Why do Obama supporters give him a free pass on his endorsement of Homophobic Hate Speech?

[dbackjon]

Just asking...

[flvegan]

1. And a second Oooooo...

:popcorn:

[thereismore]

2. Not that again... I don't think he endorses it, btw. nt

[Bluebear]

3. It was just a "calculation", why are so you "hung up" over it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3857875

[redqueen]

4. The same reason that

Kucinich supporters give him a pass on previous anti-choice stance.

or Clinton supporters give her a pass for the IWR and Kyl-Lieberman votes.

or Edwards supporters give him a pass for his previous pro-NAFTA stance.

No candidate is perfect. Whichever one we pick, we pick because we can live with their flaws.

It's not rocket science, is it?

[maximusveritas]

8. Good answer

It's not that we're giving them a pass on those things. It's just that we think the good outweighs the bad.

[redqueen]

11. Thanks.

That's how I see it, at least.

[BOSSHOG]

10. You stop talking sense right this minute

The kids have to get all the screaming and shouting out of their system before we put them to work screaming and shouting at whatever monster the repubs nominate.

[redqueen]

17. Sorry...

I'll go back in the corner.

[Bluebear]

20. Sorry Boss...

Call me a screamer and a shouter, I just don't understand how people are excusing Obama on this one.

[BOSSHOG]

30. Hey My Friend

I'm also a screamer and a shouter, ask the local "conservatives." I guess I'm "lucky" this year around because my Mississippi primary is in mid March, neutered and worthless. I hate to say it but I think my primary vote WILL NOT COUNT. I will be over the top in support of our nominee.

BUT, anti gay rhetoric from any dem bends me the wrong way. And Obama's soire did not flatter me at all.

Merry Christmas to you MY FRIEND!!

[Bluebear]

37. And all the best of the season back to you, my friend!

I will be beside you, over the top for whomever our nominee turns out to be!

[ruggerson]

98. Would you support a candidate who hired an MC who talked about the "Negro curse?"

and said that blacks were "evil?"

But, in all other respects, you supported this candidate's platform.

[FredScuttle]

127. I'm waiting for Michael Jackson to headline a campaign event where he proclaims

"God delivered me from blackness!"

Excellent post, as usual.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

168. We're children of a lesser God

Just not quite as important as everyone else. Had all the facts of the McClurkin case been translated into racial terms, all hell would've broken loose. It would've been all over the news for weeks, the public and party leaders would've demanded the candidate drop out of the race. The candidate would've been made to leave politics altogether, with the permanent stigma of being labeled a racist, perhaps requiring that they even go into hiding. But since it's about the gays, no need for anyone to inconvenience themselves on our behalf, even to the extent of dropping a preference for a favored candidate. But we're use to it straighties, oh boy are we used to it.

[Nedsdag]

138. Thank you.

I totally agree.

[farmboy]

197. I'm insulted by your answer. The comparison of your examples from the other candidates to the

decision by Obama to have a well-known, anti-gay ("they're after your children") speaker be a central part of his campaign event in South Carolina, and then not to be even truthful about the full role played by that person, is pathetic and revolting. Gays and lesbians have by large marjorities long supported the Democratic Party. He did this recently. He did this directly at us. He did this as part of his campaign for president. It will never be forgotten and I won't let it be trivialized, downplayed, or be a part of some revisionist history by his supporters. The day you think it would be ok for Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Joe Biden, or any other candidate have a member of the KKK or other white supremist group stand at the podium of one of their events and talk about what is wrong with blacks and why we should try to make them be more like us (white people), or even just to sing songs (and Obama's anti-gay spokesperson sure did a lot more than that), when that day comes, then we can talk. Until then, your argument carries no more weight than did those of fellow high school classmates in the early 80s in my little NC town that told me I should not be seen riding in a car alone again with the black sister of my black best friend who needed a ride home after play practice one evening. "People will talk." I said bullshit then and I say bullshit now. Integrity is earned. Principles matter. Neither is to be gained by calculatingly pitting one group of individuals in our society against another. End of story.

[WCGreen]

204. Well stated,,,,

[maximusveritas]

5. For one, he didn't endorse it

He made clear he disagreed with McClurkin's views.
But I do, as an Obama supporter, think he made a huge mistake in not kicking McClurkin off the bill of that concert.

[dbackjon]

9. No, this is the issue that Obama supporters refuse to acknowledge

That by personally selecting McClurkin to MC his event, and give him a platform to spew his hatred, he ENDORSED the message.


and until he apologizes for that endorsement, he will be condemned by those who support equal rights for all Americans.

[Dawgs]

25. He didn't give him a platform to spew his hatred.

He was hired as a christian singer.

It was McClurkin that chose to make homophobic remarks.

And, I agree with the other poster. It was a mistake. That doesn't change the fact that he will fight just as hard for GLBT rights as any of the other candidates.

[dbackjon]

29. He made him MC - thus giving him a platform....

[Chulanowa]

55. Yes - a platform to be an MC, not a preacher

You think Obama agrees with the knuckleheads' opinions? Well, go ahead I suppose. Free to do as you like, and all. But, simple question... If Obama gets the nomination, what will you be doing in November? Will you be voting for him anyway, or will you be helping Republicans by voting for them or staying home? 'Cause I guarantee you, each and every one of them hates gays unrepentantly.

[NMMNG]

140. And the man preached anyway, for 30 minutes

Then Obama, after the event, said he was glad he went through with it.

He had the chance to stop it before the event and he didn't. He said all McClurkin would be doing was singing and he ended up MCing the whole thing and doing a sermon on top of it all. Then next thing you know after all of that Obama had the audacity to say he was glad he went through with it. He was glad he took a big steaming dump on LGBT people.

So yes, he obviously agrees at least to some extent with the bigots, or at least wants them to think he does--at least until he doesn't have to worry about losing their precious bigot votes. So screw him. He's no friend to us.

[Chulanowa]

142. So, about my other question...

If Obama ends up on the ticket, are you going to hold your nose for him anyway, or are you going to pretend that a Republican is going to be friendlier to you, or will you just stay home, thereby helping the Republican candidate more passively?

I understand where you're coming from - well, maybe not, since I don't see it as clearly as you, I guess - but you've gotta admit, if your choice ends up being Obama, or Romney, well, you're way better-off with Obama, shitheaded faux-pas or no.

[FredScuttle]

150. TRANSLATION: Shut your traps, you whiny homos and vote Democratic like you oughtta!

That's insulting, man. I'm a straight Democrat and I would never be so condescending as you are in that post.

[Chulanowa]

158. I agree, it's very insulting. Unfortunately for you, I said nothing of the sort

Channeling your inner feelings, I suppose?

It's a simple question, the answer to which I'm quite curious about. If it ends up being Obama vs. Huckleberry, what's going to happen? If the choice is the guy who once hired a homophobe preacher to MC, and a guy who thinks you're the same thing as a necrophiliac and wants laws to put you in a camp... Who gets your vote? Does anyone? What if Obama's only the VP of the ticket, does that make a difference?

[NMMNG]

153. "What are you gonna do, vote Republican ?"

That's hardly original. :eyes:

[Touchdown]

220. It doesn't matter. Obama showed he hates us too.

All previous Presidents have been homophobic, so what would be new if Obama got the nod or Huckabee?

Don't give me supreme court, Iraq, Health care, all other issue shit. What good is peace, prosperity, health care, pseudo-equality if I don't belong to the society benefitting from it?

[LaurenG]

6. I'm not an Obama supporter

but I never thought he was a homophobe or a hater. Yikes, it is getting deep around here though. :popcorn:

[sandnsea]

7. Why did Hillary appoint homophobes as state chairs?

Obama does not endorse hate speech. Why does no one post that his church performs gay marriages? After all, that's what the Republicans are going to do in the GE.

[dbackjon]

14. He refused to condemn/apologize for the hate speech at his event.

So by default, he endorses it.

[zulchzulu]

33. Bullshit

Obama did give a statement about McClurkin's views:

"I have clearly stated my belief that gays and lesbians are our brothers and sisters and should be provided the respect, dignity, and rights of all other citizens. I have consistently spoken directly to African-American religious leaders about the need to overcome the homophobia that persists in some parts our community so that we can confront issues like HIV/AIDS and broaden the reach of equal rights in this country.

I strongly believe that African Americans and the LGBT community must stand together in the fight for equal rights. And so I strongly disagree with Reverend McClurkin's views and will continue to fight for these rights as President of the United States to ensure that America is a country that spreads tolerance instead of division."

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

[dbackjon]

42. Yawn

Issued before the event. If he was sincere, he would have yanked McClurkin off the stage.

Again, Actions speak much louder than words.

[sandnsea]

48. And Hillary would yank all her homophobes

That nobody gets upset about because she's a diva, doncha know.

[maddiejoan]

58. Fine. We're brothers and sisters.

He doesn't refute McClurkin's contention that it's a sin and can be cured by the Grace of God.

Does Obama think homosexuality is a sin?

Does he think there is a cure for homosexuality?

Which of McClurkin's views does he disagree with?

Why did he let McClurkin speak?

How about a freaking apology?

[eridani]

139. "African American" and "LGBT" are not separate

There's some overlap there, and LGBT African Americans are rendered invisible again.

[NMMNG]

145. Notice this

I strongly believe that African Americans and the LGBT community must stand together in the fight for equal rights.

He's helping to perpetuate the stereotype that being gay is a "white man's disorder". I can't help but think that was done on purpose. Not long before that he said in an interview in The Advocate:

"I don’t think the LGBT community is served by being hermetically sealed from the faith community."

So what Obama was saying is that no LGBT people of faith, or African American LGBT people exist. He's denying intersection between the two parties and thereby marginalizing AA and faithful LGBTs completely. Just like the bigots have been doing all along. All for some votes and $$$.

[FredScuttle]

148. Excellent point

Obama perpetuating the myth that the black community and the LGBT community are diametrically opposed entities. Not only do these groups share many of the same political, social and economic views, but there is a ton of intersection between them!

[NMMNG]

149. Anything to secure his bigot votes

Why did he refuse two black gay ministers in favor of a white one for the Embrace the Change tour? Why perpetuate the stereotype that there are no black LGBT people? Why stoke the notion that LGBT people of faith don't exist?

Because by doing so he can win the largest number of bigot votes. It doesn't matter that he's denigrating LGBT people in the process. Just as long as he gets those votes.

[FredScuttle]

151. He was quick to throw the LGBT community under the bus in search of those sweet sweet primary votes

There's an excellent article often cited in these Obama threads that details how, when Obama was facing a double digit deficit in black votes in South Carolina to Clinton, out went all the inclusive language about the LGBT community and in came Pastor McClosetCase. Bigots attract bigots and Obama scored himself one of the biggest in the country.

The inclusion of the white gay minister was almost as craven and ridiculous as his selection of the "ex-gay" clown in the first place...he had this minister talk before the concert began to a quarter-filled auditorium and well before Rev. McClosetCase was given the starring role to regale the audience full of bigots about how "God delivered (him) from homosexuality"

And still he (nor his supporters) see anything wrong with that.

[NMMNG]

154. Of course they don't

As long as they can keep the cognitive dissonance active they never will. And LGBT rights will never advance in anything more than micrometers.

[dionysus]

12. the mcdorking thing was stupid of him to do.

by giving a "pass", do you mean vote for him? what do you want his supporters to do, defect?

[dbackjon]

16. Create enough clamor that he apologizes

And actually DOES something for the GLBT community.

Action, not words.

[babylonsister]

13. Yawn. Not very original, are you. nt

[dbackjon]

22. you find EQUAL RIGHTS for all Americans boring?

Very sad to hear that.

[babylonsister]

27. No, you're copycatting a thread - can't you come up with something

more current to bash Obama with, since that seems to be your intent?

[dbackjon]

44. When Obama apologizes

We will drop the issue - deal?

[babylonsister]

50. Stop whining and tell me who you support; who is without mistakes? nt

[dbackjon]

52. I am undecided

Would love to vote for Gore or Clark, holding out for a brokered convention....


Obama, Clinton, Edwards and Biden all have good and bad points.

[TeamJordan23]

15. LOL. What grade are you in?

[dbackjon]

24. Same as all the Obamabots :)

[Dawgs]

18. When did he do that... just asking?

[dbackjon]

19. McClurkin fundraiser - just telling.

[Dawgs]

31. So, you are uninformed. Now we know.

And, as far as I know, most Obama supporters are NOT happy with how he handled that issue. So, acting like we are giving him a pass is also wrong.

[dbackjon]

116. But they defend it to the death

And tell us it is no big deal, blah, blah

[HeraldSquare212]

21. Those in glass houses, etc.

Clinton appeared at a rally/fundraiser for a program run by an antigay cleric, who said that the push for gay marriage was at the behest of rich white lesbians who thought they should have anything they wanted (paraphrasing from memory).

