Non-Dean DU'ers: Aren't you glad we averted a train wreck?

[Dookus]

It was obvious to me, and evidently obvious to the vast majority of Democratic voters, that Dean had absolutely zero chance of defeating Bush in November.

I am so thrilled this train wreck was averted. Now, either Edwards OR Kerry, we have a real shot at beating the fascist regime in November.

[bluestateguy]

1. I'm not going to clebrate on Dean's political grave

I preferred Clark, and I am fine with Kerry. All 10 candidates are fine men and women and I welcome the Dean voters into the Democratic campaign.

[InhaleToTheChief]

4. That's the kind of attitude we need...

This forum seems increasingly hostile within the ranks. Vote for your person, campaign for your person, but collectively wee all need to try to keep the proverbial "train" on the tracks. Wild accusations and disrespect toward other candidates don't help the cause.

[NWHarkness]

2. Shouldn't we be trying to unite?

Rather than thumbing our noses at each other?

[Old and In the Way]

3. Very true Dookus.

I'll hang with the vast majority of rank-and-file Democrats who know a real leader when they see one.

[bigwillq]

5. Enough already!

We know, you're not a Dean fan, he's "out" of the race, be happy and get on with your life.

[ixion]

6. what, with Kerry?

I'm not impressed with him at all. And it really annoys me that you are gloating.

[Bunny]

10. Gloating? What would you call this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=382157

[ixion]

18. just speaking my mind

for now, that's still allowed last time I checked.

[Bunny]

20. Is that what they're calling it now?

[ixion]

24. thanks for proving my point.

eom

[Bunny]

Oh.

Well I guess you showed me.:eyes:

[Anwen]

27. I'm sorry, but how is that gloating?

Gloat (verb) : to think about something with triumphant and often malicious delight

I don't see how that is the same thing.

[Dookus]

37. I see...

so it's OK to call the likely the nominee a train wreck, but anybody says the same thing about a 17-time loser is out of bounds.

For the irony-impaired, this thread was in response to one that was, in my opinion, infinitely more hateful, hurtful and disruptive than this one.

[Anwen]

120. Relax.

so it's OK to call the likely the nominee a train wreck, but anybody says the same thing about a 17-time loser is out of bounds.


I said no such thing. Can you show me where I said anything remotely similar to that?

I simply pointed out that the other post was NOT an example of gloating.

That's it.

[sangh0]

131. Well then. How about these?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=802700

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=113055#113069

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=780914&mesg_id=781733&page=


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=748342#748530

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=795884#798546

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=801610#801862

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=797684#797707

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=815971&mesg_id=818654&page=

[Dookus]

19. the point I'm trying to make

is that threads like the one about Kerry are just as insulting, just as hurtful, and even MORE damaging to the cause of defeating Bush in November.

why should others be allowed to attack the one guy who's winning non-stop and not expect any turnabout?

[ixion]

22. personally, I think attacking other candidates (and other posters)

is extremely counter-productive, and is one of the things that allowed the neocons to seize power.

[Dookus]

44. you'll be surprised

to find out I largely agree with you.

I was pointing out that saying hateful, hurtful things about the frontrunner is a bad idea.

For people who are offended by this thread, ask yourself why you don't object just as strenuously when the same exact thing is said about Kerry?

[edzontar]

70. Well that sure surprises ME!!!!!!!

nt.

[ixion]

82. well, I'm glad we agree

and for the record, I've never attacked any of the dem candidates. I don't believe in it. I would rather debates be based on the facts, and then people make their own decision, but I'm probably naive in that regard.

No hard feelings, Dookus. ;-)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

7. Not really. I was kind of sad to see Dean go in a sense

and mostly I just get sick of hearing how he is the only one that can save us so I get a bit bitchy.

[Piperay]

8. I don't want to kick Dean or his supporters

while they are down, I will work hard for whomever gets the nomination to insure they beat the chimp.

[AntiCoup2K4]

9. You don't beat a fascist regime with

...those who vote along with the fascists.

[mdmc]

11. Yeah, Dean really didn't offer anything to the party anyway

I would have supported Kerry , if it was not for his war support.

A train wreck is a train wreck - Kerry hasn't won yet.

The more posts I see like this, the more I like progressive candidates.

[InhaleToTheChief]

12. Note the angry Dean supporters above

Why would you want to piss off those within your party with these trash gloat-threads? I sometimes can't tell whether it is the goal of the members of this forum to beat Bush or to prove they are right.

