If Hillary wins Iowa, I predict this forum will self-destruct like never before

[Herman Munster]

It'll be fun to watch. :)

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. I'm not too worried.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

38. It survived Kerry Dean

I am sure it will hum along just fine whatever.

[zanne]

89. She had a chance until she turned into a clown....

With that witch-like fake laugh. Ugh. It really puts people off.

[Evergreen Emerald]

110. your sexist post puts people off.

[yourout]

2. So will the middle class.

[Capn Sunshine]

Woot!

great point lol

[journalist3072]

5. Grow up...you have no factual basis on which to make such a statement. Geez. Don't write checks

you can't cash.

[sniffa]

7. i enjoy your lectures to other DUers

sometimes i laugh so hard my sides hurt. :thumbsup:

[mtnsnake]

11. I've never seen her lose a "lecture" yet, my friend

[sniffa]

14. i didn't know lecturing someone was a contest that could be lost

undefeated in lecturing? that's hot. :thumbsup:

[Cha]

22. LOLOLOLOL!

:rofl: My :kick: OFF!

[mtnsnake]

39. It never takes much to humor you, does it

You need to get out once in a while!

[Cha]

42. Now he's rating

my sense of humor!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

118. "undefeated in lecturing"!

Classic.

[Major Hogwash]

71. So, you're blind in 1 eye and can't see out the other, eh?

Hahahaha - I've never seen her lose a "lecture" yet - what crap!

[mtnsnake]

78. Got a problem with your comprehension skills dude, or did the pork get in your eyes?

You calling anyone blind...now that's funny!

[niceypoo]

65. No factual basis? LMAO

Do you read here?

[wyldwolf]

77. I do, and there is no factual basis

[Stop Cornyn]

10. LOL!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[maddiejoan]

24. The middle class

having done so poorly under Bill Clinton
:sarcasm:

[HughBeaumont]

123. Hillary isn't Bill, this isn't 1996, and watch "The Big One" sometime.

Not all working people had a "peaches-and-cream" life under Clinton. Many manufacturers and assemblies moved out of the country during that time.

[JeffR]

58. Woot!

Oh, yes.

[sniffa]

3. if pigs fly i predict DU will close

oh, and you'll start another one of these threads. :thumbsup:

[Major Hogwash]

72. Flying ham sandwiches on your six!

If you don't vote for Hillary, that will mean the terrorists won!

Guess what?
All 4 of my cousins that live in Iowa are voting for someone other than Hillary.

Ain't that a shame!
*cue music*

[DCKit]

108. Nooooooo!!!! They'll split the vote and Ron Paul will win the Dem nomination!!! n/t

[Capn Sunshine]

4. "IF"? what happened to "when"

feeling vulnerable these days?

Out of curiosity, what happens if she LOSES (ie doesn't come in first) Iowa ?
Do we have to put up with the His44 crowd until Feb 5?

[blue neen]

6. I don't know. I'm kind of fond of the old place.

It's stronger than people who think it will self-destruct AND anyone who would enjoy watching such a thing.

[Cha]

25. Totally true,

blue neen! B-)

[mtnsnake]

8. and if Hillary gets the nomination, half this place will empty out and return to FR

[Capn Sunshine]

16. so what's keeping you?

If I was half the man I used to be, I'd take a flamethrower to this place

[niceypoo]

66. I am beginning to hope she wins the nomination...

Just to be rid of all the vitriol and haters that hang around here now. The Obama fans are turning the DU and the Democratic party into a sewer. The Edwards supporters seem to be a wee bit more rational. I say good riddance, let them go and start their own party.

[mtnsnake]

80. My thoughts exactly

The Obama fans are turning the DU and the Democratic party into a sewer. The Edwards supporters seem to be a wee bit more rational.

Yup. It's almost as if all the rightwing disruptors who had plans of coming to DU in disguise decided to come here and choose Obama as the candidate they'd hide behind together. What's even more disappointing is how many legitimate Obama supporters have joined with those troublemakers in their hateful anti-Clinton rhetoric and innuendo. Liberals, or any Democrats for that matter, just do not hate and lie like to the extent that those people do. Republicans do that.

Like you said, there is a difference between the Edwards supporters and the Obama supporters. The Edwards supporters, while they can be as protective about their candidate as anyone, are not only are more civil, but they're more real.

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[niceypoo]

87. vThe above arguement is a perfect example of what I am talking about.