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[dbackjon]

26. Do you post that response on all the similiar anti-Hillary threads?

And for the record, I am not a Hillary voter - I am undecided. I would like the chance to be able to consider Obama, but his actions are making that difficult.

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[dbackjon]

34. Are you that dense?

His ACTIONS endorsed it...

He personally SELECTED McClurkin to MC the event.

[William769]

36. Have you not learned about calling people a liar?

[dionysus]

38. if the liar shoe fits...

[William769]

43. Heres what happened the last time today he did it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3856362&mesg_id=3856452

[dionysus]

53. so you ran to the mods...and your point is?

did he tell you to fuck off or something?

[William769]

54. Who said it was me?

I got my point across in my response to the shit that was posted.

[William769]

32. Because Homophobia people stick together. NT

[TeamJordan23]

35. Doesn't Hillary have paid members on her campaign that share anti-gay views?

such as the SC co-chairs.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3858429

[dbackjon]

39. This isn't about Hillary

[TeamJordan23]

45. Can't answe the question? What is worse, an emcee or PAID members on the campaign?

[dbackjon]

51. What makes you think I am a Hillary supporter?

One can condemn hatred on all fronts.


And yes, I consider what Obama did to be far worse.

[cali]

40. piece of shit flamebait. Just sayin' n/t

[dbackjon]

46. Wow - nasty homophobe?

[cali]

57. No. fuck

that kind of bullshit- calling people bigots. I'm sick of people using things like the McClurkin episode to play nasty tit for tat games.

[FredScuttle]

77. As tired as those of us who are appalled when a "progressive" candidate gives a bigot

a microphone and a 1/2 hour to spew homophobic filth like "God delivered me from homosexuality"

Hey, Donnie McClosetCase started it.

[LanternWaste]

152. No, Cali just has this great response when she sees bullshit

"Wow - nasty homophobe?"

No, Cali just has this great response when she sees bullshit-- she calls it 'bullshit'. Tough break, huh Francis?

[Politicub]

41. Because most of them haven't considered how caustic

the ex-gays and their movement are to gays and gay youth. Self love is hard enough already, and no on needs the ex-gays out there trying to take away what shred of dignity out-of-the-closet and closeted folks are starting to obtain.

I honestly think that most people are able to compartmentalize McClurkin as not a big deal. But to the gay community, McClurkin's self-identified status as an ex-gay symbolizes so much hatred and denial.

[dbackjon]

47. Very true

[sandnsea]

49. No, it's the hypocrisy

If McClurkin is a big deal, then so is the wagon load of homophobes who are actually heading Hillary's campaign. McClurkin is being used for political purposes by the supporters of several campaigns, for pure political bashing. If it was really about homopobia, people would be bashing Hillary's Homopobes too, and they aren't.

[Politicub]

143. Ex-gays are beyond homophobia, but

I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

[beachmom]

56. He doesn't get a free pass. It's just that his public record is quite clearly

pro-gay rights (except him supporting civil unions over gay marriage, where I disagree with him), and I think that should be weighted more than a bad vetting process which spun out of control. I am sure if he had to do it over again, he would not have picked McGlurkin to head that show, but what's been done is done, and I will understand if people are still mad about it.

[Bluebear]

59. "but what's been done is done"

Of course, he always could apologize for it, but that won't happen :(

[Tejanocrat]

60. Where is ih8thegop in this thread?

[yellowcanine]

61. Maybe because they don't. Hope you enjoy chasing your red herrings.

Really tiresome stuff. You actually managed two red herring arguments - one that Obama endorsed homophobic speech and, two- that Obama supporters gave him a free pass on it. Ok why don't you go ahead and see if you can document both claims, then maybe we can have a discussion. Otherwise you are wasting our time.

[Bluebear]

62. OK. Documented: Obama hired an "ex-gay" to emcee his S.C. concert.

Said "ex-gay" closed the concert with a half hour sermon on how he was "delivered" from homosexuality and that being gays goes "against" God.

So, let's discuss.

[Bluebear]

65. Hello? Hello?

[yellowcanine]

67. And this equates to "endorsement of homophobic hate speech"? I don't think so.

Not unless you twist the language to mean whatever you want it to.

And unless you have changed your handle, you are not dbackjon; the question was directed to the OP. It is poor form to jump in and answer questions directed to someone else and then demand a response("Hello? Hello?).

[Bluebear]

73. Yes, you lecture me on "poor form" regarding a public message board.

Now, put me on ignore, because I am certainly going to do that for you, so we don't have to run into each other's "poor forms" anymore.

[yellowcanine]

83. Suit yourself. Yes it is poor form to demand responses.

Particularly when you choose to answer a question directed at someone else. Besides, some people have a life other than posting to message boards. It happened to be dinner time for me and my family.

[Bluebear]

84. I meant it, whoever you are, don't waste your breath.

[yellowcanine]

90. I thought you put me on "ignore". Apparently not.

[FredScuttle]

75. That "ex-gay" clown said, from the stage at an Obama event, "God delivered me from homosexuality"

Has Obama apologized for that yet?

Can you imagine the outcry if Hillary had Kathie Lee Gifford to headline one of her events and Ms. Gifford said "God delivered me from Judaism"?

Can you imagine the outcry if John Edwards had John Cougar Mellencamp to headline one of his events and JCM said "God delivered me from being a white trash loser"?


Obama has not once apologized directly for the slur delivered at his own campaign event by an "ex-gay" clown and it's getting pretty tiresome asking him (and his supporters) to do the right thing.

[yellowcanine]

89. First of all, failure to apologize is not the same as an "endorsement."

What kind of logic is that? Second, since when is it incumbent on a politician to apologize for something he did not say or ask someone to say?

[FredScuttle]

92. You're kidding, right?

"Since when is it incumbent on a politician to apologize for something he did not say or ask someone to say"....or for something said by someone associated with his campaign. Such as an "ex-gay" clown who insulted millions of LGBT Democrats, and millions more straight Democrats who abhor this type of bigotry.

Did you just drop in from 1956?

[yellowcanine]

102. No I am not. "Did you just drop in from 1956?". My aren't you the clever one?

Did you just drop in from high school?

[FredScuttle]

107. My point being that if anything has marked the past half-century in politics

it's that politicians running for higher office have to be especially sensitive to what people associated with their campaign say in public. Are you forgetting the shitstorm that erupted after Whoopi Goldberg delivered a vulgar pun on the Resident's name at a Kerry event in 2004?

