Oh my! They ( Clintons)have really lost touch if they think Bush 41 is a deal maker -

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

More like a deal breaker for many (most? - God, I hope so) Democrats. Bill is really losing it. What was he thinking?

[liberalnurse]

1. You missed the point all together..........

The next President must be one of the people, all the people including the republicans, neocons, greens, libertarian, progressive far left and so on. The largest group is that of the republican collective.......

That said, now their point was that Hillary will work with all the people, including republicans to strive for harmony. That takes talent that I can depend on finding with Hillary Clinton as our next President.

[The Magistrate]

2. Besides, Ma'am

The elder Bush will not co-operate in the 'proposal', and no one seriously expected he would. Magnanimous gestures you can expect to be spurned are the best of all possible worlds: nothing beats making yourself look large and your enemy even smaller.

[antigop]

6. my, my! Is this the latest spin from Mark Penn? How did it poll? n/t

[The Magistrate]

10. Your Meaning Is Unclear, Ma'am

Perhaps you could clarify if you are actually accusing me of taking direction from a nationally prominent pollster?

People do on occasion have their own perceptions of events, and state them in an open forum of their own volition, you know....

[antigop]

12. Why are you referring to me as "Ma'am"? n/t

[The Magistrate]

14. You Are Not Required To Answer The Question, Ma'am

How is the weather out your way?

We have had a bit of snow, and the frost on the windows is fascinating in its intricacy.

[antigop]

15. I've asked this question before and you didn't answer it then. Why are you calling me "Ma'am"? n/t

[liberalnurse]

20. Oh Boy!

:scared: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :hide:

[The Magistrate]

22. Do You Actually Think, Ma'am, This Gains You Points In Debate?

"The mind wobbles."

[antigop]

24. Simple question that I have asked and you refuse to answer. Why? n/t

[liberalnurse]

27. Give it up.....

you are out of your league. Move along and discuss politics.

[The Magistrate]

28. Have You Got Your Tree Yet, Ma'am?

"One irrelevancy deserves another."

[antigop]

29. Nope, not irrelevant. I asked a question and you refused to answer. Why? n/t

[babylonsister]

16. You just planted a different seed in my brain than the previous one.

They could afford to be magnanimous because GHWB wouldn't agree. But then what's the point of Bill sticking his foot in his mouth? It doesn't put him in a favorable light.

[The Magistrate]

19. It Never Struck Me As A 'Foot In The Mouth' Moment, Ma'am

It is the usual sort of flexible line skilled people employ. On one level, it is a play towards the middle of the road voters, who seem to want everyone to play nice with one another, and on the other level, the sort of one-upsmanship described above. Very far from a blunder, in my view, Ma'am.

[babylonsister]

25. So Bill says something that is later proved false, and that's not

a gaffe? I'm not getting your reasoning. And why is this oneupsmanship? I think it made both Clintons look as if they miscalculated - again.

[Hieronymus]

52. It sure did.

[liberalnurse]

26. Well said...........

Politics is not a sport for the impulsive nor for management style of "putting out fires" but one of grandeur of strategy; a tri-level chess game.

[JackORoses]

48. yeah, that's the ticket, Hillary is really livin' large

This was such a good thing. It doesn't make them look disingenuous or anything.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

3. Well, too bad that 41 missed the point too.

Since he says it's not called for and he has no interest in doing this apology tour for his son with Bill.

It's just a total embarrassment for Hillary. She either has to say that Hubby did not know whereof he spoke - which seems evident- or she just has to stay quiet and hope it blows over.

A no win either way for her.

As for me, I have no need to hitch my wagon to those who double-yoke with the Bushes. No further explanation neccessary for anyone who has followed politics/war/bad stuff for the last twenty years.

[liberalnurse]

5. You see, we have had a narcissistic presidency with*bush.

The next president will embrace all .... We may not agree with their politics but we can't build walls and exclude them.,,, that is what this administration has done and that has been devastating to the foundation of America.

[hisownpetard]

30. Well, we CAN exclude them, or at least we can TRY - until all the committees have concluded their

investigations, and all the subpoenas have been answered, and all the testimony given,
and all the requested documents have been turned over, and all the answers have been
given, under oath, and explained ad infinitum, and all the liberties and rights that have been
stolen and usurped are returned to the patient and good people of this country who have
watched, with their harrowing cries unheard, as the Constitution has been mocked, maligned,
dissected and desecrated and almost shredded under the rancid Republican reign.

Get the gist?

[ShaneGR]

4. The largest group is the Republican collective?

Huh?

[liberalnurse]

8. Congress and all state-level government politics spawn

from either the republican or democratic parties these days........so, a bipartisan vision for tomorrow is a goal.

[Kucinich4America]

37. Would you have told the freed slaves in 1865 to be "bipartisan" with the Confederates?

If you think "bipartisanship" with the Bush Crime Family is possible, I suggest you do some heavy research. These people are NOT your friends. And if they are Hillary's friends, then maybe you should ask why THAT is the case?

[ClarkUSA]

23. You're wrong.

The "largest collective" is Independents, which make up about 40% of the population.