LOGICAL FALLACIES 101

Fallacy: Ad Hominem

Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.

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[IA_Seth]

98. Classy post.

And one that will be deleted no doubt. Read the freakin rules already.

[mtnsnake]

88. I'm no rocket scientist but you're the last person on this forum who should be calling anyone dumb!

There's dumb, dumber, dumbest, and then there's Wolsh. Hope that helps...

[DutchLiberal]

97. Liberals oppose HRC because she's not a liberal. And you call those liberals "troublemakers".

[mtnsnake]

106. WTF? I didnt call any liberals troublemakers.I called the rightwing disruptors troublemakers. Gheesh

Here's what I said, right from that post:

It's almost as if all the rightwing disruptors who had plans of coming to DU in disguise decided to come here and choose Obama as the candidate they'd hide behind together. What's even more disappointing is how many legitimate Obama supporters have joined with those troublemakers

with "those troublemakers" being the rightwing disruptors. It's right there in plain English.

[DutchLiberal]

111. And you don't dismiss everybody who criticizes HRC as being "a rightwing disruptor"?

(And in case you are not: I'm sorry if I judged too quickly. In my defense: usually HRC-supporters *do* dismiss critics as being freepers.)

[sendero]

122. Funny...

... all I see are HRC supporters who cannot give one good example of anything HRC has actually accomplished other than blow Bill.

Folks who will accept her anti-war rhetoric in leiu of any actual action.

The Obama camp might be obnoxious, but the HRC camp are like Bushie deludinoids.

[ZinZen]

92. Wow, uh yeah..

great analysis. Get rid of the Obama and Edward supporters and Clinton will win with over 95% of the vote. There is a reason why some of us do not support Clinton hubris and Clinton supporter delusional delirium. IF Clinton wins the nomination you had better pray the Obama and Edward's supporters vote for her in the GE, not vice versa.

[ellisonz]

120. "The Obama fans are turning the DU and the Democratic party into a sewer."

Got money?

[onehandle]

9. I agree.

Kaboom!

Great fun indeed.

[JohnLocke]

12. Good thing that won't happen (nt).

[Bitwit1234]

13. Well the newbies will just leave

they only wanted a place to bash Hillary.

[sniffa]

15. i wish i could recommend all of your posts

they're that good. :thumbsup:

[Cha]

27. Recommend them

to whom?

[emilyg]

56. Some familiar names have left. Wish more would.

Go Hillary.

[sniffa]

85. i thought you liked Cuke?

:shrug:

[Forkboy]

99. LOL

[youthere]

17. oh plbbbbt!

Hillary is not my favorite candidate but if she wins Iowa it will be well deserved. She's campaigned like crazy here, and worked her ass off. Same goes for Obama and Edwards. I won't piss in their Cheerios.

[Double T]

18. I disagree. All loyal DU Democrats will drink the Clinton kool-aid.......

and march lockstep into the sunset.

[Le Taz Hot]

23. Wanna bet?

:evilgrin:

[Double T]

29. Ahhh nope!

But take another sip, I'm sure it will eventually look better.

[Le Taz Hot]

40. Hey, I hated kool aid even as a kid.

And those goose-stepping boots? Never did fit right. ;-)

[Double T]

41. I'm sure the 'fruit punch' flavor will change your mind.

[Renew Deal]

19. Fun to watch? If you hate this place so much, you should leave.

[redqueen]

112. Why does it require hating DU?

Lots of people enjoy sitting on the sidelines and watching flamefest threads... I don't thint that means they hate DU.

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[FogerRox]

21. What happens if its

1)Edwards
2)Obama
3)Biden
4)Hillary

[maddiejoan]

26. I have my doubts she'll win Iowa

This board won't implode until Feb 5th --when Hillary walks off with all the marbles.

[loveangelc]

28. I dont know...

I was surprised when the Des Moines register endorsed her...after that I can't be surprised if she wins Iowa.

[maddiejoan]

36. Don't get me wrong. I hope she wins it

The way it is looking now, I'm betting Edwards wins it and Clinton takes second.

I think most DMR endorsees wound up taking second.

[loveangelc]

44. I actually think that could happen as well.

[youthere]

34. And if she wins the nomination I will work my butt off to make sure she wins...

I don't support her in the primary (I'm caucusing for Biden) but in the GE she's my lady.

[maddiejoan]

37. haha

I like Joe too -- and I applaud your decision.