I am well past my high school years, thank you.

[yellowcanine]

113. I am not forgetting anything, IMO the practice of demanding apologies from

candidates for something a supporter may have said at an event is sleazebag "gotcha" politics. It does nothing to advance the civil debate. And why do you want to imitate a tactic used against Kerry by Republicans?

[FredScuttle]

123. Okay, let's try this one of a more recent vintage

Remember when Rudy "9/11" Giuliani's Minnesota campaign official was revealed to have a fondness for racial slurs?

"Rudy's New Minnesota Campaign Official Has An "N-Word" Problem"

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/10/new_rudy_minnesota_campaign_official_has_history_of_racially_charged_remarks.php

We rightfully pilloried "America's Mayor" for associating himself with a bigot. Why does Obama get a pass?

[yellowcanine]

131. Apples and oranges. One guy appeared at an event. The other guy was hired on by a campaign.

Try again. And I am getting a little tired of the refrain "Obama gets a pass." Plenty of Obama supporters have critized Obama for allowing this to happen. But it is just not fair to hang the "endorsed bigotry" label on Obama. He did not and he does not endorse bigotry. Another thing is that this whole thing was aired thoroughly some time ago. Why are we ploughing this ground again? It seems to me that some are attempting to bring it back because Obama appears to be making headway against Clinton. I can't see any other reason for trotting this one out again.

[FredScuttle]

132. Want a reason? How about Obama has not once apologized for featuring this bigot?

I'm so sorry you're getting tired of this coming back up, but LGBT folks and straight Democrats like me who abhor bigotry will keep bringing this back up until Obama does the right thing and apologize for this titanic insult.

The label isn't unfair in the slightest...Obama hired this "ex-gay" clown in spite of a avalanche of criticism and warnings from the LGBT community, all of which was borne out by the clown's appearance at Obama's campaign event.

[yellowcanine]

134. Stop waving the bloody gay phobe shirt. I am a Dem who abhors bigotry

so knock off the self rightous "....Dems like me who abhor bigotry" - implication being that those who disagree with you on this tolerate bigotry. B.S. - and I call you on using a time worn Republican tactic. And yes you are repeating yourself - asked and answered.

[FredScuttle]

135. "I am a Dem who abhors bigotry..."

but will post 10 times in an Obama thread that he shouldn't have to apologize for embracing an "ex-gay" clown to his campaign.

Uh-huh. :eyes:

[yellowcanine]

136. Your assertion, your characterization. And I don't have to defend my tolerance credentials to you .

I have explained my reasoning on this. You are in no position to judge my character. Have a good day.

[FredScuttle]

137. "tolerance credentials"?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Did you have to finish a four-year program for that?

Good day to you as well.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

202. Thanks to your replies herein we are all in an excellent position to judge your character

The number of people who are bigots is considerably larger than the number who identify themselves as bigots.

That's why most of us don't see self-proclamations of virtue as trumping a series of apologies for bigotry.

[Solon]

165. Gotta remember that Homophobia is "acceptable" bigotry, because it comes from "faith"...

Duh, I thought everybody knew that!

[NMMNG]

167. Yep. We can't question people's deeply held religious beliefs.

No-siree Bob.

[dbackjon]

218. That's right - religous bigotry is A-OK

Except when it is the poor Christians being attacked for wanting to be able to hate in peace.

[TheWraith]

63. His endorsement of it? Could you point me to where that happened?

Oh wait, it didn't--he simply had an artist with questionable views appear on a tour he did. Boy, I'm glad that now a politician is personally responsible for endorsing everything that was ever said by anyone in proximity to them. After all, it's not like Hillary Clinton and John Edwards have ever appeared or associated with people who have questionable views on homosexuality--oh wait, they have. As has anyone else in politics.

[dbackjon]

64. You don't, or refuse to get it.

Obama just didn't have an "artist" with questionable views appear on stage.

OBAMA HAND-PICKED THE BIGOT to EMCEE the event, giving him a platform to espouse his hate.

WHY is that so fucking difficult to understand??


Or do you not give a shit about gays and lesbians?


Because frankly, that is the attitude that you, and others on this thread and in the Obama organization give.

[FredScuttle]

71. "simply had an artist with questionable views appear on tour"?

Are you fucking kidding me? Let's review the simple timeline:

1. Obama names Donnie McClosetCase as one of the acts at his S.C. campaign event
2. Numerous LGBT groups and activists contact the Obama campaign to register their strongest opposition to this appearance and warn Obama that this "ex-gay" clown will spew homphobic filth onstage
3. Obama ignores all these warnings
4. The event proceeds as planned, only McClosetCase is the designated M.C. of the evening....he hijacks the final 1/2 hour of the concert to spew homophobic filth to an enthusiastic crowd of bigots
5. After the concert, Obama refuses to apologize for the "ex-gay" clown and, to compound the insult, states that his good friend Donnie McClosetCase "doesn't want to change gays who are happy in their lives."

[Bluebear]

74. An excellent summary.

Mind if I use it sometime?

[FredScuttle]

78. Be my guest....

I can only type "ex-gay clown" so many times....

[Bluebear]

88. 'I can only type "ex-gay clown" so many times....'

:pals:

[LostinVA]

216. hahahaha

I missed this post until now!

I love you, Fred!

[dbackjon]

117. Ditto - I want permission to use as well!!

[FredScuttle]

125. Permission granted

n/t

[NMMNG]

141. Don't forget this:

Not only did Obama refuse to apologize for asswipe McClurkin, he said this after the concerts:

I was right not to drop Donnie McClurkin.

How is that for a kick in the face?

[FredScuttle]

144. Every day Obama goes without apologizing for hiring an "ex-gay" clown to spread the hate

is, indeed, a kick in the face to the LGBT community and solid confirmation to straight Democrats like me that the "Audacity of Hope" includes a healthy dose of shameless and craven pandering to bigots for those sweet, sweet primary votes.

[Alexander]

66. McClurkin endorsed him, not the other way around.

What a piece of utter flamebait shit.

[Bluebear]

68. You are terribly mistaken. Obama HIRED MCCLURKIN to emcee his SC concerts.

You're welcome.

http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/10/29/mcclurkin-hangs-tough-at-obama-concert/

“We're here,” Donnie McClurkin told a cheering crowd. “We're here and we're glad we're here.”

McClurkin, who has angered gay rights groups by saying homosexuality is a choice, told the crowd the musical acts were there “in the name of unity” and “in the name of change.”

…Obama did not attend the event, but in a video played for more than 2,000 at the Township Auditorium he called the evening's acts “inspirational talent” that were among his favorites.

The people in the crowd agreed with their feet, standing and waving and clapping hands to the blaring music, regularly joining in to sing.

[FredScuttle]

69. And then compounded the insult by refusing to apologize for the "ex-gay" clown's homophobic filth

He actually said, in the press release, that McClosetCase "doesn't want to change gays who are happy".

What. The. Fuck.

That some Obama supporters can't understand how infuriating that is...well, there's no accounting for taste.

[Bluebear]

70. And they want to revise history to meet the needs of their Candidate

Which is repulsive. I can even respect those who say "I don't like that he did this but he's still my candidate" for whatever reason. But to state "McClurkin endorsed him, not the other way around" blah blah blah is either ignorant or apologist.

[FredScuttle]

72. Too many apologies, excuses, minimizations of bigotry around here

It is disgusting. No candidate is perfect, but I have yet to see another Democratic candidate hire an "ex-gay" clown to headline his/her campaign event and give said clown a microphone and a 1/2 hour to deliver such bon mots as "God delivered me from homosexuality"

[Radical Activist]

76. He has a long record of supporting equal rights based on orientation

and made clear that he hasn't changed.

[Bluebear]

79. Why on earth did he hire an "ex-gay" to emcee his concerts then?

And despite countless gays and lesbians begging him not to put McClurkin on, did so anyway?

[Radical Activist]

85. His campaign released satements on it

that you're more than welcome to read if you're interested.

[Bluebear]

86. I read them, they ring completely hollow to me. It was pandering in its most cynical form.

[Radical Activist]

91. Then you had no need to ask me the question.

I'm sure almost everyone who supports Obama disagrees with him on at least one issue. This guilt by association stuff is silly.

[Bluebear]

93. It's not guilt by "association" though. The campaign expressly hired him.

To read the release that we need to "reach out" to bigots was almost as insulting as hiring him to begin with.

[Radical Activist]

96. Yes, I'm sure it said bigots.

I'm sure he was hired to appeal to "bigots" and not people of faith, many of whom are not bigots. Yes, Obama is just a big gay hater now because he hired one person. Give me a freaking break. You have an axe to grind.

[Bluebear]

101. Please feel free to ignore me and my "axe" and I will do the same for you.

I don't consort with people who apologize for ANY kind of bigotry.

[zulchzulu]

110. I put this putz on ignore long ago

You may as well be talking to a goddamn wall.

[Bluebear]

111. Gee how on earth would you know what "putz" they are talking to?

I thought I was on ignore? :rofl:

PS, "putz" is vulgar and against DU rules. You know the rules you are always citing demanding that threads be taken down? I'm telling, I'm telling!

[FredScuttle]

80. Except when he's pandering for the bigot vote in South Carolina

n/t

[ruggerson]

81. Just substitute "black" for "gay" in this thread

and see how ludicrous the apologists sound.

[Bluebear]

82. It's clear, the apologists don't care.

It's been spun over and over by so many of them, I can only conclude they can give a shit about gays and lesbians, and it is disgraceful.

[ZombieHorde]

94. ruggerson

Just substitute "black" for "gay" in this thread and see how ludicrous the apologists sound.

I wish that I could recommend this post. Very awesome point.

[Bluebear]

95. ZH, welcome to DU by the way!

[ZombieHorde]

100. Thank you!

That is very sweet. I hope that I don't piss you off too much. :hi:

[Bluebear]

104. We shall see

:)

Seriously, hope you enjoy the board!

[Dr. Strange]

87. Because he supplies our cocaine.

:eyes:

Got any more bullshit to sell tonight?

[FredScuttle]

97. What part of this is "bullshit"?

The part where Obama invites an "ex-gay" clown to headline his event?

The part where Obama ignores the pleas from countless LGBT groups that his will be a disaster and an grievous insult?

The part where, like clockwork, the "ex-gay" clown hijacks the concert to deliver a 1/2 homophobic rant?

The part where Obama refuses to apologize for his "ex-gay" clown's comments?

The part where Obama defends his "ex-gay" clown friend by claiming that the clown "doesn't want to changes gays who are happy in their lives"?

[Dr. Strange]

108. The part where you pretend you're posting something new...

as opposed to rehashing the glorious flame wars of yesterweek. I think it's been established that some here don't like Obama because he's a homophobe.

Can you pick another topic to be stupid to, please?



Edited because there's ladies and youngsters present and Bluebear is serving as my conscience--but only 'til I'm sober!

[Bluebear]

109. That's a pretty vile post, DuStrange.

[Dr. Strange]

112. Meh, that's nothing! You should see the OP!

[Bluebear]

114. Do you have to refer to _____? There's ladies & youngsters present.

Have some decorum! :)

[Dr. Strange]

118. Done! I've edited out any reference to that certain activity.

I suppose you'll have to edit yours now!

[Bluebear]

119. LOL done!

:toast:

[FredScuttle]

115. I have to rehash and retype "ex-gay clown" a thousand times

because some Obama supporters didn't hear me the first time.

I don't think Obama is a homophobe...I just don't understand why he's embracing homophobes. Or why his supporters are giving him a pass on endorsing a vile message of hate and bigotry.

[Dr. Strange]

122. I'm pretty sure they heard you (et al) the first brazillian times.

Why is he doing it?
Covered in post #4.

[ruggerson]

124. Which brings up post # 98

[FredScuttle]

130. Apparently not

because they're still defending, excusing and minimizing bigotry in its most vile and hateful form.

[zulchzulu]

99. Flamebait Sandwich covered with Lies

Nowhere did Obama endorse homphobic hate speech. This is a LIE.

If DU has any standards, they will lock this thread.

[FredScuttle]

105. Let's look at a simple timeline:

1. Donnie McClosetCase has a long, documented history of homophobic statements, such as his quote on the 700 Club that homosexuality is "killing our children" and that he's part of a "war" on homosexuality.
2. Obama hires this "ex-gay" clown to headline his campaign event. In South Carolina. Where there are a lot of anti-gay bigots.
3. Multiple LGBT groups contact the Obama campaign to register their opposition to his decision to feature an "ex-gay" clown as the star of his campaign event.
4. Obama ignores all these pleas and warnings and welcomes the "ex-gay" clown to headline his event.

Sounds like an endorsement to me.

[dbackjon]

120. If DU had standards

You'd be tombstoned...

You obviously are clueless.

And you are on ignore...