Funny how when Obama was talking about unity and working in a bipartisan manner to get things done on Capitol Hill, Hillaryworlders disparaged him as naive
and unrealistic but now Hillary is wonderful for "including republicans to strive for harmony." Hmmm..... :eyes:

[bvar22]

38. I think YOU missed the point:

Reach out to Republicans,
Pull back a nub.

I hope this little episode of Bill's public humiliation by 41 will teach her a lesson.

NOW is NOT the time to be working with Republicans.
NOW is the time to bring this country back to a democracy OF, BY and FOR the People by driving a stake through the black, greedy heart of Compassionate Conservatism (and NeoLiberalism for that matter.)

I am NOT interested in stabilizing things where they are currently.
LABOR, Working Class Rights, Environment, Social Programs, Defense Cuts, re-regulation of Corporations, moratorium and roll back of the privatizing of the Commons,...ALL need to be moved back to a position of Democratic Party values, and THAT will never happen by "reaching across the aisle in a spirit of healing."
AFTER the Working Class has regained the losses suffered since Reagan, I will think about "working with republicans", but NOT before.

Those bastards won't give up a thing without a FIGHT.
I guess you can tell that Hillary is not "my girl".


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[babylonsister]

39. Good post! nt

[durrrty libby]

7. It's just Bill being Bill. It means nothing. Get a grip and

lose the hysteria:boring:

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

9. Too bad YOU think Bill being Bill means nothing.

You have denigrated him not me. I have actually always taken him seriously.

Get a grip? Lose the hysteria? Thanks for the disingenuous, irrelevant advice.

Try very hard and possibly we can discuss exactly what he said and the ramifications of his statements.

[durrrty libby]

13. Blah.. .blah... blah.. .blah... blah

:boring: :boring: :boring:

[Arugula Latte]

17. Rude... rude... rude... rude... rude nt

[sniffa]

36. ...

:thumbsup:

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

18. I'm sure in your circle you are considered an excellent raconteur and great wit! nt.

[liberalnurse]

31. Stop picking fights.............

discuss your thoughts or move along and go play a video game or something. :smoke:

[Kucinich4America]

47. Sorry... can't find any decent video games

Hillary censored all of them :evilfrown:

[Cha]

32. Yeah, she's their

head debator.

[durrrty libby]

35. I gave you the truth. You don't like it so go ahead...blather on

It won't change a thing

It is just Bill being Bill. It means nothing

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

42. "blather" , "blah", and "snore" comprise your entire forensic arsenal.

Powerful.:eyes:

[durrrty libby]

44. Best Wishes and Joyful Season

:party: :toast: :hi:

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

46. Did you just snort some Frankincense?

I'm so touched when all your previous posts have been so dismissive. But hey, I can gather under the mistletoe with just about anyone. :party:

[bvar22]

43. ...

:thumbsup:

[babylonsister]

40. Funny. I've never seen you speechless before. Ha! nt

[dflprincess]

11. I imagine they'll get 41 on board

once they promise to see to it that Junior and his friends are never prosecuted for their crimes (and remind Poppy that he was never prosecuted either).

The Clintons' relationship with the Bush Crime Family really should make people think twice about supporting the Senator.

[Arugula Latte]

21. It's interesting to me how many Hillary supporters think we need to be "bipartisan"

No -- Those fuckers have run this country into the ground. It is time to let progressives govern. The Republicans can go f@#$ themselves. They have had their chance, and they blew it -- Big Time. It will take years and years to undo the damage they have done. I feel ZERO need for appeasement of the rightwing.

But, of course, the Joe Lieberman-Hillary Clinton DLCers just loooooove that triangulation and bipartisanship. :eyes:

[liberalnurse]

33. Yes we do...........

America is comprised of the many. I'm not saying not fight back or to not stand the hard line but we must not be autistic in our behavior like this purlent administration.

[Cameron27]

34. It wasn't made in a bipartisan gesture,

Clinton implied that Poppy would restore the American image to the world, the image that his son managed to destroy. Poppy quickly nixed the whole idea by standing by Georgie.

[babylonsister]

41. Holy shit. That spin is magnificent!

So now we're supposed to believe Bill didn't fuck up by implying he had GWHB's cooperation, but wanted to give GHWB an out, which didn't work? :crazy:

[durrrty libby]

45. It's funny as hell to see the tight asses get their knickers all waded

up and wet over silliness. I shudder to think how empty their real lives must be.

During this holiday season, I can only pray they will find a taste of real joy

[paulk]

49. I wouldn't judge an action from the reaction here at DU

In fact, I would go so far as to suggest that if it's a "deal breaker" for DU, then it was likely a smart political move by Clinton.

[bvar22]

50. Yeah, Being Publicly Humiliated by a Republican...

... is SUCH a smart move.

[paulk]

51. I see it as Bush being the one humiliated

ymmv, of course, but it wouldn't hurt to remember that Bill Clinton is still a lot more popular with the American public that Bush pere. Clinton just dissed both the Bushes big time, and HW reacted in a predictible manner, further making himself look like a jerk.