[slinkerwink]

41. ahhh, we're right!

[juajen]

85. I think I am leaving GD2004 permanently

I am tired of all of the posts that denigrate democrats. This is so unproductive, plus being unfair to some very good people who worked hard for their candidate.

I miss Clark, but I'm sorry Dean is out, and yes, I miss Gephardt, Graham, Mosely-Braun and even, Lieberman. I wish they had all stayed in and took the convention by storm. The publicity would have been great, and we would have been satisfied that our candidates had their fair chance.

I will support the nominee with all my heart. We, or almost all of us, promised to do this; and, this in-fighting gives the enemy ammunition. STOP it, please. Remember who the enemy is. Get on board, or at least keep quiet and help to end the rabble-rousing.

[bushwakker]

13. I don't know if Kerry or Edwards can beat AWOL, but I know

that Gov Dean had no shot. It doesn't mean that I don't admire and respect him - but it is what it is. The same can be said for DK.

[mitchum]

14. I have empathy for the majority of Dean supporters...

I'm not going to let a few shrill assholes kill my compassion

[mzmolly]

15. Don't mind Dookus, "he's just talkin out his ass"

:hi: * A little play on your sigline of course * ;)

It's a little too soon to say you averted anything Dookas, as you know the Nader train just entered the station...

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[Dookus]

31. buh bye!

:hi:

[vi5]

16. I don't know that we've averted anything, but I do know that...

With a family/friend base made up almost entirely of moderate, independent swing voters, not one of them said they would every vote for Dean. Most (if not all) say the would have no problem voting for Kerry.

All we can go by is what we know personally not what any polls, pols, or media pundits tell us, and definitely not what anonymous people on internet message boards tell us.

And what I know personally is that it would have been an extremely hard road to winning with Dean as the nominee. I'm not saying we'll definitely win with Kerry but I at least feel we've got a better chance. But given what we're up against I'm not sure what if anything that means.

[MurikanDemocrat]

17. I'm not glad Dean dropped out or that Dean supporters are grieving

I knew the primary process would allow the cream to rise to the top and those unable to command support in November would be weeded out. So I never thought there would be a train wreck.

[bigwillq]

32. But that still doesn't classify as a "train wreck"

If Dean were such a cake walk I wouldn't use the term "train wreck" averted. I know you didn't start the thread but your post was put in a more clever fashion.

[MurikanDemocrat]

39. What's your point?

I said I was NOT glad Dean dropped out and that I did NOT anticipate a train wreck to begin with. And I never said Dean was a cake walk.

[bigwillq]

48. I shouldn't have replied directly to you

But I thought your post was clever in the way that you said how candidates would be weeded out. That's a lot better than all the name calling.

[MurikanDemocrat]

57. Isn't that what the primary process is for? Hasn't it always been?

That doesn't single out Dean. The primary process does not revolve around any single candidate. The primary process has been around and has worked the same way long before Dean ever came into the picture.

There were no hidden meanings in my post nor an intention to camouflage name calling. The fact is that there were 10 candidates to start with and there can only be ONE winner. The primary process allows the cream to rise to the top and the others are eliminated once they are subjected to the will of the voters.

If you will notice, Dean is not the only candidate who has been rejected by the voters. The primary process does not revolve exclusively around Howard Dean.

[bigwillq]

I hear you loud and clear

sorry I replied to you. I really didn't want to start a big discussion about the primary process. I understand how it works. Thought you were being clever with your post. Sorry, I was wrong. Moving on..

[MurikanDemocrat]

77. Okay. Sorry if I misunderstood. No harm done.

:hi:

[Guava Jelly]

21. The primarys proved it

he was easy to Gore and joe schmoe average hated him.
He couldnt win one damn state..So what makes people think he could win the nation?

[unfrigginreal]

25. What a doofy thing to say

We won't have a real shot at winning in November unless Kerry is not the nominee.

[Voltaire]

26. And you people wonder why we don't rush to join the Kerry bandwagon

Sometimes you Kedwards supporters strike me as somewhat dumber than a box of rocks when it comes to uniting the party. After the ass-reaming took from a scared to lose its position party, you think we should just shut up and go home now right? That is...unless you need us to defend your useless candidates back against a progressive push by Nader.

All of you Kerry folks will excuse me if I just say kiss my black ass.

[Dookus]

30. I don't wonder at all

I have no expectation that people who feel they need to be pandered to at every opportunity will have the maturity to vote against Bush in November.

