Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

MyDD: Edwards and Obama (Complimentary to Edwards, not to Obama)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 11:49 AM
Original message
MyDD: Edwards and Obama (Complimentary to Edwards, not to Obama)
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 11:50 AM by wyldwolf
The other night in a Manhattan bar, I was with a group of Democrats--smart, political but not politically active Democrats. They were all, I discovered, Obama leaners. They didn't love him but they liked him. Why, I asked. He's something new. What do you mean? I asked. He'll change things. How so? He's black. That's a good reason to support him, I said, and I meant it. He's eloquent, someone said. Definitely, I said. Two people said they felt much better about Obama because he'd been blessed by Frank Rich.

Oy.

It's been quite an achievement, convincing voters that you're an agent of bold change without proposing bold change, selling yourself as a bold truthteller without telling any bold truths. But then most voters don't do a lot of reading or research, much less deep thinking. Elections are won on impressions, feelings, vibes, and if people think Obama represents change, then he does.

Granted, Obama isn't an easy case. He gives everyone something to like. (I, for one, like what he says about our criminal justice system.) If elected he would have to make choices that disappoint either Michael Eric Dyson or Andrew Sullivan but for now he's keeping them both enraptured. And in one sense, he does represent change. It's silly to deny that with Obama at the helm, the country would, at least for a while, look and feel different to people around the world. And to Americans. For what that's worth.

But that's not merely what Obama is promising. He's promising transcendence, a magical release from partisan nastiness. Good luck! I'm sure Obama's palpable decency and empathy will lead corporate power and its political benefactors in Congress to lay down their political guns. He's selling unity and hope, yet what he's proposing to do wouldn't create much of either. It's progressive policies, not good intentions or expressed desires, that create unity and hope. Obama wouldn't even roll back Bush's tax cuts for the rich; he'd keep them in place until they expire in 2011. Very unifying. The unacceptable status quo--in which the powerful are way too powerful--will only be strengthened if it is ratified by a black "liberal" president. That's my fear.

You can argue that as a black man, he has to tell the guardians of the establishment what they want to hear. Nothing if not a skilled pol, he knows what he's doing when he stresses his Christianity, his opposition to Tom Hayden Democrats, his support for free trade, his belief in American exceptionalism. Maybe he's playing the powers-that-be for fools, attempting to smuggle a Trojan Horse of progressivism into the White House. Maybe he would emerge as the excellent progressive he used to be. I hope so. If he's a transformational progressive, surely it's not too much to ask that he run as one. There's not a single issue of importance on which he's running to the left of Edwards.

Yet Edwards, for better for worse, hasn't challenged Obama...

... Mention any of these things to Obama supporters, and they will dutifully mention Edwards's support for the war or some other bad vote he cast when he was in the Senate. Or they will point to Obama's voting record. What they want to avoid is a comparison of the positions, beliefs, and preoccupations at the heart of their campaigns--how they are choosing to run and proposing to govern. Edwards thoroughly rejects the corporate-friendly neoliberalism characterized by fealty to "free" trade and budget austerity. Obama doesn't. Edwards tips over establishment sacred cows like the so-called War on Terror and the 1996 Welfare Reform Act. Obama props them up. Edwards preaches the importance of the labor movement everywhere he goes; Obama couldn't bring himself to even mention unions in his speech to the DNC.

more...

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/12/11/105810/17
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 11:55 AM
Response to Original message
1. It's possible that Edwards has challenged Obama less than Hillary because both the Edwards campaign
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 11:56 AM by Stop Cornyn
and the Obama campaign would mutually benefit from Hillary finishing third in Iowa.

Plus, with the exception of health care, Obama is certainly closer to Edwards' agenda than Hillary, who is pretty far away from Edwards on key trade issues.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Obama Stabs his buddy Edwards in the back, right between the shoulder blades
READ THE LEAFLET PASSED OUT TO IOWANS BY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/Obama%20Oppo%20on%20JRE%20-%20On%20Labor%20in%20Iowa.pdf


(couldn't get it to copy and paste)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Edwards must feel like a fool, after torpedoing his own campaign to help Obama
Dropping Oppo

December 10, 2007

Circulating among Iowa labor circles, I am told, is this leaflet, which looks to be a standard opposition-research paper against former Sen. John Edwards, D-NC.