[ClarkUSA]

103. Why are you posting a thread with a totally false and misleading subject line?

Which candidate do you support? Lemme guess...

[zulchzulu]

106. I guess DU lets lies get posted on candidates...

I asked for this obvious flamebait to be locked. Anybody home?

[ClarkUSA]

126. Um, I've noticed the same tendency....hmmm....

Do you know why? Email me and Iet's see if we agree.

[dbackjon]

121. Nothing false or misleading about it

100% the truth.


My candidate? Don't have one.

If I had my choice, it would be:

Gore
Clark
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.
.
.
.
????? Leaning Biden, but still undecided.

[ClarkUSA]

128. Prove your OP assertion then. With links from credible sources.

Because it's clear to me you're wrong.

[dbackjon]

129. Read the thread

It is all there.

[dbackjon]

162. It has become obvious that you don't care to read anything that does not fit

Your narrow view of life.

Very sad, actually.

[HuffleClaw]

133. ya got me

but people can excuse anything that 'their guy' does it seems

[Clanfear]

146. Two points.

He did not endorse "homophobic hate speech". And secondly it is really not all that important in the grand scheme of things. This election is MUCH MUCH bigger than making a poor decision at a fundraiser.

[FredScuttle]

147. Obama hired an "ex-gay" clown to headline his event, over the objections of countless LGBT groups

who warned him this was going to happen. In spite of all these warnings, Obama went ahead with the concert and this clown as the star of the show. After this clown spewed homophobic filth from the stage, including screaming "God delivered me from homosexuality!", Obama refused to apologize for this insult...in fact, Obama compounded the insult by saying he was glad he selected this "ex-gay" clown and that the clown "doesn't want to change gays who are happy with their lives". If that's not an endorsement, I don't know what is.

Substitute the word "black" for "gay" or "homosexual" in that paragraph and you'll have some sense of why this is important and why LGBT folks and straight Democrats alike are outraged by the initial insult and Obama's subsequent refusal to do the right thing and apologize for this titanic insult.

[Bluebear]

155. "it is really not all that important in the grand scheme of things" - thanks on behalf of GLBT's

Your concern is appreciated :sarcasm:

[DivorcingNeo]

156. You so funny!

*laughs*

[Bluebear]

157. Good, laughter is good for the soul! :)

[dbackjon]

161. Come on

How many times do us uppity gays need to be told we are not important before we get the hint..

[oasis]

159. kick

[dbackjon]

160. To all the doubter's on here

Please read and comment on this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2500141


Excellent summary of why we are pissed at Obama for McClurkin.

[DivorcingNeo]

163. Are you for real?

Okay, well may I ask you on behalf of all Gay and Lesbians in this country...why is San Francisco so fucked up in regards to the homelessness and poverty situation in that city? A city touted as the supposed Bastian of liberalism and freedom has a horrid track record on addressing it's social issues.of course that only applies if you are Homosexual, white or ABB.

Black Americans there, simply don't get a break.

50% of Homeless people in that city are Black. Among those the reasons why they are homeless has to do with drug addiction and mental illness. Most Black Americans in San Francisco are impoverished. Trying to find a Black American professional in that city is like trying to find the Holy Grail. However, what does the government and community do...well...they continue to push the trash out farther and farther to the outskirts or better yet let them hurt themselves or someone else as they die slowly on the city streets. All this while waving the flag of false liberalism. "Oh don't actually do anything about the homeless and poor...just step over them on the sidewalk."

With a Black American mayor and gay love overflowing and a strong city economy you'd think different...

However the issue is that Donnie Mcclurken is Homophobic...*ponders*...hmm that must mean, Barack is too! *light bulb moment* Why didn't I see that before?! Guilt by association, no wonder the gays and lesbians in San Francisco could give a fuck about their Homeless and impoverished citizens.

[FredScuttle]

164. "Black American mayor"???

This is the current mayor of San Francisco:




I'm going to refrain from dignifying your ridiculous statement that you can't find a black professional in SF.

[DivorcingNeo]

174. Well no wonder.

First of all dudley do right...I dicussed this with one of the few Black American professionals in San Francisco and it's from her mouth that I got a lot of information of what it's like living there and what the circustances are. So take your false indignation, your paternalistic slap on the hand and sit down somewhere.

Typical hypocritical liberal

[LostinVA]

212. "Typical hypocritical liberal" -- AND YOU'RE ON DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND... WHY?

[DivorcingNeo]

176. and I'm not done with you...

San Francisco had a Black Mayor for a long while...hmm what's his name again...? Willie Brown.

Did blacks prosper under his mayorship? No.

Did the Homeless problem addressed properly? No.

Did White Homosexuals and Heterosexual professionals prosper. Yes.

[Bluebear]

166. San Francisco has no black professionals? LMAO!

[musicblind]

169. wow

First off, to people saying that Obama did not endorse this… here is the definition of “endorse” as defined by yourdictionary.com

en•dorse• (en dôrs′, indôrs)
transitive verb

3.
a.) to give approval to; support; sanction


I think it is clear that he provided support for this person as he allowed him a platform to express his views of hatred and then did not apologize for having done so. He certainly sanctioned this to happen as it happened at his event. Since sanction means, according to yourdictionary.com to “permit”. He certainly permitted this to happen and then did not apologize for it. Therefore he sanctioned it. He also supported it by allowing it a platform, since support means “to provide for”, and he provided a platform.

Therefore, he endorsed this person’s views. He then would not apologize for doing so, and has therefore given us no reason to believe that he views it as a mistake.

Secondly, I am surprised that so many people on here seem to think it would be no big deal for this person to do or say such things. Like an earlier poster said, before you make any response, you need to ask yourself, would you be okay with this if the word “homosexual” was replaced with “black”. I know I wouldn’t.

Third, it is not crazy to ask a politician to apologize for something a supporter did at one of his events. A recent example is how Hillary was asked to apologize because one of her supporters made a reference to Obama’s drug use.

And no, I am not supporting any candidate either at this point… I too am undecided.

[Bluebear]

171. Agreed and welcome to DU

[Name removed]

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[Bluebear]

192. (I don't know whose obnoxious sockpuppet you are but you're very obvious.

Try being a litrtle more subtle in your insults.

[LostinVA]

213. I know

"Typical hypocritical Liberal."

ALL the Dems and other liberals I know say that about one another.

[readmoreoften]

170. San Francisco has a unique problem with homelessness. And that's not teh gays fault.

Please. San Francisco has a complicated homeless problem for a number of reasons. It is also a city that fights HARDCORE for the rights of its homeless. There are tons of progressives--gay and straight--fighting for the rights of homeless folks. And a good number of homeless folks are gay as well. So give us a break.

