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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:54 PM
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"Obama Campaign Goes Negative on Edwards in Iowa" (DailyKos)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/10/201829/93


Obama Campaign Goes Negative on Edwards in Iowa (w/ Update)
by TomP
Mon Dec 10, 2007 at 11:24:25 PM EST
Well, this is interesting. ABC is reporting that the Obama campaign is circulating a pamphlet attacking John Edwards.


Circulating among Iowa labor circles, I am told, is this leaflet,which looks to be a standard opposition-research paper against formerSen. John Edwards, D-NC. The shocker? It's from Mr. Positive, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois.

snip

It's a shocker because Obama chief strategist David Axelrod told ABC News that "One of the things people appreciate about (Obama) is he’s not a cheap-shot artist" and this flier is full of cheap shots.
ABC News

Come around after the fold and let's talk about this interesting turn of events from a campaign we keep hearing is "surging," but feels the need to go negative against John Edwards.

TomP's diary :: ::
This is not the first time the Obama campaign has left the high road. Of course, when they went negative, Obama didn't know. And senior staff likely did not know.

There was this time.

His campaign staffers, too, have become frustrated by the focus of the media’s attention, specifically that the press has not covered Clinton in the way they expected it would. During an interview this summer, Obama’s friend Valerie Jarrett said to me, unbidden, "He is a man who is devoted to his wife. There aren’t going to be any skeletons in his closet in terms of his personal life at all. Period." And at a campaign event in Iowa, one of Obama’s aides plopped down next to me and spoke even more bluntly. He wanted to know when reporters would begin to look into Bill Clinton’s post-presidential sex life.
Ben Smith's Blog (quoting Marc Ambinder in The Atlantic

Probably just a low level staffer. Of course, Obama didn't know. And senior staff likely did not know. I'm sure higher level folks would never approve researching Bill Clinton's sex life, or even suggesting that reporters do so. Must be overzealous junior staff.

And there was the Senator from Punjab memo:

HILLARY CLINTON (D-PUNJAB)'S PERSONAL FINANCIAL AND POLITICAL TIES TO INDIA The Clintons have reaped significant financial rewards from their relationship with the Indian community, both in their personal finances and Hillary's campaign fundraising....
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/...

The document, which the Obama campaign tried to clandestinely distribute, was traced back after it landed in the hands of the Clinton campaign. The Clinton camp, in turn, passed it along to The Times, hoping to show that the Obama campaign, like all others, use opposition research in an attempt to define their rivals.

The headline of one of the documents, which referred to Mrs. Clinton as "D-Punjab," touched off a furor among Indian-American groups that called on Mr. Obama to apologize for the remarks.
NY Times

Just a screw-up, though. Nothing Obama or "senior staff" ever saw. Of course, Obama didn't know. And senior staff likely did not know. That damn junior staff is at it again.

"It was a screw-up on the part of our research team," said Mr. Obama, an Illinois Democrat. "It wasn’t anything I had seen or my senior staff had seen."
NY Times

And then Paul Krugman decided to criticize Barack Obama's use of right wing talking points to attack the univeral health care plans of Edwards and Clinton. That damn junior staff was at it again.

Something's really gone off the rails when the Obama campaign decides to release an oppo document on Paul Krugman. It's not only the actual attacks that are weak (most of them rely on misinterpreting one comment, then misinterpreting the next, then pretending there's a contradiction), but, seriously, it's Paul Krugman. Arguably the most progressive voice in American media. When I argued that the campaign should take the gloves off, I really didn't expect their target, in this document and in the health care fight more generally, would be progressivism. What in hell is going on over there?
Ezra Klein

Here's a link to the oppo document:

Fact Check: ''Krugman Didn't Always Think So Poorly Of Obama's Plan''

Of course, Obama didn't know. And senior staff likely did not know.

Chris Bowers today brought up some interesting things on Open Left:

cont'd at link....
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:59 PM
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1. Here's the pamphlet
courtesy of ABC:

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/Obama%20Oppo%20on%20JRE%20-%20On%20Labor%20in%20Iowa.pdf

Rest assured it's the most "hopeful" dirt Team Obama could find.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:06 AM
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3. Damaged...
I get an error (damaged document...)...

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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:07 AM
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5. It works for me
Could be the version of Acrobat you're using.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:26 AM
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12. It worked for me...
There are %20's in the pdf url that may not be working in your browser for some reason. If you have a second browser you might try it?
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 09:08 AM
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32. Bullshit. It's not a pamphlet. It's a fax requested by labor unions.
It's Edwards own record.

It's something all campaigns do.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:00 AM
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2. So much for a "tongue dipped in the unvarnished Truth" ?? n/t
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:06 AM
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4. Please click the link.....
Much easier to read.

:hi:
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:10 AM
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6. Thanks for the post Wave-
It's too bad. We'll probably hear a lot more about stuff like this in the next couple of weeks.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:16 AM
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10. Yes, it is too bad....
You're welcome rocky :hi: I'd rather be discussing issues :(
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:13 AM
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7. Let us "Create a KIngdom on Earth" such a phony
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:14 AM
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8. A citation of Edwards' record, combined with D-Punjab and the overblown Krugman "oppo" allegation
A little bit of ancient history (D-Punjab), a little bit of already discredited reporting (the laughable Bowers piece) and the overselling of a flyer on Edwards' record by Jake "Who is Barack Hussein Obama and why does he think he can be president" Tapper.

First one to say, "whatever happened to the politics of hope?" wins.
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:15 AM
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9. so much for the politics of hope
I'll take Senator Edwards anyday on trade, as he strongly spoke out against the Peru Free Trade deal, unlike Senator Clinton and Obama who both said they supported it.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:24 AM
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11. What about Edwards' vote for China MFN?
Kucinich has brought that up several times. The damage done by giving China free trade access without checking on human rights issues, environmental issues and other problems is far more devastating than NAFTA, for instance.