Hillary is my lady, but I can't fault ya on going with Joe at all.

[TwilightZone]

30. It's already well on its way.

Some of the shit being posted is pretty unreal.

[antiimperialist]

31. The blogosphere survived the Dean debacle. We joined Kerry. We will join Hillary

Or whoever is the nominee for the Democratic party.

[info being]

74. Perhaps very passively

[ladjf]

32. This forum is "battle hardened" to bad news. It will continue to

be one of America's liveliest political forums regardless of what happens politically.

[calteacherguy]

33. You and your candidate have interesting ideas of "fun." nt

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[calteacherguy]

45. Wow.

Who let you out of the playpen?

[durrrty libby]

52. This is my xmas gift to you, Hope you appreciate it.

:toast: :party:

[MonkeyFunk]

35. Yes it will

I don't think she'll win Iowa, but I think she'll win the nomination. But winning Iowa would be sweet. I'll enjoy the explosion here.

[tammywammy]

63. I don't think she'll win Iowa

But could still win the nomination. I tend to think she'll lose Iowa, and it'll be nasty in here. If she pulls out NH then she can win it all. And if she wins NH it'll be nasty in here. :)

I think it's still a toss up overall. :shrug:

[ronnykmarshall]

96. I don't think she'll win Iowa either.

I think it will be Edwards w/ Hillary and Obama neck and neck for #2.

[mitchum]

46. Fuck! I thought that I already had you on ignore

taken care of now

[durrrty libby]

50. Why do people announce they are putting someone on ignore?

Why don't they just do it?

I don't get it, then again I don't put people on ignore.

I just scroll by the ones I find truly vile

[emilyg]

57. it makes them feel so powerrrrrfulllll.

[durrrty libby]

62. lol

:hi: :loveya:

[mitchum]

101. No, actually I was castigating myself...

for not doing something that I thought I had already done.
So, just how does self-castigation make one feel powerful?
You seem to have just as much insight into human behavior as you do insight into DLClinton's "progressivism"

[Kucinich4America]

47. What happens when Hillary comes in 4th in Iowa?

And 4th in New Hampshire? And dead last in South Carolina?

Will all the angry, desperate threads directed at other candidates the last few weeks stop, or double, as Camp Hillary melts down.......

[Hardrada]

49. Will the frustrated Hillbots go seek refuge in deserved

self-exile? And suck their thumbs until the next equinox?

[IndianaJones]

81. she'll still be 4 places ahead of your boy. nt.

[Catherine Vincent]

48. What do you mean?

Some are self-destructing already. Hillary running for POTUS was enough.

[snowbear]

51. Herman, sometimes you are really warped...

What a ridiculous comment.

Do you remember what happened here during the last presidential primary and Kerry's win in Iowa?

I could be wrong.. but I sure don't remember you being here.

Regardless of who wins or loses, DU will not self-destruct.

[babylonsister]

53. I predict Herman won't be on DU regardless of what happens.

But DU will survive!

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

54. Gawd wouldn't that be sweet! n/t

[sniffa]

79. ...

:rofl:

:loveya:

[DUgosh]

55. You've lasted since July 2006??

This board has been here strong way before then, and it will still be here when you :nuke:

[ClarkUSA]

60. Yeah, it seems most Clintonians here haven't been around too long...

In fact, some are very recent. Hmmm....

[Occam Bandage]

64. Lot of Edwardites, Obamites, and Bidenites are recent, too. Primaries attract newcomers.

Myself included.

[ClarkUSA]

69. They and you are not the kind of newcomers I'm talking about, OB

The ones I'm talking about are on, shall we say, a deliberate and calculated mission to mislead from nearly the moment they arrive.
They're quite obvious to the trained eye.

[DURHAM D]

102. "calculated mission to mislead" - Project much...? n/t

[Occam Bandage]

59. There will be anger and venting. The media will be blamed. The corporations will be blamed.

The party structure and party leadership will be blamed.

The Clintophobes will leave, the Clintonites will rejoice, and everyone else will roll up their sleeves and start focusing on November.

[JeffR]

61. Lamest post on DU in years

and clearly a violation of the spirit if not the letter of DU rules.

THIS is what your candidate boosterism has led you to? It may not reflect poorly on your candidate, but it makes you look an unholy fool.

[Bongo Prophet]

76. Thank you, JeffR. What is up with wishing DU ill? I LOVE my oasis here.

And the very many good people who have used this place as an island of sanity during this evil regime.