(see link in above post)

The shocker? It's from Mr. Positive, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois.

Not that it's a shocker that Obama is drawing contrasts. (UPDATE: The Obama campaign says this document came because a local union requested information on the differences between him and his opponents.)

It's a shocker because Obama chief strategist David Axelrod told ABC News that "One of the things people appreciate about (Obama) is he’s not a cheap-shot artist" and this flier is full of cheap shots.

The cheapest shot ... that Edwards somehow has something to do with Whirlpool when the company was closing down Maytag plants in Iowa, Illinois, and Arkansas.

Why is that a cheap shot? Because the link is that Edwards worked for the controversial Fortress Hedge Fund while it owned stock in Whirlpool as it was shutting down those plants.

But some argue a far more direct link exists between Obama and those plants shutting down. It's not one I agree with -- I think both are silly attempts to link candidates to lost jobs -- but I think the one linking Obama to the Crown family to those lost jobs is slightly less ridiculous.

The Crown family -- Lester, Renee, James, Paula -- have been supporters, fundraisers, and bundlers for Obama.

Lester Crown was on the board of Maytag when it decided to shut down a plant in Galesburg, Illinois, and sent those jobs to Mexico.

In August 2005, Crain's Chicago Business reported that the Crowns stood "to reap an estimated $86 million from the sale of appliance maker Maytag Corp. to rival Whirlpool Corp. After a bidding war, Newton, Iowa-based Maytag agreed Monday to sell to Whirlpool for $21 a share in cash and stock. Maytag has said the Crowns hold about 4.1 million shares."

Shortly after that merger was announced, Whirlpool shut down those plants in Iowa, Illinois, and Arkansas.

Do I think Obama is responsible for the plants shutting down? Nope.

But he should know better than to attack Edwards on the same subject.

People in glass houses in Newton, Iowa, shouldn't throw Maytag dishwashers.

Or something like that.

-- jpt

(NOTE: This blog has been updated to reflect the Obama campaign's confirmation that they created the document, and to better convey my skepticism about both charges.)



Please Read the User Comments (79)

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2007/12/dropping-oppo.html

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #1
13. But Edwards is not taking money from lobbyists - Obama is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:15 PM
Response to Original message
4. I would have been shocked if MyDD had anything positive about Obama
They never do.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Why attack them...the material posted has been verified as fact..
Should have known Obama was a Judas...He put the poor kid out of business after building up Obama's membership on Face Book. Obama had his thugs take iit away from him offering little or no payment for his months of hard work.. Not very presidential!

Obama is a fraud. Get used to hearing the word and also the statement: "Obama is NOT presidential Timber!"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. If you download the pdf...you'll see the Obama Campaign's approval at the bottom of the page..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:07 PM
Response to Original message
7. I didn't know Obama had more conservative tax proposals
More conservative than Hillary? anyone got the facts handy?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. here's the link. It really deserves it's own thread
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:15 PM
Response to Original message
9. Edwards must be a handled candidate
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 01:16 PM by penguin7
All these beliefs you says he has are polar opposites of those he had before.

How can someone change their whole belief system so radically and quickly?

Edwards has not thought deeply about any of these issues. How could it possibly be otherwise when 6 minutes earlier he had opposite positions?

And ten minutes from now Edwards will probably have a new different world view.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sick_of_Rethuggery Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #9
15. Shhh...
You are not supposed to talk about Edwards' record -- he is saying the right things in this campaign, that is the only thing that matters: what you say in a campaign, not your life, not your record in various elected offices, not the real progressives issues championed and won...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:16 PM
Response to Original message
10. Well done, wyldwolf
Thoughtful post. Thanks for it.

K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:32 PM
Response to Original message
11. The guy who wrote that is a big supporter of Edwards
Of course he's complimentary to Edwards.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Just one biased bloggers editorializings about how Edwards is better than Obama.
And it's offered here by a Hillary supporter. Sweet.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:46 PM
Response to Original message
14. Does a good job of summing up Obama's vanity candidacy
and the danger it poses to actual progress if he's elected.

K/R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 10:54 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC