Top Dean dude talks to Kerry peeps

[mrgorth]

from Sunday's Philly Inquirer:

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Mark Aronchick, a prominent Philadelphia lawyer and Democratic fund-raiser, shares the intensity. Talking about Bush, he could barely sit still:

"I haven't seen this kind of anger and disdain directed at a president since the worst days of Richard Nixon. Bush is playing to base fears. He has a contemptible pseudosincerity. Our anger is that fundamental. It is primal. These are evil forces we're up against. I'm 54 years old, a mature person, and I mean what I'm saying - there's a heart of darkness. And they're getting away with it."
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Dean, however, is another wild card. Democrats know that unity will not be fully achieved until Dean and his diehards are brought to the table. The party wants to channel the Deaniacs' grassroots prowess. Right now, there are all sorts of backstage emissaries - Aronchick, who was Dean's codirector in Pennsylvania, has been conferring with Kerry counterparts - and Dean himself must be mollified.
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Let's hope something is worked out. Failure is not an option. Save the country.

[On the Road]

1. Interesting. Link?

Or is this just from the paper version?

[AntiCoup2K4]

2. Failure is not an option

Which is why we can't have a weak pathetic Bushwhore PNAC front FAUX funded Bonesman for a nominee.

[bigtree]

12. portable loudspeakers blasted the opening stanzas of "Street Fighting Man"

"Whether intended or not, the lyrics were perfect: "Where I live, the game to play is compromise solution."

Just no place for a street fighting man . . .

[BL_Zebub]

15. And the more appropriate Jagger/Richards lyric for a Bush - Kerry contest

Spare a thought for the stay-at-home voter
His empty eyes gaze at strange beauty shows
And a parade of the gray suited grafters
A choice of cancer or polio:evilfrown:

[mrgorth]

3. link

Sorry. Link is:
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/8009052.htm

America Votes | A party surprised by a rare harmony

[IndianaGreen]

4. Screw Kerry! Dean should endorse Edwards!

The Dean mailing lists are not for sale to anyone, particularly to someone as unacceptable as John Forbes Kerry.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

5. Sorry Howard Brush Dean III

was found unacceptable in Iowa and New Hampshire and ....

[IndianaGreen]

7. And people in Indiana have yet to vote in the primary

and Indiana is more urban and industrial than ethanol-happy Iowa and New Hampshire.

Hoosiers don't like being told who to vote for, particularly by members of the Eastern estalishment.

[sangh0]

27. Why are you deserting DK for a pro-war Dem?

For months you've argued that we should support DK. Now you are betraying him for a pro-war candidate. Why?

[burning bush]

9. Unnaceptable Roll Call:

Dean was found unnacceptable by:
The DLC
DU
The Media Whores
The Media Owners
Push Poll victims
and the Kerry molls inside his campaign

Despite the all out assasination attempts on Dean's campaign, Dean was foun extremely acceptable in every state in which he campaigned, and the race isn't over, so talk to me about electability on November 5th

BTW - Don't be surprised when Dean picks up some delegates on Feb 27th :)

And, if I should be so bold, don't be surprised at anything else that happens on or around that date either ;).

[flpoljunkie]

6. You have a thing for faux populists. do you. Edward's Senate record.

l. Voted to send waste to Yucca Mountain, 7/9/02 (environmentally unsound)

2. Voted for the Energy Act of 2003, 7/31/03 (incredible giveaway to energy companies)

3. Voted against increasing reliance on renewable energy, 3/14/02

4. Voted to subsidize insurance to nuclear plants (billions of our taxpayer dollars)

5. Voted for the egregious bankruptcy bill of 3/15/01 (giveaway to banks and credit card companies)

6. Voted for fast track final passage, 5/23/02

7. Voted for the China Trade Deal, 9/19/00 (where most US jobs have since gone)

Yet, John Edwards is now presenting himself as a raging populist who will look out for the "regular folks". With this voting record in the Senate, he looks like a "Johnny- come-lately."

[IndianaGreen]

8. Personality wise, I like Edwards and I loath Kerry

On the all-important issue of character, I trust Edwards far more that I can trust the flip-flopping, double-talking, nuanced-to-death Kerry.

[Cuban_Liberal]

17. Welcome to the "I loathe John Kerry" club.

The number here at DU is sunstantial, and growing. :)

[flpoljunkie]

18. You like those smooth talking trial lawyers, who channel their plaintiffs.

Edwards has now taken to channeling "regular folks" on the campaign trail. Some fall for this kind of rhetoric; others look at Edward's voting record which belies his populist rhetoric-- born on the presidential campaign trail in January with his first speech on the 'two Americas."

[NewYorkerfromMass]

19. And that is how Bush beat Gore

congratulations, you have just endorsed the "have a beer with my candidate" line of thinking.