Nor do I really care. People who base their votes on what they read on an obscure corner of the internet are so few in numbers that their effect on the outcome of the election is negligible.

[slinkerwink]

47. the irony is totally lost on them....Dean gave them spine and they still

beg for more when they ask Dean to defend them from the likes of Nader. *snort*

[Dookus]

51. I haven't asked Dean

to do a damned thing.

He's already done all I've expected of him.

[slinkerwink]

52. oh, I wasn't talking about you, Dookus

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[oxymoron]

33. cya!

:hi:

[Dookus]

34. *puts on Shirley Temple wig*

Oh no! I'll be EVER so sad!

[Blue_Roses]

35. this thread is really

not necessary. It's childish and takes away from the issues at hand

[bigwillq]

36. Agreed

I might have to go and press ignore for the first time. No offense to Dookus, but the subject matter bothers me.

[Dookus]

38. sorry

But I find it odd that a lot of the people who object so vehemently to this thread don't object to a thread saying the same exact thing about the likely nominee.

[bigwillq]

50. I have vowed not to say anything nasty

about the other candidates who are still in the running. We must stick together so we can beat the shrub.

[Dookus]

53. Thank you

and as I said above, people would be surprised to know I largely agree with you.

I was pointing out that when other people say hateful, hurtful things about the frontrunner, it has repercussions, too. Dean people aren't the only ones with feelings.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

42. Prompted by the childish antagonism on this thread

Not saying it's right. Saying it's what happened.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=382157

[Padraig18]

46. There's nothing childish about it.

It's obvious that many agree with the statement.

[mitchum]

54. How about bitter and pissy?

[Padraig18]

55. How about realistic, and anti-coronation?

:hi:

[MurikanDemocrat]

61. Only proves a lot of people agree with your childish antagonism

[Padraig18]

66. Or agree that it's legitimate.

Calling it 'childish' doesn't make it so, my friend...

[unfrigginreal]

73. If the truth antagonizes some...

then let them put their heads back in the sand and they'll be fine. It won't change a damn thing about the outcome.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

The fact that any agree with it doesn't make it mature

YOu moan about the treatment Dean gets and dish as though that makes it better.
Yes it was childish, antagonistic and smarmy. All done in an attempt to deliberately antagonize, then like Dean you cry when it gets dished back at you.

on edit: Out of 119 posts on your thread, you are 37 of them and there are many people disagreeing with you. THanks for confirming you agree with yourself.

[Padraig18]

80. I've not cried foul.

And the fact that you call it 'childish' and 'smarmy' doesn't make it so. It's QUITE obvious that I am hardly alone in my sentiment. Deal with it.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

83. Out of 119 posts on your thread, you are 37 of them .

And there are quite a few disagreeing with you as well.

So you agree with yourself. How novel.

[Padraig18]

84. So?

People don't contribute havily in their own threads, in your experience at DU? Your experience must be totally different from mine, then.

:wtf:

[XanaDUer]

109. No, but it is ironic that you once ran to ATA to complain about someone

else "kicking" their own threads. And was that not "abuse", because it was over whatever hours old.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=120&topic_id=13076

[Cuban_Liberal]

112. Actually, his post in ATA was about threads that were DAYS old.

Just thought it would be nice to be factual. :)

[mitchum]

119. Ironic and typical

[Feanorcurufinwe]

123. Yes I thought that was the all-time most petty immature ATA complaint.

[Dookus]

59. You are correct NSMA

Anybody can search my posts and find that I haven't started an anti-
Dean thread in a very very long time, and in fact, I have started precious few of them at all.

But when others feel they can slam the likely nominee in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY THIS THREAD SLAMS DEAN, they need to learn that it works both ways.

We all have feelings, we all support our candidates, and at least in this case, I'm not contributing to the downfall of the likely nominee.

[Padraig18]

62. Teach me a lesson?

I never realized I had such power. I'm flattered. *bows*

[dsc]

40. I have printed your profile

when Kerry's campaign, as it surely will, asks for money I will print it and write Hell no across the top.

[Dookus]

49. *shrug*

And I'm sure you were going to contribute otherwise. :eyes:

Why people would let an anonymous stranger on the internet control who they vote for or who they support financially is beyond me.

[dsc]

68. I don't have a lot of money

I will be asked to donate for Congress, our best shot at LaTourette in years, and for Senate, as well as President. So who I give to is a decision I have to make. With not a little sacrifice I managed $70 for Dean. I gave money to Gore, I gave money to Clinton, and I gave money to Dukakis. So yes, I am one who tends to give money.

