My friend just said she'd vote for Nader

[ButterflyBlood]

now this doesn't really bother me since she lives in upstate New York. What does annoy me is she honestly has no reason to vote for him. She knows nothing about him, or his stances. She's only turning 18 right before the election. The only thing she knows is she really hates Bush but she won't vote for a Democrat because she's pro-life. And apparentely she doesn't care that Nader is pro-choice.

While it may not matter in this case, how can we lure these types over?

[RandomKoolzip]

1. Candy Bars and shiny buttons.

n/t

[Kahuna]

30. Ha ha!

Wheeeeeeew! That's a good one.

[MrSlayer]

2. Smack some sense into her?

Seems reasonable. If not, try getting her to read up on the issues.

[Walt Starr]

3. I dunno, maybe demand a loyalty oath twelve times each day

Slam her over and over how she has to be ABB or she's really voting for Bush.

Maybe tell her how she's directly responsible for over 500 American deaths if she decides to vote for Nader which is really a vote for Bush.

Call her a traitor two ofr three times each day.

You know, the standard DU methodologies.

[JVS]

9. Yes, that should do it.

[RandomKoolzip]

10. Ooooh, somebody's bitter!

n/t

[Walt Starr]

12. Nah, the McCarthyite Jackbooted Bullshit on DU these days

CRACKS ME UP!!!!

[RandomKoolzip]

19. Right.

You're on our blacklist now, Starr.

At long last, do I have any sense of decency? (Short answer: no.)

[MurikanDemocrat]

24. But we've already learned the truth doesn't work with idiots.

[spooky3]

4. if she really hates Bush, I would explain to her what happened in

2000 since she was probably too young to remember it. Then ask her how she could sleep at night if she helped make the same thing happen AGAIN.

[NNN0LHI]

5. You already answered your own question: "she won't vote for a Democrat"

Scratch her of the list and move on down the line.

Don

[Kahuna]

33. I agree Don. Don't waste time with people who would..

cut off their nose to spite their face. There are plenty of reasonable people who are willing to be persuaded. I have at least two new voters lined up. I know another two that I can line up.

[tedoll78]

6. If she's pro-life..

I'd rather her vote for Nader than Bush, even in New York. THAT would be a bigger threat, and we can't take any of the Gore states for granted..

[wuushew]

7. Tell her Nader is NOT running as a Green

therefore no benefit for those who want a better environment or enjoy the recreational use of marijuana.

[Jackpine Radical]

8. Get a tub of water, preferably cold water with ice floating in it.

Push her head under the water. Pull her head back out. Ask if she has reconsidered her vote. If she still likes Nadir, push her head under again. Repeat the process until desired results are obtained.

[smirkymonkey]

20. ROFL!!! That is the

funniest thing I have heard in a while! The thing is, I think it just might work.

[slackdude]

11. Beer

Buy her vote with a case of cheap suds.

[Renew Deal]

13. Give her issues to think about.

Over load her with fairness, college plans, electability and lots of other things that affect her. If she is going ot support one pro-choicer, she can support another.

[Kolesar]

14. Have her send for an absentee ballot then snatch it from her mailbox

Fill it out yourself.

I was going to say lock her in the prayer closet for an afternoon, but I had a better idea.

[searchingforlight]

15. Is she just pro baby life?

How about pro young soldier life? How about infant mortality? How about state sanctioned murder? How about all the lives that are lost to poor healthcare.

Everyone loves a baby but if one is really pro-life, there are many bigger issues that many/most pro-lifers turn their backs on or even support.

[Tinoire]

16. Tell her Kucinich is pro-life too in every deep sense of the word

which means pro-life for the hungry, the poor and the innocents in war-torn countries but respectful of choice because there's no sense being pro-life just for fetuses if you don't have the programs in place to care for the children & many mothers have no real choice until then. Oh and tell her Nader likes him and toured with him.

[MurikanDemocrat]

17. Good case for raising the voting age to 21. She's too stupid to vote.

Just like a lot of 18 year olds who don't have a clue about the realities or any rationality about the political choices they make.

[Walt Starr]

22. Now that's about the stupidest idea I've ever heard in my life

Do you realize what was involved in getting an amendment to the constitution in order to grant suffrage to 18 year olds?

Do you even have a clue as to why?

Damn, shades of the Smothers Brothers.