[sangh0]

29. IG used to think Edwards was a liar

but that was before Dean crashed and burned and Kerry took off.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=113055#115302

"All of the strife in DU about which candidate said what and when has reinforced the view that the only straight shooter, and the only real liberal of the bunch, is Dennis Kucinich."

But now, IG will say anything and justify it with her hatred of all things Kerry

[burning bush]

10. Hey, Mr Gorth?

Since you are no longer in the Dean camp, don't you think it's time to take down your Dean avatar?

Why not just go Kerry all the way?

You're confusing some people that might think Dean supports Kerry, and there is ZERO evidence of that.

[mrgorth]

11. Why don't you make me?

[burning bush]

23. Ooooh!

Nice comeback. :silly:

[MostlyBlackCat2]

21. your avatar's a dead guy, why should he take down Dean?

why should he take down his Dean poster when you've got a pic of a dead guy on yours? Maybe leaving Dean up there will make some of you think about WHY we supported Dean - and why so many Dean supporters will probably now vote for Nader (present company excluded though). But honestly, what will it take for the DNC and the party in general to wake up and realize that running someone just two shades of gray lighter than dubya will NOT make people come out and vote?? Did we learn NOTHING from 2000?? People who never even voted before have supported Dean in this campaign, and many supported Nader in the last one. Destroying Dean only made them that much more disenfranchised. I'm sorely tempted to vote my conscience this time, and then vote with my feet and move to Canada the day after.

[burning bush]

22. Think about what you wrote, please?

It's not like Dean and Jefferson were opponents in the primary, and right after Jefferson savaged Dean's campaign I'm up here saying "Hey Dean supporters -Join up with Jefferson, the guy who screwed your candidate!"

Duh!

I AM a Dean supporter, quite a rabid one, actually. And I just don't see why Dean should be associated with Kerry in this way. All they have in common is that they want a Dem in the Whitehouse - after that they differ enormously, having opposed views as to what it means to be a Dem.

And honestly, I can't understand what an ex-Dean supporter would SEE in Kerry. You want to beat Bush? Fine. You want to be ABB? Fine, but pick why try to act like you still support Dean?

Even Dean has said that he preffered Edwards over Kerry. Why doesn't MrGorth promote Edwards if he's such a Dean diehard? Better yet, why isn't he out promoting Dean? Dean is still on all the ballots, and has asked his supporters to still vote for him in the primary so that we can send delegates to the convention. If Gorth supports Dean's message, why isn't he trying to have that message voiced in the convention?

Why?

[Cuban_Liberal]

13. I wonder why he's arranging a private meeting with JRE?

That would be a meeting between Dr. Dean himself and Sen. Edwards, not a meeting between couple of flunkies...:evilgrin:

[mzmolly]

16. LOL.... I honestly think Dean prefers Edwards as he said he did.

But, I think he is discussing a *possible* endorsement if/when Edwards agrees to carry forward with some of the goals of the Dean campaign?

Just speculation on my part...

I also wonder about an Edwards/Dean ticket? I dunno??? :freak:

[Cuban_Liberal]

26. Could happen. See this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=388169&mesg_id=388169

[mzmolly]

14. Interesting Article Mrgorth. I'm glad they recognize that WE are a voice

to be reckoned with...

"The betting among Democrats is that most Deaniacs, still focused on Bush, will gravitate to the compromise solution. That's what labor has done. The Teamsters were at the AFL-CIO lovefest, singing Kerry's praises, even though Kerry voted to block oil drilling in the Alaskan wilderness (they wanted it), and voted for the North American Free Trade Agreement (they opposed it).

No wonder the Bush camp is getting restless. Rath, the Republican official, says so: "There are a lot of Americans who like this President a lot, and we need to start telling our story, get assertive. So let's get going."

"The Republicans are coming," said Jenny Backus, the national Democratic strategist. "You can almost hear the thump of their boots. We have to make sure our defenses are up, and not divided. The American revolutionaries weren't always unified, but they came together because they were fed up with King George."

Buh Bye King George. :hi: ;)

I do hope that Kerry and or Edwards will take up some of our Key issues, and appoint Dean to a cabinet position *provided a miracle doesn't occur* and Dean is of course Prez....

[artr2]

20. As long as we stay with Dean, we are being listened to!

They don't know what the hard core Dean people are going to do. If we are going to stay with Dean or go to another candidate. I am staying with Dean and and I will continue to send him money, go to meetups and work my neighborhood. The stronger Dean goes into the convention, the more we will be listened to!


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[burning bush]

24. Exactly!

That's exactly how to support Dean. Make sure his message is heard at the convention.

THANKS YOU ARTR2! :yourock:

[slinkerwink]

25. I'm glad they recognize we need to be brought to the table, and that

they accede to what we really want in our nominee.

[Cuban_Liberal]

28. Kerry 'gofer' talks to Dean 'gofer', you mean?

Here's where the REAL talk is going on:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=388169&mesg_id=388169