[Dookus]

74. I didn't say you don't give money

sorry if I implied that.

I meant specifically giving money to Kerry.

But my point, as I've said repeatedly, is to show that hateful, hurtful threads against Kerry are no more warranted than hateful, hurtful threads against Dean. In fact, I think they're less warranted since Kerry is our likely nominee.

[Darth_Kitten]

43. He had a real chance.....

a really good chance. :shrug:

[Guaranteed]

45. Yeah...but watch out for that nuclear meltdown! nt

[Nashyra]

71. I am finally convinced that we are better off

without some of the Dean supporters, if they are so bitter that they can not even go along with what their andidate asked, then we certainly don't need them in Nov. I'm sure that if Dean was reading DU and saw what was being posted in his defense he would not be impressed. Dean had a passion for GETTING RID OF BUSH, I don't think that he would take kindly to some of the type of support he is getting
here at DU. I would say think about your posts and think about what your candidate might think before you post.

[Guaranteed]

104. I don't think Dean would be impressed

with the hypocrisy of voting for someone that's been voting for Bush for three years.

[ldoolin]

56. Yeah, we averted a train wreck all right.

Nader's running.

Are you people satisfied yet?

Nader would probably not have thrown his hat into the ring if Dean had been the nominee.

I hope you people who spent so much time and energy destroying Howard Dean are satisfied.

[mitchum]

63. Maybe you need to take that up with the voters who overwhelmingly...

rejected your good doctor (rather than hectoring people on a freakin' message board)

[Guaranteed]

69. LOL

He IS taking it up with those voters.

[Voltaire]

75. Overwhelming my ASS!!!!!!!

It always amazes me how Kerry supporters can't seem to count either. Hardly any registered Democrat has even VOTED yet and you people want everyone to get in lockstep besides this deeply flawed candidate. Go and look up the percentages of registered Democrats as opposed to the number of registered Democrats who have voted so far. Frontrunner though he may be annointed GODDAMNIT don't give me overwhelming majority of voters. That's lazy. That's the kind of bullshit REPUBLICANS do. Get us a better candidate before you start demanding unity. If not, keep quiet until all the votes are counted. Bush will still be there when we get done.

[Padraig18]

76. Bravo!

WELL said! :thumbsup:

[mitchum]

86. No thanks, I have no desire to overwhelm your ass (whatever that is)...

however, I would like to point out that all of the candidates had the same chance at the criminal non-representational advantage which Kerry secured. I didn't demand any unity from you. I only have one request:
Cry me a fucking river

[ldoolin]

79. You can only take it up with so many voters at a time

Some of those voters appear to be right here.

[mitchum]

89. Yes, but DU hardly represents the Democratic electorate...

despite what the delusional may...think.

[mobuto]

58. -No-

I supported a candidate other than Dr. Dean, but we won't know until November if I made the right choice. Its not constructive to dance on his political grave anyway.

[Dookus]

60. I agree

I didn't start this to be constructive.

I started it to demonstrate that no one faction has the monopoly on starting hateful, hurtful threads.

[mot78]

64. Shouldn't this be locked?

This thread is blatant flame bait.

[Dookus]

67. it is no more flamebait

than it's sister-thread attacking Kerry in the same exact way.

[Padraig18]

72. It's a continuation of a flame war in another thread, BUT...

I'm glad it's not locked.

[MurikanDemocrat]

81. So you DO admit you started a flame bait thread

:-)

Close enough to admitting childish antagonism to me, even if you refuse to say so in those same words.

[Padraig18]

87. Sorry, wrong answer!

The initial post is not flame bait; had it been, the Mods would have locked it. that a flame WAR broke out is a different matter altogether. Can I help it if kerry supporters are thin-skinned and insecure that the lie about 'electability' is being shown to be just that?

:shrug:

[MurikanDemocrat]

90. Not true that the mods will lock all flame bait. Not true at all.

[Padraig18]

91. Yes, it is.

Flame bait, by definition, will be locked. Read the rules.

[Walt Starr]

65. Well, you won't know until November 2nd

That's the telling day.

Edited to add: IMO, you caused one.

[Hav]

78. .

Well, I have to say one thing...you really got what you wanted Dookus.
I find both threads stupid but I guess that was your point.

[Dookus]

88. Yes it was

thanks for noticing.