(by the way, I listened to some of your music - so nice. I do ambient/synth stuff myself, and your sound is dense and intriguing)

[JeffR]

94. Thanks

Where can I hear your music?

[Bongo Prophet]

103. I will PM you when I get my site up

Working on that between other (client) sites.
Early next year if I can get the time.
It will have samples from 30+ years of experimental to wierd pop.

[JeffR]

107. Looking forward to it!

[redqueen]

113. GD: P... an oasis?

:spray:

[Bongo Prophet]

117. HEEHEE - I meant DU as a whole. And judging optimistically!

I try to stay upbeast around the winter solstice!

Your cthulhohoho-elf is so cute, it makes me laugh each time I see it, redqueen.

:cheers:


edit to say, maybe I meant upbeat or maybe I DID mean upbeast.
Who knows what shadows lurk...

[CyberPieHole]

67. A cataclysm of biblical proportions will ensue...

and, yes, it would be amusing.:evilgrin:

[FlyingSquirrel]

68. I'm gonna go build an ark just in case.

I already have 2 cats and a dog, but none of them will be able to propagate their species...

[wiley]

70. We'll definitely hear even more outrageous accusations. I doubt

certain candidates' supporters will be very gracious. It will be like a therapy session for those who know no better than to have a tantrum and splatter their issues all over everyone else. It won't be fun to watch and I have no intention of doing so. I've seen the most ridiculous hyped up predictions and hope and desperation poured into polls. As long as Rudy gets what is coming to him for his lying and exploitation, whoever wins Iowa will move on to New Hampshire, then South Carolina. That's the way it works.

[info being]

73. No, they'll just change the name

to the Democratic Mainstream

[LaPera]

75. Not a chance!

[Hippo_Tron]

82. I'd say that's going to happen regardless of who wins Iowa

One of the reasons I'm planning on getting drunk and watching CNN with friends that night instead of posting on DU.

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[mmonk]

84. Possibly.

Like the party nationally.

[BringBigDogBack]

90. Don't think you've got much to worry about.

[MethuenProgressive]

93. No big deal, there's only a few dozen hardcore HillHaters in DU's Hatewing.

You might see hundreds of HillHateWing posts a day, but they're all from a relativly small subset of DUers.

[Forkboy]

100. DU's self destruction is a GREAT thing to root for alright!

Idiot.

[redqueen]

114. I think the OP just means flamefests... not DU literally vanishing in a puff of smoke. (nt)

[IndianaGreen]

104. I don't know about this forum, but the Democratic Party will experience a major schism

The schism will not come if Hillary wins the nomination. The schism will come several months into Hillary Clinton's first year in office, when people realize her policies are a sugar coated version of the neocons.

The Left will pressure Hillary to dismantle Bush's police state and its gulag. Hillary will refuse. The civil war will begin!

[Gloria]

105. Or either fade away as a lot of oldtimers just quit politics for good...

[robcon]

109. DU self-destruct? Unlikely! Lively disagreements? Certainly!

I can't wait.

[rocktivity]

115. She'll have to win by at least five points to turn it into momentum

if she squeaks by on less than that, it will only fire up the Obama and Edwards supporters.

:headbang:
rocknation

[LanternWaste]

116. When the primaries are over and the Democratic nominee is announced...

When the primaries are over and the Democratic nominee is announced-- whoever that nominee may be, there will be a lot of people who simply leave DU-- and good fucking riddance to 'em, too.

Maybe a week or two of some melodramatic gnashing of teeth, maybe a month of some good old fashioned righteous indignation, and then...

And then we can all concentrate on the real enemy once again-- remember them? Neo-Cons... the one's who are ruining our planet, our future and our reputation?

Yeah-- I know, it's the primaries-- and I'll cut a little slack to all the suckers and hacks who carp on the negatives of other candidates rather than the positives of their own (and, let's be honest here-- DU'er who actually do that really are suckers and hack).

But once the nominee is announced, good riddance to the Paulines, the GOP lite'ers and the "my candidate or we all blow up" posters. Good riddance to 'em, fuck 'em, and don't forget to send a postcard.

[Perry Logan]

119. The anti-Clinton contingent will stay--continuing to serve as water-carriers for the right.

You KNOW they'll be trotting over here for the next eight years with the latest smears.

[ellisonz]

121. It'll be a...

halocaust <snark>