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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:33 AM
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Gore or ? needs to run, if for no other reason than to
Edited on Sun Dec-16-07 01:37 AM by sjdnb
end the litany of Obama v Clinton BS, with the smiggin of BS served up for Edward on the side.

It's getting ridiculous. IMO, none are 'great' candidates, with Edwards the best of the lot. However, some of the criticism is, frankly, ridiculous.

I actually was foolish enough to try to start logging the threads that either misrepresented or obfuscated the truth SOLELY to bash one of the candidates ... They came too fast for any mere mortal to be able to make sense of. But, from the 10 I was able to research, all 10 either misrepresented the facts and/or didn't make any effort to be factual.

But, given two far better candidates lost in 2000 and 2004 (fairly or unfairly), we better find/pick someone who can rise above the Obama/Clinton fray ... and, fast.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:45 AM
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1. Without Gore in the Race, We Could be Looking at pResident Yuckabee
in which case we are all totally fuckabeed.

Kicked and Recommended
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 02:16 AM
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4. Personally, whatever we did wrong in 2000, we need to change now...
which is why this year i'm volunteering, i'm talking to my friends, i'm calling voters, i'm learning about the records of all the candidates, i'm giving money. it's OUR fault if we end up with huckabee.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 02:19 AM
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5. That won't happen
We will have a Democrat in the White House in 2009, however, the question remains, will it be a Democrat in name only or a true Democrat?
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 02:24 AM
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8. And, you're willing to risk it?
After the last seven years, I'm not.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 08:16 AM
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16. No, I'm not willing to risk it but I don't have to.
I was one of Gore's legion of followers. I would be again in a heartbeat if he threw his hat in, but if he doesn't, we don't need to run around like Chicken Little.

Molly Ivins, many years ago, told us, in her fine essay about curing a chicken-killing dog, that the way to cure that dog is to take the chicken it killed, and wire it to that dog's neck and leave that chicken there until it rots and no one, including the chicken killing dog can stand the smell. That dog will never kill another chicken. Just so the analogy is clear, let me say that the Bush administration is the dead chicken and all of America is that poor, stupid dog and we won't ever, or at least for the coming election cycle, vote another Rethug into the Whitehouse, no matter what sorry assed person we put up as the Dem nominee.

Read her essay, it was magnificent, just as she was, God rest her beautiful Texas sized soul. http://www.creators.com/opinion/molly-ivins/molly-ivins-november-4.html
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 03:32 AM
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13. Everybody on Here Said That in 2004 too
when we were running a war hero with decades of experience in the Senate.


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fdonagaugh Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:53 AM
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2. It's like Godzilla vs Eddie Haskel
with the Beav standing off stage ... hoping he'll be called to 'stand in'.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 02:15 AM
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3. He didn't do it in 2000 so it's not going to happen now...
the a--holes in this country had their chance and we blew it. so, that's the way it goes.
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 02:21 AM
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6. No, actually he did WIN in 2000,
the Supreme Crock took it away. And, in 04, machines did the stealing.

Doesn't mean you give up on Democracy or the USA, does it?
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 02:31 AM
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9. but the supreme crock is the same, and we gotta come up with...
new s--t in order for it to work out. which means gore can't save us now. He gave it his best shot and the pubs were able to put that rodeo clown in the white house. so we gotta come up with a new game. I'm willing to do a lot more this year, than i did in 2000. in 2000 i did nothing but vote. this year, i'll put some sweat into it. gore did his part, and i don't think his doing it again will save us.
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 02:39 AM
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10. Gore and even Kerry were better candidates -- and, here's why
They both had years of experience, both were/are highly intelligent and knowledgeable, and both had a moral compass that guided them to a bigger picture/vision that I, frankly, don't believe (with the possible exception of Edwards) the current candidates would recognize with the J Webb telescope.

And, while both lost, they lost with their honor and dignity in tact.

While others appear far too willing to sacrifice it, for a win, in the primaries.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 03:22 AM
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12. Gore HAS Come Up With a New Game
Gore has learned how to go around the Mighty Slime Machine and get his message out.

None of our other candidates has any way of doing that. Sure they may be able to do so eventually in another 5-10 years, but that won't help us in 2008.

We can't win in 2008 without Gore!

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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 03:51 AM
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14. Agree that Gore was a better candidate than HRC...
its funny though now that i think about it, both Gore and Hil both suffer from being so stiff. that definitely gets in their way. Gore was awesome. i can't believe he didn't get florida, well, he probably did. pretty sick.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 03:57 AM
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15. And Gore is Way Better NOW Than He Was Then
He ISN'T stiff at all now. He has rock-star status, a Nobel Prize, books, movies, and a message that is being heard around the world.

This is the kind of candidate we need.

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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 02:23 AM
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7. If only there were more than 3 candidates running
"Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos"
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 03:19 AM
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11. The front loaded primary system guarantees a flawed candidate
I understand what you're saying about 2000 and 2004 compared to this year.

It's going to be over before we know it and not many of us will be happy. Of the three Edwards the only one with a platform that's good. One problem, that's a result of a transformation. There isn't enough of a record to show that he's actually behind real social justice. But he may have changed, in which case he'd be very good.

Inside baseball coverage is how MSM serves theier corporate masters make sure that there are no real issues covered. Very clever on their part. Dieasterous to us.
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