[WI_DEM]

92. only after Dean gave the party some spine

on the war and on the Bush tax policies even David Broder has a column on it today how with Dean in the race we are now questioning Bush's decision to go after Saddam Hussein rather than concentrate on the real war on terrorism.

Celebrate all you want, that is your right, but I don't think we necessarily have a better chance of winning with Kerry or Edwards. With Dean we had a candidate who had sharp policy difference with the administration. I suppose to some winning the election is everything rather than standing for something along with winning.

[Dookus]

93. I have to think that

somebody who wins 15 primaries is better suited to carry the flag than one who has won zero.

I also have to believe that one who is currently beating Bush in the polls is better suited to carry the flag than one who was never beating Bush in the polls.

[slinkerwink]

94. oh, I beg to differ----when Dean was the frontrunner, some polls had him

beating Bush.

[Dookus]

95. can you link them?

[slinkerwink]

98. you're the one asserting that Dean didn't lead in any polls.....

link them ALL, every single poll you can find before Iowa...it is upon you to provide the burden of proof since you are making that assertion or else it is not a factual statement that you are claiming it to be.

[Dookus]

99. clearly

all you have to do is link to ONE poll to show me wrong.

I could post 1000 polls showing Dean losing to Bush, and you could continue to say "that's not all of them".

Why not just show me a national poll showing Dean beating Bush? YOU asserted there was such a poll.

[Dookus]

113. hrmmm

4 hours later and no such poll.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

121. Well

there is no such poll, as far as I know, there never was a poll that showed Dean beating Bush.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

122. Is that true, what you said?

I don't think so. You are mistaken.

[Deja Q]

96. Keey, yes, because of military experience

Let's hope he wins and brace for the worst.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

97. Yes, although I disagreed about Dean's chances against Bush

till the public's reaction to the 'Scream' speech. Even afterwards I think it is overstating it to say he had 'zero' chance.


The real train wreck would have been if Dean had actually been elected. All the phony rhetoric in the world doesn't give a leopard the ability to change his spots.

[Skip Intro]

100. YAY! The illegal invasion of Iraq is off the table! g.w.moron thanks you.

**This is not intended as a slight toward a man I respect and admire, Dennis Kucinnich.** I am merely going with the premise that was laid out in the original post - Edwards or Kerry now that the Dean "trainwreck" has been averted.

The Dean "trainwreck" - only a uniter could come up with something like that at this point.

If Nader had a shot....

[Padraig18]

101. I HOPE EVERY DEAN SUPPORTER AT DU READS THESE REPLIES

Best advertizing that Sen. Edwards could ask for.

[gardenista]

102. (Some) K&E supporters- Why the need to bolster yourselves

with threads like this?

Dean supporters are people I respect. I was a Dean supporter. Dean brought an important contribution to the national debate, and made it ok to attack Bush. He made the next Dem nominee much more electable because he helped bring Bush down my standing up to him. Something a couple of guys who voted for the IWR seemed unable to do.

The Dean supporters I know are falling in line and ready to support the nominee. Yeah, there are some threatening to go 3rd party. It's your job as supporters of the potential front runners to attract them to your candidate.

This thread is a poor excuse for making yourself feel better about denigrating Dean and Dean supporters. Why don't you get off that ass you're so fond of talking out of and rally people to your cause rather than throwing darts at the wounded?

[Dookus]

106. Perhaps you should read the whole thread

as well as the other thread bashing Kerry in GD04.

I was mocking a thread that denigrated Kerry and his supporters. Clearly, the outrage shown here for THIS thread, but not by the same people in the OTHER thread shows a damnable double-standard.

Kerry's fair game for any kind of childish attack, but Dean is sacrosanct.

Sorry, politics, and life, don't work that way.

[gardenista]

108. I have never, ever posted an attack on another candidate

Either as a Dean supporter, or after I stopped supporting Dean and threw my support to Kerry.

I understand that this was a reactionary response to another thread.

However, given that you are supporting the front-runner, it would benefit your cause more if you took the high road.

To say that "Kerry's fair game, but Dean is sacrosanct" is just delusional.

Thanks for the life & politics lesson. I've been doing fine for 44 years, and as a yellow-dog Dem that started in politics campaigning for Humphrey, I appreciate your efforts, but I'm doing fine on my own.

[Cuban_Liberal]

110. If this thread hasn't alienated every Dean supporter at DU...

I'll be amazed. OTOH, as an Edwards supporter, I can't say I mourn your loss. Good thinking, guys--- we appreciate the help!

