What do you think of a Biden/Obama ticket?

[phillyliberal]

I dont think you could ask for a better ticket... Experience, with a "fresh" new candidate.. This would be perfect for both candidates and Obama would be a great VP and be able to finally be able to answer to critics on his experience. I think that would be a great administration.

Then if I was in charge I would wanna see Bill Richardson as SOS.


What do you guys think? Did anyone take notice of the kind and emotional exchange between Biden and Obama when the issue of race came up at the Iowa Caucus debate the other day? Obama rushed to Biden's defense... I had a feeling that they could be a great pair.

I have changed my opinion on Obama's electability as a VP candidate.. With Hillary off the ticket I think we would be unbeatable.

[annie1]

1. It would be awesome.

[quinnox]

2. Obama would be a weak VP

I don't see what help he brings to a Biden ticket. But Biden on the top of the ticket, well I could live with that!

[phillyliberal]

4. what?

what does he bring to a Biden ticket? Well the fact that he has been a top 3 candidate in literally all polls since the process began..does that mean anything? He has a large amount of support in younger voters... many of which have no opinion of Biden.

And he brings the fresh new political identity that many don't see in Biden.. It would be a great match in my opinion.

[Inuca]

9. Obama would be a SPELNDID VP

especially so with Biden. They would complement each other perfectly. What he would bring to the ticket? Everything that makes so many people so excited about him, minus the problems due to limited experience. Also, he is young, and in 8 years he would be a wonderful and experienced candidate.

[gateley]

3. I think they would make a great team and they would compliment each other

very well. I think Biden would be a great mentor, and actually give Obama some latitude and more power than many vice presidents receive (Cheney notwithstanding). With Biden/Obama, we'd have all the bases covered, extensive experience and knowledge of the realities of Washington and around the world, and a youthful perspective full of hope and enthusiasm.

I'd also love to see a Biden/Boxer ticket, but I don't get the same "magical" feeling from that as I do for Biden/Obama.


EDIT to add -- they're both REALLY intelligent!

[Frustratedlady]

12. I agree with Joe mentoring Obama, as I think that has been an ongoing fact.

If I remember correctly, I think Joe took Obama under his wing as a newbie and guided him through some of the hoops. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I wouldn't want to see the ticket turned the other way around, though.

Of all the candidates, I think Joe is the only one who could fight back at the Swiftboaters we know will appear.

Joe `N' O - Works for me!

[CrispyQ]

31. Joe `N' O

I love that!

To the OP, I think it would be an outstanding ticket & one that even election fraud couldn't defeat.

[Franc_Lee]

5. Obama is lighter on his feet thenn Biden...

[skipos]

6. It would be great.

Biden could capture voters who want experience, respect from foreign leaders.
Obama could capture voters who want a "fresh perspective." I think Obama could maintain all of the enthusiams he has right now as VP. Biden as our nominee could choose virtually anyone for VP.

They are both great speakers too.

[Caseman]

7. I would go for that ticket but...

...I don't think the Obamamites would care for it.

[Radical Activist]

8. Biden has foot in mouth disease

I've seen no evidence that he has been cured. You can get re-elected Senator after saying some dumb things but it could wreck a Presidential campaign.

[Think82]

14. Give me a break. Substance, please? Not media mischaracterization and conjecture

Biden/Obama would be an AMAZING ticket

[Radical Activist]

36. Like plagarizing a speech?

Calling Obama a "clean, articulate" african-american candidate.

"you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent."

Either he has foot in mouth disease or he has some underlying prejudices he needs to work out. Take your pick. I think I'm being generous.

Sometimes Biden sounds great and says very intelligent things. But whenever I find myself impressed by him I hear him again a few weeks later and he says something dumb or takes a policy position I can't agree with. His positions on Iraq were like that too. It was something new every time I saw him on TV for several years. He's like a roller coaster.

[Think82]

43. addressing each of these absurd accusations taken out of context:

The Indian thing: Biden was saying how indian immigrants are owning family-run dunkin' donuts and 7-11's in his state and praising the racial diversity and family-oriented immigrant businesses in delaware. And it's the truth... A lot of immigrants own these franchises. I'm not sure what sort of racism this comment implies.

