacks -- even those that are policy based. But those in the know might think that this new negative mail is Iowa Nice playing a little dirty.

[Evergreen Emerald]

1. So, it is a flyer about a valid issue in the campaign, and it addresses

a comment made by Edwards, and that is a bad thing, because?


Dang, what a baby Obama is.

[joeybee12]

2. Yeah...

...now if the flyer had said, "John Edwards, who diddles around with his campaign staff and impregnates them said that 15 million..."

THEN you got a case.

[Donnachaidh]

6. links for proof of this nonsense?

Got someone to read the Enquirer to the Hillbots?

[joeybee12]

9. Did my lack of using the sarcasm emoticon confuse you?

Please...I said IF, and I was clearly responding to the OP who said this was an attack..its SOP for politics...nothing more.

[liberalnurse]

14. If it , a flyer,said Edwards is Black and Obama is Chinese

and they both are illegal aliens from Mexico....then what? We still have a case based on your acute evidential research abilities to make a case.:eyes: :smoke:

[William769]

3. And of course they try to blame Hillary.

Theres another group that does the same thing to the Clinton's when they have nothing left to fall back on (I wonder what group that could be?).

[liberalnurse]

5. They sure are big with the drama!

[Donnachaidh]

7. My my -- I smell Rove

Must have been a seminar for the Roids within the last few days.

[liberalnurse]

8. No, you smell

a poopy diaper....Ya know, you just might want to check, see if it's yours.:shrug:

[niceypoo]

29. Rove? LMAO - this is about as thin skinned as one can get

This is the most pathetic, crybaby thread Ive ever seen. Gawd what is Obamas campaign coming to if this sets them spinning? And I thought the Clinton nuts were sensitive.....lol geeze

[niceypoo]

30. When I read the original post I almost fell out of my chair

This is an, attack? Oh my god. The wheels must really be coming off of Obamas support wagon. I feel sorry for Obama, his support base is basically coming apart emotionally. Its like they are in the throes of an ongoing nervious breakdown.

OMFGGG!

[MadBadger]

4. The Clinton camp realizes that if would rather have Edwards win

[rAVES]

10. Heh. and isnt Shills plan just the dogs bollox...

[Cha]

16. You really do have

a lot to offer..

"All I have to offer is my hot Shitknife"

[K Gardner]

11. HRCs desperation never surprises and the underhanded tactics

have only begun. Cheers to the "change agent".

[Evergreen Emerald]

12. What? How is addressing the issue an underhanded tactic?

[K Gardner]

13. Sell it somewhere else. Not buying here.

[Evergreen Emerald]

15. short smart ass quips really get us no where on a discussion board

And make you look....oops...I don't want to be banned.

[ccpup]

17. when you have nothing else,

resort to the condescending, short "quip".

Remember, we're not supposed to bring up valid questions about either Obama's or Edwards' policy positions, their shortcomings and obvious oversights and flaws. It's considered "desperation" to do so. That tactic is only considered "brilliant politics" and "common sense" when it's done against Hillary.

(DU Rule Book, page 47, Section B, subsection C-1, paragraphs 1-3)

for those overly-sensitive types who feel angry and tired because they're the "most scrutinized", I'll add one of these :sarcasm:

[Forkboy]

18. Um...wasn't that a short, smart ass quip?

It's a funny ole world.

[K Gardner]

20. Yes, but what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander.. oops, another quip !

[K Gardner]

19. Another congenial HRC supporter using personal attacks. Apple doesn't fall far.. oops..

was that a quip? Excuse me if I choose not to spend a great deal of time with HRC TPMs.

[msongs]

21. depends on whether the claims are TRUE. if true, no harm no foul nt

[Lucinda]

33. Yup.

[bigdarryl]

22. Who said EVERYONE wants free health care Clinton claims her plan covers everyone well as....

a government state worker my plan covers me so why do i want her messing with that.

[ThatPoetGuy]

23. Oh right --

it's unfair to poor Obama, to point out that his health care plan won't help poor people. It's unfair to say anything negative but true about his policies.

Obama has claimed that his policy covers all Americans. He was lying.

His policies are the worst on our side. Kucinich is the most progressive, followed by Edwards. Obama is the most right-wing. He eagerly announces that insurance companies will be allowed to participate in and lobby for health policies -- and you Obama supporters, with your ivory tower and your parents paying your tuition and your insurance, have never talked to a poor person in your lives, so you swallow it all down.

[CoffeeCat]

24. I can't wait until that witch leaves our state...

I'm sure there will be plenty of Hillborgs willing to stick up for her
on this. They'd stick up for her if she said she wanted to invade Michigan.

Hillary is attacking Obama--and making it appear as if Edwards is attacking Obama.

AFSCME endorsed Clinton. I'm in Iowa and I rec'd another "flyer" from them that
praised Hillary. That's fine. Candidates get endorsements.

What's not fine is that Hillary is using surrogates to engage in activities that
she knows will directly hurt Obama AND Edwards.

The well-known mantra here in Iowa is that we hate it when candidates fight. It's
true. We just want to hear your plans. It's ok to compare and contrast, but sandbox
fights are as welcome as nuclear waste in our backyards. So, she's going to create
a false cat fight between the two frontrunners who are kicking her polyester-clad ASS!

What a scurrilous, underhanded dog she is!

Get ready New Hampshire, because the attack-mongering, out-of-touch, unable-to-connect
Hillary train is coming to a neighborhood near you! You'll get what we're getting now--her
new-and-improved, reinvigorated "I swear to God I'm a human being!" tour across the cornfields.

After months of campaigning here, she ran some polls and discovered that people don't
like her. So now, we get this endless eyelash-batting and perky talk. It's like
she's running for Prom Queen!

It's just awful. You have no idea.

Please. Someone. Save us from the bad lady.

[robinlynne]

34. You are hilarious Iowan!

[Elidor]

25. Hillary would never do something like that

And if she did, it must mean that it's okay!

:sarcasm:

[jenmito]

26. I heard Hillary using the term "band-aid" in describing Obama's health-care plan...

I don't remember if she used his name when saying that or if she just said "my opponent's plan..." but the "band-aid" reference should give it away that it was from Clinton's camp.

[AtomicKitten]

27. there will be no poo left unflung from Camp Clinton before this is over

[niceypoo]

28. This is an "Attack"?

Are Obama supporters really this thin skinned? Grow a pair please or find a new hobby.

[Lucinda]

32. Naw....it's just diversions

Happens a lot when his policy problems are pointed out or questioned

[ClarkUSA]

31. How Rovian of the Clintonians.

What an Hillaryous trick. I hope this is getting air time in Iowa. One hopes Edwards and Obama denounce Hillary's dishonest tactics, too.

[maximusveritas]

35. Nice, she gets to go negative against Obama while blaming it on Edwards

and she can just blame it on the union if they get found out. She's on the top of her game now politically.

[eridani]

36. Clinton's isn't any better

Kucinich has the only real health care plan.

[oasis]

37. Since AFSCME chooses not to back the hot shot, visionary O, it's an attack by Hillary.

:eyes:

[Tellurian]

39. Will Obama send out an apology for misleading Iowans

on his NOT so Universal Health Care Plan?

I would think it's about time he drops the draws of deception and comes clean on his Health Care issue.

[DCKit]

38. Apparently nobody got the memo that Iowans DETEST negative campaigning. n/t