This "Deaniac" is supporting Kerry...I'm down with ABB

[mrgorth]

Yes, I'm upset that it's not Dean winning all the primaries. Yes, I think he would've been a better candidate. Yes, I'm pissed about the media and assuming that Kerry had anything to do with the Osama ad. I could keep going. Bottom line, I like Kerry better than Edwards. I can't explain it. Maybe it's the 'Nam protesting. Maybe it's fighting Ray-gun on central America. Maybe I see John Edwards as trying to emulate Bill Clinton by doing whatever is popular. Whatever it is, I like Kerry better and I want to take the Bush admin down so bad I feel nauseas. Check out this article:

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/nation/8009064.htm

<snip>
The President has raised more than $144 million for his reelection effort, more than four times the total raised by President Clinton for his 1996 reelection run and roughly five times the amount raised by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, front-runner for this year's Democratic nomination. And Kerry has spent most of his already.

Bush's campaign organization is equally impressive. At least three dozen paid campaign workers have been dispatched to 13 key battleground states, where they have lined up campaign leaders in every county and at least 7,000 precincts.
<snip>

And of course there's the Pryor recess appointment of Friday, always on a Friday. We get into too much hating on this board. I've been saying for years now that I'd vote for a sweaty sock vs. Bush. So the most likely nominee is a New England liberal endorsed by Ted Kennedy? A guy that protested 'Nam after he faught there? And I'm gonna say "not good enough"? No. If Bush gets reelected I'll want to move or revolt. I'll take Kerry for now and use a protest vote the next time the 'pugs run John McCain or some other non-monster. Bush must be stopped. Time to put up.

[Adelante]

1. Time to put up, mrgorth

So true. This is not playtime. I'm glad you settled your mind, if not your heart.

:toast:

[Walt Starr]

2. Even though I will be closer politically to Ralph Nader

I gotta go with The Ham Sandwich (D).

I'll revisit my stances in 2008.

[mrgorth]

4. Me too Walt

I was a Green that registerd Dem for Dean. I'm a Dean Democrat, and Dean wants us to get Bush out. We have to save the country. This is a compromise for me too.

[mzmolly]

24. Wow MrG, I didn't know you were a Former Green for Dean....

Some words of wisdom from Granny D...

"In the 2004 presidential election, we must not split our vote between Greens and Democrats. I know the Greens have party building to do, but, if Mr. Bush wins again, there will be no America for them to build their party in. So they must defer this time and earn our respect and admiration for doing so." ~ Granny D March 8, 2003

This was in my sigline for a while, I may bring it back...

[Eloriel]

28. Not much of a Dean supporter, as I've noted well before this

Dean is asking supporters (authentic supporters) to vote for him in the primaries. You do nothing for yourself by supporting Kerry at this point -- he doesn't need your vote NOW. The more delegates Dean wins, the more his influence at the convention.

IF you were a Dean supporter you'd understand that and continue supporting him until the nomination is secured by whomever.

[mzmolly]

29. How do you know what MrGorth is doing in the primaries?

And who are *you* to determine who is a Dean supporter?

[Eloriel]

34. He decided, not me

His words speak for themselves. Read them again.

[mzmolly]

40. I don't need to read them again. MrGorth decided *after* Dean

decided he was no longer pursuing the Presidency, to support John Kerry.

Additionally, I don't believe he mentioned the primaries in his OP.

Ya know, I tend to take a collective view of Mrgorths words on the subject of this race, and dare say he's one of the BEST DAMN DEAN SUPPORTERS I've ever come across!

However, *neither* of us are in a position to judge other Dean supporters as "authentic"/or not - "loyal"/or not ... at least not here.

[littlejoe]

39. Since when does Dean DESERVE any support at this point?

I used to support him, but the longer he ran the less I saw myself aligning with him. Are we not allowed to review our priorities and decide that we want to throw our support behind another candidate?

Some of you talk about freedom, but are first to criticize our freedom to change our support.

[emulatorloo]

9. Walt! - Check out this thread!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=385356

[Capn Sunshine]

26. I'm a ham sandwich Democrat also

But the primary isn't over YET

Could be pastrami

[BL_Zebub]

36. ABP

I didn't like the way Pastrami voted on the Dijon Mustard issue. Gonna have to go with Ham, and his likely running mate, Swiss.

[Capn Sunshine]

38. Its too early to count out pastrami

and Ham has consitently prevaricated on the mustard issue

[mzmolly]

42. I have a feeling were gonna get "bologna"

;) But it beats a knuckle sandwich, which is what we've got now ... :P

[littlejoe]

33. Walt, hypocrisy doesn't wear well on you.

[demnan]

3. I haven't decided yet

but I think you could say that state by state you make a different impact. If your state is close, vote for Kerry. If your state is Republican or Democratic solidly, vote your conscience.

I think a lot of the Naderites reasoned this the last time.

One way the Democrats could minimize this is to be inclusive toward the liberal democrats in the VP selection and platform.

Personally I think no matter what we do the Republicans will rig this thing so Bush will win.

[vi5]

The whole electoral college safe state thing doesn't jive for me..

As I've said if you want to vote Nader or Green go ahead. I'm not going to convince you. But this whole "safe state" thing definitely does not work.

One of the reasons the whole supreme court selection thing was allowed to happen with less outcry than should have been was because it was under a million votes. Imagine if even half those people who thought they were voting in "safe states" hadn't thought that way and voted as thought it was needed. It would have been much more of an outcry if it was a million popular votes lost or 2 million rather than just 500,000.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

16. Disagree- remember the popular vote totals "mean" something too.

Let's let them know we are unified in our hatred of them.

[Eloriel]

37. Now THERE'S a reason to be for Kerry

Personally I think no matter what we do the Republicans will rig this thing so Bush will win.

And what will they say about Mr. Electability THEN?

Of course, with a Kerry nomination, that alone will likely depress turnout and help ensure any Bush vote rigging be more successful. So it's a toss-up.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

5. Thank you

I really appreciate this post. I don't understand how a protest vote solves or proves anything this time around. Bush has continually pissed on everything we hold dearly here, and to say there's no difference between likely nominee Kerry and Shrub is merely laughable.

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[Kolesar]

7. You can add Kerry's environmental voting record to your first paragraph

He also advocated increasing CAFE standards for autos.

I still have one week to make up my mind how to vote. I must admit, that "two Americas" commercial I saw by Mr. Edwards looked like a pretty darn good message. I still also kind of have an affection for those earnest Dean candidates I saw at the Ohio caucus and want to vote for them.

[littlejoe]

35. Hey man, I love your handle. Drop me an e-mail

[CWebster]

8. not me, mrgorth

I will never reward Kerry with a vote.

[emulatorloo]

10. Well, reward me, then

cuz I just cannot take 4 more years of GWB. And reward the people who are in a hell of a lot worse shape than me.

[CWebster]

19. you can dig your own grave without me. nt

[emulatorloo]

25. I am glad you are in the in the Bush-favored top economic percent

because that is the only way I can interpret your response.

[mrgorth]

12. I hate to sound like the Kerry-folk

but when they put you in a camp for writing the wrong thing or take your kids, or friend's kids to fight a war for oil, look in the mirror and see pettiness. That is why we will become a fascist state.

[CWebster]

20. We become a fascist state

when the powers that be herd people and those who know better become complacent.

[AntiCoup2K4]

14. Nor will I.

And once again, I maintain that the man's so called "liberal" record is completely useless as he has done nothing "liberal" to oppose the unelected fascist frauds occupying the White House.

[flpoljunkie]

11. Thank you, mrgorth. You are a man with his eyes wide open.

Welcome. Ben Franklin was right. When Ben was walking out of the last session of the convention, a woman from Philadelphia stopped him on the street, and said, "Dr. Franklin, what have you produced?" And he said, "A republic—if you can keep it."

We are going to fight like hell to reclaim our democracy in November and vote the Bushco bastards out of office--Congress included!

[virtualobserver]

13. I have to say that I am in the same boat.

I've been listening to the Audio book of Al Franken's "Lies and the lying liar's"...etc.

The Republicans are almost universally despicable.

They need to be politically body slammed.

The tag team of Kerry and Cleland might just be the pair to do it.
They made Saxby Chambliss look like the fool that he is yesterday


I met Cleland once in the Senate public bathroom as he emerged from the stall. That must be one hell of a powerful arm he has.

[emulatorloo]

27. Lying Liars really is a great book ; speaks a lot to recent DU isssues

I am so cheap that I just got around to buying it last month. . .it has been my "bible" through the recent Drudge nonsense.

[On the Road]

15. I Am Gradually Coming on Board with Kerry

or Edwards, if he manages to pull it off.

A year ago, most of us would have been satisfied with Kerry as the nominee. Primaries create rivalries which create hard feelings.

I liked Bradley in 2000 but came on board with Gore. That's a benefit of having a nominee chosen early.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

17. mrgorth, This "Clark for Kerry" would like to welcome you.....

aboard!

:bounce:

:kick:

[drfemoe]

18. Guess what?

EVERY vote is a protest vote. The act of voting is picking one choice over the more protested one. Many say they are going to vote to get rid of Bush. Wellll that's a PROTEST vote! In fact, it may just be the most obvious illustration of a protest vote.

Vote decisions pass each individual's unique awareness (consciousness) and value/belief system. NO ONE is on a higher road than others are on this point.

EVERYONE uses their own value system to determine lots of things, including which chad to attempt to poke through in the voting booth.

There is nothing wrong with honest attempts to persuade folks to your way of thinking. (not "you" personally - "you" in general)
But to my way of thinking, allowing each person/state/nation to live in peace and freedom, even when our beliefs don't match up exactly, is very much a liberal value. FWIW

But the larger question is when was the last time Repukes ran any thing less than a "monster"? (they didn't allow McCain to run) And, when do you think the next time might be?

[mrgorth]

22. The last time?

How about Bob Dole? Not my #1 choice for a president but not a monster by any stretch. If we crush Bush this year the thugs might put up a moderate 08 and if you want to vote for Nader against...oh, Lincoln Chaffee go for it.

[mmonk]

21. agree

"Time to put up."

[RandomKoolzip]

23. Right on! Another former Deaniac for Kerry.

We had a great field of candidates this election, but Dean was the one who spoke to me. His was the first campaign I'd ever given money to. And if you knew how much I make at my shitty McJob, you'd know that meant something.

But Kerry's record, apart from a few blemishes, is pretty damn good. Remember, he was the one who took the lead in investigating Iran Contra.

I realized when I was in my teens that politics is the art of compromise.

I still vote Green in local elections, because of my uneasiness with the two party system and corporate influence. But this election is too goddamn important to play "holier-than-thou" games.

I'll put it simply:

BUSH WANTS TO LEAD US INTO ARMAGEDDON. If you vote third party, and your votes end up stealing votes from the Dem candidate, you are dooming me and my family to this fate, and I will not forgive you.

[unfrigginreal]

30. I wish that I could join you but I don't think that I will

There is only one Party that my vote holds any influence over and that's the Democrats. The Republicans will always be vile to me and in the past that has been enough to vote D but after watching our congressfolks sell us down the river so many times in the past 3 years, I began to realize that my haphazard voting was contributing to the direction of our Party.

I still may change my mind about this before November but it seems unlikely to me at this point. It was not a decision that was made lightly.

[ronnykmarshall]

31. He's a Deaniac, Deaniac!!

Everytime I read that word, I have a "Flashdance" flasback!

[littlejoe]

32. Hallellujah! Another convert!

Glad to have you on board. Keep spreading the word.

[Uzybone]

41. Great decision

lets get that asshole Bush out of the WH!

[quinnox]

43. Logical

Seems some Dean people can see the big picture!

[littlejoe]

44. Thanks mgorth. glad to have you on board!

I posted this same article a few days ago, but it is the kind of article that needs to stay in the forefront, so more people will become Kerry supporters.