"clean and articulate" was a compliment paid to Obama as an exciting candidate.... the only word that was wrong ot use was "clean" by which he meant "fresh" or politically clean, as having an unblemished record. And he IS articulate by anyone's standards/

Biden has as good a record on civil rights as ANYONE to have ever run for president. He gets 95% of the minority vote in his state.



In terms of Iraq... Biden knows Iraq better than anyone else... and anyone who has studied the war knows that it is a MOVING TARGET. Biden was the first to come up with the best possible solution for a federal system which they're constitution calls for. His plan won overwhelming bi-partisan support in both houses of congress.

Your self-righteous ideological indignation is noted. Get off your high horse and learn the facts, Che Guevara.

[Radical Activist]

50. Let's live in the real world.

Do you want a nominee who can keep the focus on the issues or a nominee who has to keep explaining all of the silly things he says by putting them in context and making excuses? Which do you think is more likely to get elected? This isn't ideology. Its common sense.

[Think82]

57. no. Biden actually talks about issues more than any other candidate. It's idiots like you who keep

bringing it up. You can find just as many distractions with other candidates, you might as well pick the smartest and wisest (and the best debater)

[Think82]

44. Oh, and this:

The plagiarizing thing... Biden had given attribution to the same speech all across Iowa that campaign, but failed to do so on one occasion. Then, this one occasion was taped and exploited by the Dukakis campaign. Dukaakis later fired this staffer for the clear smear job.

[Steely_Dan]

60. I'll Field the Plagiarism Thing!

Biden mistakenly forgot to give credit for a part of his speech that he had given credit countless other times before. He has since apologized for it more times than anyone could count. That ONE omission was brought to the attention of the press by none other than (that bright light of inspiration), Dukakis in an attempt to bring him down in the primaries. It worked! He was swiftboated by a member of his own party. Dukakis, to his credit, has apologized to Biden for ruining his run for the Presidency.

I don't have a problem with someone forgetting to acknowledge someone else's work (especially if he acknowledged that person countless times before in the same speech during the same campaign). I do have a problem with Dukakis for ruining Biden's chance at the Presidency. Who knows where we would be now if Biden had not been swiftboated?

Shame on Dukakis.

-P

[jakem]

15. it is funny though-

once you claim 'foot in mouth' or whatever other condition as your own, it is like it doesnt matter any more-

look at * and his foot in mouth-

look at reagan and his senility- isnt it adorable?!

look at Bill and his womens

[Radical Activist]

37. Maybe its too generous?

Yes, it is the nicer way of describing someone.

[Inuca]

19. No, he does not

It's mostly in the urban legend category. He is a very effective and often unscripted speaker, which means that at times he may say things that are not "perfect" or can be miscounstrued. Given how long he has been in the public eye and the amount of public speaking he has done "foot in the mouth" is a gross exageration.

[Frustratedlady]

23. The MSM may work him over for some things he says,

but the public sits up and listens. There are MANY things that need to be said in this campaign. A plain talker might be what the people are looking for...I know I am. He got the greatest applause when he "talked plain" at our last meeting.

People hunger for justice and they aren't going to settle for less.

Just sayin'.

[ecstatic]

33. I guess Obama could chuckle and give a stamp of approval

when Biden blurts out dumb comments.

[dkf]

10. I could definitely go for that.

Obama is my 1st (well I'd go for Gore if he were running) and Biden is my 2nd.

[Inuca]

11. Welcome to DU phillyliberal!

Great sig, by the way :-).

[William769]

13. Biden has sense enough not to pick a loser.

[Drunken Irishman]

17. That's why he should pick Obama. ;)

[Inuca]

20. LOL n/t

[TeamJordan23]

16. Obama/Biden is more realistic. And my fav. ticket. nm

[Inuca]

21. Maybe more realistic, but NOT better n/t

[Caseman]

26. Neither realistic nor better...

...because Biden has already said he won't accept the VP or SoS position.

[1corona4u]

29. Exactly...

and in MY opinon, Obama is still riding the tricycle with the training wheels on.

