Anyone here who mentiones Dean and nader together is a plant

ursacorwin

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Mon Feb-23-04 09:41 AM
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Anyone here who mentiones Dean and nader together is a plant

and anyone who advocates for nader here is a plant or a fool.

first off: dean, whatever else you may think of him, was a people's candidate. he rose and fell on the strength of younger, motivated, "angry," and first time campaigners. it was the real deal of american democracy, and it failed largely in part because america is no longer a democracy. but no sense crying over spilled milk, dean supporters have learned from this experience and will not go away. for the greatest part, they will vote Dem in the fall and continue to give (albiet perhaps less) to liberal and democratic causes towards unseating bush. the people made dean, real people with all the human flaws, and that's a good thing. dean supporters are not and never have been associated with nader supporters, except for those who came to the deann campaign in search of what nader promised, but never delivered.

second: this hysteria about nader is really silly. and a waste of time, as well as a distraction. if you honestly think nader has any chance of winning, you're hopelessly naive or not paying attention. if you think nader will "send a message" to some group of democrats already in office or running the party, well- i can't deny the possibility, but i'm fairly sure that a much more important message comes from you, in the form of your SUPPORTIVE vote in the fall. sadly, it may be true that the most important voices in Dem ears these days are corporate interests, but that's what we're all trying to change. but if you think that any dem anywhere will make a decision because of your "protest vote" for nader in the fall, you're greatly overestimating your importance.

finally: let's look at the facts. nader has never held public office. nader has been rejected by many greens, persons and party alike. nader has essentially been off the media radar for the last three years- all rife with opportunities to make hay for his supposed favorite causes. nader meets with Satan's own hellspawn Grover Norquist in DC in the Wednesday group of far-right rethugs. nader himself has disturbingly rethug like habits with it comes to how he runs his corporations (he has them) and invests his considerable personal fortune. nader is part of an educational elite that includes rummy and other cabal insiders. nader has used rethug favorite lawyers and campaign activists in the past to help get him on the ballot. in short: nader walks, talks, and acts like the very people we hate the most in his day to day life.

if you're young and enthusiastic about liberal causes, educate yourself before thinking that nader represents any real opportunity to affect change. tin-foil or no, it's only reciting history to say that in this country, the rethugs have a LONG history of playing the left off the left/center with planted candidates, fake organizations, and disrupters. all the nader threads here tell me we've got a lot more of those than i thought, as well as a lot of people who are more easily distracted than i thought. nader is a NON-ISSUE and he's designed to make you forget about what really matters, and to confuse you about who is actually working for your causes. wake up!