[MurikanDemocrat]

28. Okay! Alright!

:spank:

I wasn't serious. Just venting over the girls obvious contradiction and stupidity.

[Walt Starr]

34. Okay

A /sarcasm tag would've helped me.

:D

She is being stupid but look at it this way, most 18 year olds don't even vote so this is no big deal to the bottom line this election. On top of that, I'd rather her vote go to Nader because she's pissed at Bush rather than her vote going to Bush because Kerry is pro-choice.

[MurikanDemocrat]

38. I was being pissy.

:hi:

Been at this too long today. Can't seem to tear myself away from it either. I must be a masochist.

[420montana]

27. aint it the truth my

friend, aint it the truth....

[ButterflyBlood]

39. hey, I'm 20

and most of my friends under 21 are ABB, at least those that live in swing states.

[JVS]

42. It's the good old "Rather curse the darkness than light a torch" thing

A lot of people here would rather complain about a group than try to get support from it.

[JVS]

18. I guess you have to kill her.

After all a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. ;-)

Seriously though, you can tell her that Nader is pro-choice.

[spooky3]

21. woo, that's a little extreme--tell her Brittney Spears is voting Dem.

Hmm, that may be too extreme also.

[ButterflyBlood]

41. ha ha, she listens to Carcass and Pig Destroyer!

we met on an internet record trading board after all.

[wuushew]

23. Bush bringeth the draft in 2005

All your base are belong to us

[Walt Starr]

25. Um...dude,...it's

All your base are belong to us

[DuctapeFatwa]

26. People who want a change in policy can probably not be lured to

accept even very visible and cosmetic changes presented by even the most telegenic and well-spoken candidate.

Democratic candidates who propose deviation from the status quo are not considered electable.

[smirkymonkey]

29. I would advise her to sit this one out

and wait until she's an adult to attempt the voting thing again.

Seriously though, if she's really that clueless, just tell her that the democratic nominee is pro-life. It doesn't sound like she'd actaully research it or anything. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

[JVS]

31. Tell her that voting 3rd party will make her look fat.

[Deja Q]

32. Well that made sense... (I do have a real suggestion too...)

NOT!

Let me try to understand her point of view:

She hates Bush. (no drugs needed for that.)

She won't vote for a Dem because she is pro-life and has heard that the Dem party is typically pro-choice. (so choose life and stay out of government interfering with other peoples' lives, it's that simple. This is America, not the Soviet Union...)

She wants to vote for Nader because she knows nothing of him and somehow thinks he must be pro-life even though we know he's pro-choice?! (she's naturally thoughtless or is on something because something so significant simply can't be decided by playing guesswork, without researching...)

Here is, in all seriousnss, what should be done IMHO: Tell her to look at ALL of the issues and let her make an educated choice after learning about everyone involved. Let her decide after the primary as she probably can't vote in that... But don't let one sole issue sway her that much. No one issue is that important unless it affects the majority of us (e.g. jobs that pay liveable wages); it's looking at all the issues and seeing which ones are best for both us as individuals and us as a whole country/society.

Back to fun-time commentary: I can't even begin to think of a way to say anything else with tact by now, so I'm just going to say it, for the sake of debate:

As it stands, assuming what you've said it accurate, she's totally bonkers. Forgive me for my bluntless but what you said is a true jaw-dropper. It makes no sense nor logic.

She's a good reason why the voting age should be raised. If you're old enough to seriously look at the candidates, then you're old enough to vote. If you're of mandated legal age and vote despite not looking at anyone's ideologies or track records or basing a vote on a glib generalization (e.g. "pro life"), you're a nutter and shouldn't be given the option to vote. and 18? Parties, music/media, and fashion seem to be more important to people at that age, of either sex. Gotta be in, gotta be cool. Since when has coolness mingled with politics, unless it's blind anti-establishment?

[w4rma]

35. She's a single issue voter(anti-abortion). Convince her that other issues

are more important than that one, IMHO.

[Walt Starr]

36. I'd rather she voted for Nader

than for Bush because Bush is the anti-choice candidate.

[w4rma]

40. We will *all* disagree with *every* politician on *something*. (n/t)

[mitchtv]

37. question her patriotism

it works!

[Broadslidin]

43. At Least She Is Voting.......!

At least she is taking the time to vote in this

corrupt Two party fascist republic.

[JVS]

44. ixnay on the ascismfay.

Lots of people don't like complaints about the 2 party system here.