More bullshit phony dichtomies between 'poor straight folk' and 'rich gay folk' as if ALL THE GAYS are rich and ALL THE POOR FOLK are straight.

And yes, you are guilty by association when you ask a crazy anti-gay frontman to emcee your political event. It was a bad decision and one he must learn from.

[DivorcingNeo]

180. More of the same

Once again...read what you want. Maybe I just don't care about Homosexual issues in this country since I have a lot of other things to worry about that immediately affects me and my family. Also, where's the outcry about the homegrown terrorists in our city streets across the country? What about victims like the Dunbar Village case in Florida? Is Clinton, Edwards, Obama or hell any democrat addressing that issue? Hell no they aren't, because one more brutally assaulted Black woman and child is of little concern when there's a bigger issue..."DONNIE MCCLURKEN is singing at an Obama event." It's the end of civilization! *rolls eyes*

The problem is that as in both of these false political parties...straying from common think is highly discouraged. Calling these politicians and their parties out on their B.S. is also discouraged.

The Homeless situation in San Fran is complicated? Yes, and what's not? It's just that addressing the core issues is a little far down on the agenda when you have to focus on Gay Marriage and making the upper class wealthier. It's easier to just pretend to be compassionate. San Francisco's political solution? Let the Homeless lay out on the sidewalks and streets then simply step over them as you pass by.

False liberals are just as bad as bigoted Republicans. You simply hide it better.

[LostinVA]

194. "Homosexual issues?"

Well, since I'm white, by your "logic" I shouldn't care about race issues, but that couldn't further from the truth.

And my posting history here can back that up.

[ZombieHorde]

173. Hi DivorcingNeo.

However the issue is that Donnie Mcclurken is Homophobic.

I don't think that you know who this guy is, or what he represents.

[DivorcingNeo]

175. Hmm

I know who Donnie Mcclurken is. I am not a listener of Gospel but I have family and friends whom are. Is the fact that theylisten to his music a endorsement of his personal beliefs? I don't smoke crack but I'm still love Whitney Houston's music and if the woman wanted to perform at my birthday party I'd sure as hell let her! Get it crackin Whitney!

See how ridiculous it is to make these kind of lose connections?

[dbackjon]

178. Your analogy makes NO Sense

Obama didn't just buy one of McClurkin's CD's - HE FUCKING HAND-PICKED his homophobic, bigoted ass to emcee a major campaign event!!!

[LostinVA]

214. Don't waste your time, Dbackjon

Ever read "Three Billy Goats Gruff"?

[dbackjon]

217. Yes :)

[ZombieHorde]

198. Hello DivorcingNeo

I am not a listener of Gospel

I will take this as evidence that you have some good taste.

but I have family and friends whom are

Ouch!

Is the fact that theylisten to his music a endorsement of his personal beliefs?

It could be, I don't know their situation.

I don't smoke crack

More evidence of good taste.

but I'm still love Whitney Houston's music and if the woman wanted to perform at my birthday party I'd sure as hell let her! Get it crackin Whitney!

Ouch!

See how ridiculous it is to make these kind of lose connections?

I don't see how the two are connected at all.

Birthday party does not equal political rally, smoking crack does not equal anti-gay speeches.

[dbackjon]

179. Yes, it is for real

And it is obvious you are clueless.

[DivorcingNeo]

182. Well we all know a Black American can't possible think for themselves...*smirks*

I would pick whitney to sing at my event too, but what does it really mean in the big scheme of things? Does it mean I endorse crack or that I endorse a certain genre of music? Maybe I just like Whitney's music and there's no hidden agenda to it. No um secret gay hating agenda. Most of the people I know would listen to what Oprah says over McClurken anyway. He's not that influential...sorry to burst your bubble.

However it's typical that some liberals believe that blacks think with one mind. We're all mindless and clueless.

Oh I know that many of you are shaking your head and dismissing what I say. It's common for Democrats and false liberals to not care what blacks really think. You're all so much smarter than us and know what's best for us...we couldn't possibly know for ourselves. *smirks*

However the difference is that I don't care if I offend you, gays and anyone else. I am going to speak my truth as I see it.

[Name removed]

184. Deleted message

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[DivorcingNeo]

190. Once again...your point in regards to Obama is?

GLBT and TRUE progressives objected to McClurkin because his entire fame is based on him being in denial about his true sexuality.

That's all that needs to be said.

What that has to do with Obama's statements, beliefs or policies on gay rights I haven't a clue.

However White Homosexuals need to address the instances of bigotry amongst themselves as well. Some are not too welcoming of Black gays and lesbians issues among that community.

Moving right along...

Do you think I give two shits to the wind if you call me a bigot? I think this countries legacy and it's majorities motherland, Europe, has leaps and bounds on me in that department. However I don't have to qualify my level of compassion to non-blacks, you or anyone. Some whites whine about Black folks who use the race card and yet they are quick themselves to use the reverse racism card.

Gimme a break, will ya?!

Once again, it's all about White people's issues and yet you have not addressed my point about the terrorism going on right here in our city streets...the murders of young black men, women and children by predatory thugs. Too pc to touch that? I'm more concerned about addressing the mental health and self hate issues that those crimes stem from whether than Donnie Mcclurken personal issues.

However once again...to you that's not important. Just keep towing the line of fakery.

[dbackjon]

191. Actually, all those issues are important

And linked, and they can not be addressed in a vacuum. It all boils down to whether people, black, white, or purple, have basic respect for other's dignity and civil rights.

The hate that eminates from certain segments of the black community towards gays is no different than the hate that eminates from white towards gays - it is based on prejudice. Therefore, it is wrong. Just as wrong as anyone that targets a person, or ignores their problems solely because of their skin color.

Are there racists gays and lesbians? Sure are, just as their are racists straights. Some people, regardless of sexual orientation are just idiots. I do know that in the circle of friends that I have, which includes white, black, asian, native american and hispanic gays, that prejudice is not tolerated.

[Bluebear]

193. That's clear, because you are an extremely offensive person

[LostinVA]

195. McClurkin didn't just sing, he PREACHED his hatred

I'd be equally outraged if a presidential candidate invited someone who preached hatred against African Americans.

I'm sure you would be, too. Why no outrage about hatred against gays?

[Bluebear]

196. Good luck getting an answer on that,

[LostinVA]

199. Oh, I'm sure I'll never get it

I'll just be sitting here on my "wealthy" gay ass waiting for an answer in my 55 degree 106-year-old farmhouse.

[DivorcingNeo]

183. and you are too.

*shrugs shoulders*

[LordJFT]

181. edwards said something like "those people make me uncomfortable"

none of the mainstream candidates are perfect on this issue

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

187. Edwards denies that quote, and Edwards is the only candidate whose...

wife & daughter have endorsed gay marriage

[LordJFT]

188. Yep, but unfortunately neither of them are running

did you watch edwards in HRC's gay rights debate? You could tell he was uncomfortable to be there, though at least he didn't say that homosexuality was a choice like Richardson.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

189. Elizabeth's pro gay marriage stance was definitely calculated to make Edwards look more gay-friendly

But that also shows that Edwards wants very much to float the idea that he might be persuaded to support gay-marriage someday. I'm sure he has no problem with gay marriage, but like all the mainstream candidates, he thinks it'd doom his candidacy to admit it. It is a more gay-friendly position than Hillary and Obama to have his spouse and daughter endorse it.

I know some people have said Edwards sounds uncomfortable discussing gay issues, but I still trust him personally, especially since he's running as the most progressive mainstream candidate. People have also said Obama sounds uncomfortable discussing gay issues, and I definitely hear that.

[zulchzulu]

185. DU OPS: THE PREMISE OF THIS THREAD IS A LIE AND FLAMEBAIT

Is anybody home at DU?

Obama NEVER ENDORSED homophobic hate speech. EVER. For all you you who think so, the Internet is your friend. FIND ME any quote where he endorsed such.

Hell, I'll give you $1,000 if you have the quote.

[ZombieHorde]

200. Hi zulchzulu

THE PREMISE OF THIS THREAD IS A LIE AND FLAMEBAIT

And...

Obama NEVER ENDORSED homophobic hate speech

And...

EVER.

He paid a known homophobic to vocalize to a large group on his behalf. For many of us, this is an endorsement.

[Perry Logan]

186. They're obviously nuts.

[ClarkUSA]

201. Another bogus thread attacking Obama... and the attendant Clintonian lapdogs.

Gold star for you from Mark Penn!

[musicblind]

203. endorse

To the people saying he never endorsed homophobic speech, please see my post defining the word "endorse" above.


Also, if Miss Huston had come to your birthday party and then gave a 30 minute speech about how spectacular crack is, how wonderful it makes her feel, and how everyone at your birthday party should certainly give crack a try! Yes, yes I would be a little offended and think the person throwing that should apologize to the guests as they left the party. I know if it was my party that I would. If the same thing happened at a campaign event then it would be even worse, given the kind of event taking place.

In all honesty, I do not think that Obama is homophobic, nor do I think he is a bad person, a little inexperienced to be president, but he would make a great VP. Still, I have not made a decision who I'm voting for and am listening to Obama, and he still has a chance to sway my vote. All of that said, I do wish he would apologize for the statements made at his campaign event. Just acknowledging it briefly, and saying "I'm sorry, I didn't know that was going to happen the way it did, I do not agree with what that man said". That would be all it would take, and I would accept him at his word. Until he does this, however, it looks as though he endorses what took place.

I don't think this thread is flamebait. I think it's a good discussion, and as long as everyone from both sides of the issue is nice and courteous, I hope it continues. I'm really enjoying DU so far :)

[DivorcingNeo]

205. I never said it was okay...

However as you stated, you don't believe Obama is Homophobic. That is the main issue. I won't get into the hypocrisy of the jump-on-band wagon mentality in regards to affirming responses to the OP. I will state that these are my personal beliefs and just because I support Obama's Presidential candidacy I do not expect that I agree with him on every issue or that people should apply all of my beliefs to him.

When you look at it from this perspective you see that the whole issue is ridiculous. In addition I am addresing this issue very straight forwardly because I've been very disturbed about how Obama has been categorized by the pundits and Clinton campaign and the comparisons that he is given a pass in the media is simply ridiculous. It's in these types of assertions that myself and my blog readers agree, that we cannot fully trust and support the democratic party.

It's very frustrating to convey. I will say that upon reflection I realized that I was really *angry* and did not mean to come across so harsh in regards to issues facing Gay and Lesbians but people I implore you to see that this country has a big divide and I find it very unfortunate that this is being used as a divisive tactic to steer people away from the real issues Obama is discussing.

Although injustices have been wrought against the gay and lesbian community the fact is that they on a general level (this is a generality) are prospering. Blacks are not and it's not simply about underachieving, it's about dying. Blacks are dying in the streets in record numbers. It's a serious crisis.

I'm just tired of lip service by this party and it's political candidates. As I stated before, if Obama does not get the nomination I'll have to vote my conscience or not at all. Most likely it will be independent. I won't vote out of fear of a Republican run government.

It's my own personal wake up call.

[LostinVA]

206. You do realize that not all gay people are rich, white men, right?

[ruggerson]

207. What fucked up fantasy world do you live in?

"Although injustices have been wrought against the gay and lesbian community the fact is that they on a general level (this is a generality) are prospering"

This is right out of the religious rightwing playbook, and it illustrates exactly why it was so incredibly screwed up of Obama to promote someone who endorses these stereotypes.

I'm not going to even bother to try to educate you, because you're so mired in mindless homophobia, it's pointless.

[ripple]

208. Your premise is false.

If you didn't hear Obama's statements opposing McClurkin's point of view, you weren't listening. Just saying...

[snowbear]

209. Unreal that this POS thread is allowed to fester this long...

Why?

[FreeState]

210. Maybe because some of us GLBT democrats are still hurt by Obama's

allowing a spiritual terrorist on stage at his event? Do you have any idea what kind of damage this does to an individual? When your religion tells you you need to change something as basic as who you love or you will go to hell that is dangerous and harmful - I grew up in an anti-gay church and Im still recovering from the damage. Obama never apologized - so Im guessing he does not see the very real harm and hurt he is responsible for. Obama needs to address this now or many many GLBT people will never forget or forgive.

[LostinVA]

215. Good post

[dbackjon]

219. Piece of Shit thread?

The only POS here are those that can get it through there bigoted head why this is such a big deal to GLBTer's.


Bottom Line - ANYONE that doesn't find what Obama did as offensive is a BIGOTED, HOMOPHOBIC PIECE OF SHIT that is better off a republican. With "Friends" like that, it is no wonder we are still fighting for basic human rights.

[Nimrod2005]

211. To make posters like you ask the same question again and again?