:)

[mitchum]

115. Are you going to throw a hissyfit about the anti-Kerry thread?

Something tells me you won't

[w4rma]

103. Maybe a train wreck wasn't averted but you have helped to cause one. (n/t)

[Cuban_Liberal]

105. What a great advertisement for John Edwards!

Thanks! :hi:

[dsc]

116. You sure have that right

[curse10]

107. Yes!

:-)

[quinnox]

111. Hell yes

First, speaking diplomatically I do give Dean credit for energising the party, but he simply wasn't the right man for the top job. He was great at broadening the scope of the debate, and forcing the other candidates to take a hard left in their criticism of Bush administration.

But as a potential nominee, it would have been a Titanic-like steamroller for the GOP.

With Kerry(let's face it probably the nominee) or Edwards taking on a very weakened Bush, it is starting to look very good indeed.

[mdmc]

114. sorry

I'm sorry

[mdmc]

128. so sorry

Why would you want to piss off those within your party with these trash gloat-threads? I sometimes can't tell whether it is the goal of the members of this forum to beat Bush or to prove they are right.

[Dr Fate]

117. I did not support him, but I cant say that...

...who knows- perhaps he would have kicked Bush/media in the ass and pulled through- who knows...

[cosmokramer]

118. Glad Dean is gone.

I am very glad that Dean is done and that the 'train wreck' has been avoided. However, I am not satisfied with Kerry or Edwards, though they are both infinitely better than George Bush.

Edwards voted for the war, and he partially drafted the Patriot Act, and has ZERO foreign policy experience.

Kerry voted for the war. At least he has foreign policy experience which will well equip him to at least have a fighting chance against the GOP thugs.

General Clark, I believe, had a much better shot at taking down the monkey currently enthroned in the White House, but now he is out.

I hope General Clark will be considered as VP or SOS--he will make Cheney look like a pool boy.

VERY glad Dean is done--what a loose cannon. He looked okay on paper, and the Deanies campaign was great, but their candidate has issues.

[otohara]

124. What's With This "We" Shit?

Unless you and the other non-DU'ers are political whore pundits in the corrupt corporate media, I don't see how you and our little group here averted anything.

BTW....Aren't you glad Dean took an early stand against Bush, Iraq and gave balls to the IWR, Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind Kerry and Edwards?

Oh wait, Edwards never has waivered in his support for the illegal, immoral invasion has he?

[mdmc]

126. DU support of Kerry

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=386036

[mermaid]

125. On What Do You Base This Assertion?

n/t

- A Dean Supporter

[Mile Hi]

127. Funny the conservatives thought otherwise

You can believe that they weren't afraid of Dean, but read what they wrote in their own conservative rags

The Weekly Standard

The Appeal of Howard Dean
From the September 15, 2003 issue: Why he could be Bush's more dangerous opponent.
by Stephen Moore
09/15/2003, Volume 009, Issue 01


Republicans are said to be salivating over the prospect of a Bush-Dean match-up. They shouldn't get carried away. Howard Dean, warns John McClaughry, has been "underestimated throughout his political career. He has an uncanny knack for finding where the political capital is stored and walking off with it." The trick for Dean is to ensure that the ultra-liberal positions he has taken in the primaries, which contradict his sometimes centrist record, don't cripple his ability to reach out to Middle American voters in a general election--should he make it that far. If he does, and then finds a way to zig-zag back toward the center, Howard Dean could be George W. Bush's worst nightmare.


Stephen Moore is president of the Club for Growth and a senior fellow at the Cato Institute.

[Cuban_Liberal]

129. Keep this puppy kicked--- the Edwards campaign LOVES Dean folk!

I wonder what genius of a Kerry supporter thought this thread would be a 'good idea'? LOL!

[ShaneGR]

130. That makes sense, kick em while they're down.... wtf

Zero class.

[Cuban_Liberal]

133. This whole thread was a 'temper tantrum' tit-for-tat thread.

And this Edwards supporter is LOVING the naked hatred and eidicule being shown Dean supporters by Kerry supporters in it. If there was EVER any doubt about what Kerry folk think about Dean folk, this thread removed it for anyone who can read...

[NewYorkerfromMass]

134. It's in response to a punkish crap thread attacking Kerry

not that posting punk in response is a good idea.

[dawn]

132. No.

I think Dean was a victim of media bias, long before the scream. They propped him up to tear him down.

Dean was my second choice. He would have been a clear alternative to Bush.

I really wish we could have Edwards/Dean for November. Unbeatable, in my opinion.