Hillary As An Agent of Change

[emilyg]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/derek-shearer/hillary-as-an-agent-of-ch_b_76156.html

[MadBadger]

1. This is the new talking point for Hillary

That she is an agent of change. They are starting to realize that the experience argument isnt the winning argument. MSNBC showed a speech given by Bill where he stated that HRC was an agent of change, at least 7 times.

[Politicub]

13. I hope so!

If it is, it's a good one and I hope it resonates with the American people. Only Hillary has the wherewithall to take on the GOP establishment and bring about change in the US. She will not back down when push comes to shove, and that's the kind of person we need as our President to clean up the mess that Bush is leaving behind.

[antigop]

29. Oh, I get it....the new Mark Penn soundbite. Gee, how did this soundbite poll? n/t

[blm]

30. I believed change meant we'd have open government and access to stonewalled documents

but that isn't what Bill Clinton delivered in the 90s - he sided with continuing the protection of Poppy bush's secrecy and privilege, allowing BushInc to grow stronger throughout the 90s without oversight of congress.

Leading us DIRECTLY to Bush2 - 9/11 - global fascist agenda of BushInc.

Hillary will only change the mask used - from aggressive fascism to smiley-face fascism.

[Skidmore]

2. I have one question....

has Bill finally started inhaling?

[NewHampster]

3. Some quotes from the Shearer article

"She is, in fact, the true heir to the New Deal tradition of the Democratic Party, but for a new era."

"I have spent forty years in progressive movements and democratic governments, first as a student activist then as an official in state and local government, and later as a federal official and US diplomat. I would not stake my reputation on supporting just another politician. I know Hillary, I trust her and I am certain that she is one person who will be the leader that our time demands."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/derek-shearer/hillary-as-an-agent-of-ch_b_76156.html

I too trust Hillary.

[BootinUp]

4. Thank you for posting this.

I enjoyed reading it, nice endorsement.

[emilyg]

14. So did I.

[mtnsnake]

5. K&R

[durrrty libby]

6. K & R

[Rock_Garden]

7. K&R!

[BeyondGeography]

8. Shows you how wrong they've been about this election

Remember this gem from earlier in the campaign:

“I want to work within the system,” Mrs. Clinton said. “You can’t pretend the system doesn’t exist.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/03/us/politics/03clinton.html

Another day, another Hillary.

[Tellurian]

21. So, Tell us, how is Obama, working outside of the system,

plan on getting legislation passed through the system?

[DrFunkenstein]

9. That's Setting The Bar Pretty Low For Change

You could say Mitt Romney is an agent of change after Bush, and you'd still be technically correct. I'm looking for more than "better than Bush."

[Cameron27]

11. Who's your candidate?

Clinton's votes stand up to Obama's and are actually better on many issues than Edwards.' So on specific issues, what's your criteria for change, and how is Clinton worse than anyone running besides Kucinich?

[sandnsea]

18. How is Clinton worse?

My candidate is no worse than yours. That's all you guys have been saying all year.

I'll tell you one way she's worse. She can't put together an effective campaign and that's the ONLY argument she had going for her in the first place.

[Cameron27]

31. No, that's not all the Clinton supporters have been

saying, but the hypocrisy is stunning, and the only way to try to stop it, is to compare everyone side by side and see where the chips really fall.

[mod mom]

10. "in the manner of FDR " FDR was a populist Hillary is a corporatist.

[Tellurian]

22. Excuse me...but Obama is the darling of corporations..

"Obama, meanwhile, is Wall Street's darling, according to campaign finance reports. Contributions to candidates come from industries that have a stake in preserving the NAFTA-style status quo - and, as anyone who has worked a day in politics knows, big campaign checks come with an expectation of complicity."

[bvar22]

33. LOL!

"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[SIMPLYB1980]

12. K&R

[geek tragedy]

15. People aren't buying it.

If you want to keep the Democratic party and the country more or less the way it is, vote Hillary.

I mean, look how awesome the Democrats in Congress have shaken things up.

[Tellurian]

23. People aren't buying Obama's pie in the sky HOPE..

The problem with Obama is when you scrutinize his Health Care plan you see that it isn't universal, although he promotes his plan as such. Obama is "HOPING" people won't notice his Health Care Plan is inferior to Hillarys.

[eridani]

16. Change? I thought most of our politicians were already bought and paid for

--by the defense industry, Wall street, etc. That Clinton gets the biggest chunk of change from them is no change at all.

[OneBlueSky]

17. Hillary is too tied to corporate interests to be an "agent of change" . . .

what we'll get if she's elected is piecemeal change, pseudo-change, and the illusion of change . . . but no real, substantive change in the government/corporate power structure that is destroying the environment, U.S. jobs, the economy, and the position of the United States in the world . . .

[Tellurian]

24. see post #22

[fujiyama]

19. LOL That's just funny

Hillary is THE establishment candidate. I see very minor changes to the status quo with her being president in the unlikely scenario she actually wins the election.

[PurityOfEssence]

20. More like the Agent Orange of change...

Neither forward nor backwards is "still": truly the third way.

[Tellurian]

25. Are you saying Obama isn't using DLC Plans in his campaign?

[PurityOfEssence]

26. News flash: there are other people in the race

No, he's a bit more corporate-friendly than I particularly care for, too. They're both for a modified version of the status quo, whereas it seems to me that the corporate stranglehold is not something that can be cheerily endured with much expectation of any substantive and necessary change.

[antigop]

27. BWAHAHAHA! Agent of change -- NOT!

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=K02

[antigop]

28. Ask the Center for Responsive Politics....

http://capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=315

As John Edwards and Barack Obama continue to assail Hillary Clinton for accepting campaign contributions from Washington lobbyists, she has tried to dispel their accusation that being the top recipient of K Street's money puts her in the pocket of entrenched corporate interests.

Among Clinton's defenses is that lobbyists also work in the interest of ordinary people. "A lot of those lobbyists, whether you like it or not, represent real Americans. They represent nurses, they represent social workers—yes, they represent corporations that employ a lot of people," Clinton said at a Democratic candidates forum in August. That's when Edwards and Obama, who refuse contributions from federal lobbyists, first strongly called on their front-running rival to do the same.

According to data from the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, however, Clinton's assertion doesn't quite hit the mark. While some lobbyists certainly do represent "real" people and large corporations, those who are contributing to the 2008 presidential candidates—including the senator from New York—aren't on Capitol Hill to talk about the issues of nurses or social workers, or firefighters or cops. By matching lobbyists who have donated to the presidential candidates this year with their clients, the Center found that these individuals are instead largely advocating for big industries such as pharmaceutical, automotive and computer companies.

Bryan Jones, director of the Center for American Politics and Public Policy at the University of Washington, said Clinton's claim that lobbyists represent the everyman is misleading at best. "It's not honest at all," he said.

"The first thing I'd want to know is how much is from lobbyists representing traditional industry groups and how much comes from unions," Jones said.

[proudmoddemo]

32. If Change Means More of the Same:

If change means voting for the Kyl-Lieberman amendment because she didn't bother to look at the NIE. If change means never admitting to mistakes, then Hillary's a change. If change means favoring corporate cronies over the American people, then Hillary's a change. If change means having her campaign run a nasty smear campaign worthy of Karl Rove that makes up lies about her opponent, and tries to smear his past with allegations of a religious affiliation and drug use, then Hillary's an agent of change. Hillary would be a change--going back to yesterday instead of forward to tomorrow. That's why I will NOT vote for her.