Edwards is not squeaky clean on free trade issues by a long shot. Look at his record. I look at that before I hear someone say they would do something completely different "the next time".

The Peru Free Trade deal at least makes them adhere to human rights, environmental, worker safety and other issues...it's not perfect, but it certainly is an improvement. Unless we want to be xenophobic isolationists (it's far too late for that), we have to look at equitable and fair free trade with cooperating countries willing to adhere to human rights, environmental, worker safety and other issues.



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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:35 AM
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14. Show me an Edwards link that states he thinks he's perfect?
His "I'm not perfect" on the stump is well known, he begs people to challenge him. Unfortunately, this thread is about someone named Obama who thinks he's perfect, and according to Oprah, a Deity, The One.

The Kos diary is well researched, please refer to the link in my OP, and if you can, please comment in the Kos diary. It's fun!
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:34 AM
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25. Yes, he does beg people to challenge him.
He feels he OWES people an answer to the toughest questions they can throw at him. If his answer isn't going to be what the questioner wants to hear, he will tell them that they won't like his answer but they deserve to hear the truth.

This man is so refreshing!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:27 AM
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29. Oh come on...
Neither Obama or Edwards think they are perfect. Nor is Oprah. Don't play that Clintonian game...

Instead of dodging the question, perhaps illuminate on how and why Edwards has not been examined for his China MFN vote. Did he apologize for that too?

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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:28 AM
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13. Yes, sad but expected
It's sad that this is the way things will go, but I expected it sooner or later. Obama "has" to win in Iowa, even his wife said so. He needs to do whatever it takes, even if it's something like this. Now Obama would be my pick over Clinton, hands down, but his advisors are going to start slinging mud, and playing every dirty card they have to win Iowa.

I think that we need some debates by the top three on the "issues", but that won't happen. I think that both the Hillary camp and the Obama camp know they couldn't compete with Edwards on the issues, not when they really don't have plans to solve them, just a lot of talk that they hope they don't get called on. Edwards has plans, and he is not afraid to tell the people those plans, and when the people here him, they like him more and more, and that my frieds is what the other two are afraid of!

I hope that Obama stops the attack, but I really doubt it. They want a win in Iowa as bad as Clinton, and just like Clinton, it seems they don't care how they get it! It's sad when they resort to crap like this to try and make Edwards look bad. Let's just hope the people of Iowa see through this BS.

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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:39 AM
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15. And I think we need some debates with the top 4....
that way those of us who want to hear a candidates actual plans, will have something to hold our interest. I usually do a number of things when the other 3 are on. Load the dishwasher, start a load of laundry, take the trash out...things like that until Joe comes on with his reality based factual statements.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:49 AM
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16. I'm sure Edwards has more than a little oppo-research on Obama, too
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 12:51 AM by ClarkUSA
This is what campaigns are supposed to do.... but at least neither Edwards or Obama is sending swift boating emails around like
the Clinton campaign is doing to Obama. Both men are better candidates for president than Hillary. Edwwards has attacked
Obama in the past, but I never let it bother me because I know that he and Obama are more alike than different in the way
they view Hillary.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:07 AM
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17. Ya think?
LOL...but I can assure you, it's honest criticism, not some nutsy Rovian spin :hi:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:48 AM
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20. Yeah, I think so
And you can assure me of nothing because you know nothing about Edwards' oppo-research but if it's anything like the leaked
oppo-research book of 2003, it's got more than "honest criticism" in it -- and what's the "nutsy Rovian" spin here?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 03:34 AM
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24. This is honest criticism
I don't like that Edwards chose to go to work for a hedge fund. There's nothing unfair in those two whole pages.

What a stupid petty primary.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:30 AM
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18. Oh boy, this is too precious!!!
I still remember that over a year ago someone mentioned that Hillary might run in 2008 and reportedly Obama responded with a snark that he would win over her in IL. At the time he hadn't been in the senate for even two years. The guy is as ambitious as anybody else in the running, don't let his platitudes fool you.

I wonder how the Edwards campaign will respond......... :eyes:
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 05:21 AM
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26. Hopefully they will respond as they have to Dubya's shit all year:
rapidly and forcefully.

I cannot believe the fluff that Obama is getting away with. I once thought he was a good speaker as well - now I believe that is all he is. Fluff, fluff, fluff.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 05:32 AM
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28. They won't respond, probably
It might mean Edwards has to acknowledge he has a Senate record.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:42 AM
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19. kick
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 02:58 AM
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21. How "fresh" and "hopeful" and a real "change" in politics!
:silly:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 03:10 AM
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22. Oh, give it a rest.
Oppo-research is a part of all campaigns. As I recall, Edwards had an entire pretty nasty booklet of oppo-research leaked to the press in 2003.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 03:16 AM
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23. I read it.
Doesn't seem like there's anything false in it. All campaigns do opposition research. I don't see the big deal.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 05:29 AM
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27. It's Edwards' own record
It's not even a campaign flyer. It's a piece of paper with Edwards' very own record on it. Somebody leaked it for their own purposes, which is a question maybe worth exploring. But it is all public record, not a bunch of made up shit.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:37 AM
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30. All they did was highlight Edwards' voting record regarding labor and that hedge fund.
All the campaigns do this. It's just out in the open now because of the internet and bloggers.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 09:14 AM
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33. I guess discussing Edwards actual record is now considered a "cheap shot"?
Is it that shoddy?
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:37 AM
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31. I agree Edwards record is pretty negative
Who knew?
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