[Inuca]

30. True

that's not what I meant though, but I was careless in phrasing.

[maximusveritas]

34. They all say that

because they're running for President.
However, once the race is over, I'm sure any of the candidates would be glad to take the VP spot. Even Hillary.

[Think82]

45. True, but I think Biden can do more in his Senate leadership position

in terms of affecting policy. Of course, I could be wrong.

[BringBigDogBack]

65. Mine as well

[Egnever]

18. I love that ticket!

And agree it would be unbeatable no mater how you pair them.

[Inuca]

28. It would be more unbeatable with...

Biden at the top. Much as I like him, Obama has potential vulnerabilities that will be savagely attacked, and most attacks are directed towards the top of the ticket, not towards the VP candidate. Biden on the other hand, is almost attack-proof. They will find/invent things, but they would have to use their imagination a lot more. Of course, it will much depend on who will end up heading the repub ticket.

[Egnever]

41. I honestly don't think we can lose to the pack we are running against

However like I said I will take that ticket either way.

I agree that Joe is rock solid and he was actually my first choice for President but since he cant seem to catch on with mainstream america I am getting behind Obama. It was hard to let go of Joe but after researching Obama the last few days I am quite comfortable with it.

[1corona4u]

42. Wow...

you'd be the first true Biden supporter I have seen jump ship. I won't be swayed that easily, and if I did, it certainly wouldn't be to change to the least experienced of them all. I think the prudent thing to do, would have been to wait until after Iowa, but that's just me...

[Egnever]

58. I am waiting till my caucus

I live in Nevada. If Joe makes a good showing and looks like he has a shot I will stand in his corner. However if it apears he has no shot It will be Obama all the way.

Experience isnt everything. Cheney and rumsfield had tons of experience but look how badly that worked out.

Besides the idea that Obama has no experience I find to be a dishonest argument. He has been fighting for years for Ethics reforms and equal rights. Its judgement I am more interested in and He seems to have very good judgement as does Joe.

[1corona4u]

62. That's cool..

but I feel like Obama will prove to be a big mistake. Amongst other things, I think he has an agenda that does not include all of us. Specifically, the baby boomers, and so I will not be able to vote for him. He has pin pointed his campaign towards the youth, while ignoring my age group.

He declined to attend the AARP debate, and stated; "there were too many debates scheduled", but has had time for all of the college events. That tells me, he didn't think it was an important group to address. So, unless he's on the ticket with Joe, he doesn't get my vote.

[Egnever]

66. Well considering the AARP signed on to the prescrition drug plan

I dont think AARP is doing such a great job standing up for you either.

But I have absolutely no problem with you sticking with Joe. Like I said its all about how it looks when my turn comes.

[1corona4u]

67. Well, I just turned 50...

and I'm in great health, and completely without any meds at all, 'to keep me alive'. So right now, it's not an issue for me. When I do need drugs, like an antibiotic or my Flonase,(for the occasional sinus infection) I order from Europe, no prescription needed. They are a fraction of the cost we have here.

[Inuca]

53. Unfortunately, I think we can still lose

the odds are in our favor, no doubt about it, but there are still too many unpredictables.

[Egnever]

59. Its absolutely possible.

Not likely In my opinion but possible.

[Franc_Lee]

22. I would prefer Obama choosing the VP. should be pretty interesting because everything the man

has done to date has been impressive.

[1corona4u]

24. I think that's the way it should be.

[jefferson_dem]

25. Flip 'em and we have a winner.

Biden has become my personal favorite for Obama's veep.

[Inuca]

35. I understand and to a large degree share...

... your enthusiasm for Obama. I would be really curious though if you could share why you think that an Obama/Biden ticket would be better than the other way around. This is meant of course without any snark or anything ike that, as I said, I like Obama a lot, and if Biden does not make it, he would become my overwhelming favorite. I would not go here into the long list of Biden's qualities and qualifications, I simply think that a ticket headed by the more experienced man, with the incredibly promising, smart, and charismatic younger man in the VP slot makes more sense, both short term and longer term.

[jefferson_dem]

39. I appreciate your question.

I will not diminish Biden's fitness for the top office. He is more than qualified and I could support him with pride and vigor. However, in my opinion, Obama is the perfect *fix* the country needs at this moment in history, as President. That's all.

Together...Obama-Biden or Biden-Obama would make an ideal team. Obama offers a fresh, positive, inspriational vision for governance. Biden offers heaps of profesessional skills, experience, and admirable rhetorical "frankness." They compliment one another with perfection.

[Steely_Dan]

61. Nice Post....

I personally prefer Biden first...for a number of reasons. But I will only name one. For me, the most important issue we face is in the area of foreign affairs. I know that there are many others that feel domestic issues are more important. I can't argue with those that believe domestic issues are that important...because, they are! I just happen to believe that we live in a global community and we have become the bully in the neighborhood. We need to fix those issues first. As much as I LOVE Obama, I honestly feel that Biden has more experience in this area. No knock on Obama...believe me.

-P

[Inuca]

63. Hey! I could have written that!

In other words, I 100% agree.

[PufPuf23]

51. I like the Biden and Obama VP combo too

I love the charisma of Obama.

The experience, common sense, and humanity of Biden.

Getting to know Obama as he builds depth for a future as POTUS.

Good mix of foreign and domestic policy.

Seems a good short term plan and long term plan for the USA.

I prefer Edwards over Obama because of his populist message and understanding of what needs to be addressed regarding corporations, medical, and insurance. Also not often mentioned, Edwards has the best understanding of rural issues of any dem candidate save Richardson.

[gmudem]

27. That would be a great ticket

It's highly unlikely but it would certainly be a great combo.

[MadBadger]

32. Best ticket I could Imagine besides Gore/Obama

[bunnies]

38. Id vote for Biden in the primary if I knew for sure he'd pick Obama.

Im not sure its my dream ticket but It'd be a damn good one. Especially with Richardson as SOS. Thats pretty kickass.

[ginchinchili]

40. There's never any guarantees, but Biden choosing Obama for VP

makes the most sense for Biden, the Democratic Party, and our country. The Democrats could probably occupy the White House for 16 years if Biden was to win the nomination and chose Obama as his running mate.

[bunnies]

46. I agree.

I dont see any Republican ticket even coming close to beating Biden/Obama... then in 8 years Obama will have the most of the best kind of experience.

Do you really think Biden can win the primary?

and on edit: If so... How?

[Tejanocrat]

47. .

:puke:

[BenDavid]

48. Not good....Biden will be painted as an extreme liberal and

the only way I see Obama on a clinton ticket is if the republican nominee selects an african american to be his vp. The only choice would be for Condi Rice to be on the ticket as VP. Then it would seem pausible to have Obama...but HRC does not need obama to carry Illinois in 08. If there is to be an african american on the ticket with HRC then I would nominate Harold Ford Jr. from Tenn. to be the vp selection.

Ben David

[1corona4u]

49. I like Harold Ford....

great guy!

[Inuca]

54. We have to disagree on this one

nice looking though... :-)

[1corona4u]

55. Ok. Not sure why you don't like him...

but ok.

[PatSeg]

69. There is something about him that I just don't particularly

trust. He rarely smiles and comes across as pretty conservative.

[Steely_Dan]

52. Absolutely!

A Biden/Obama ticket is the most ideal ticket that I can imagine. I have been saying this here off and on for quite a while. For me, there is not even a close second to Biden and what in my heart of hearts I feel he could do to bring us back together. Obama? Think of what he could learn in a four or eight year term as VP. It would set him up perfectly for a Presidential run that NO ONE could beat.

Biden/Obama represent a unique opportunity in our history. I hope that people can give this team a close look and see what so many others have seen.

-Paige

[WheelWalker]

56. Biden-Obama is tops. There is no greater opportunity for the Dems and no greater

hope for our nation.

[BringBigDogBack]

64. I'd be ecstatic with that.

[Blue_In_AK]

68. It could work

although I would prefer Edwards/Biden in some combination.

[momto3]

70. It would be fantastic. eom