I love the smell of hysteria in the morning ... and afternoon

[Eloriel]

The stench of hypocrisy I'm not so sure about.

All these threads about Nader, a paper tiger if there ever was one. Hilarious.

But the threads and posts that REALLY amuse me -- I mean have me rolling in the aisles, holding my sides -- are the ones demanding that DEAN do something, anything, about Nader.

These from the very people who demonized Dean beyond all recogniztion, told outright lies about him (and still do), refuse to acknowledge or admit anything OTHER than Dean's own faults could possibly have helped bring him down (because that would detract from their own candidate's extremely fragile credibility), jumped for joy when he dropped out, and STILL do everything they can to badmouth him AND his supporters every chance they get, and still routinely spit in our faces.

This goes way, way beyond irony.

Haha. Just saw a clip of Edwards saying that he thinks it's important to have someone at the top of the ticket who will appeal to Nader voters and he's that man. "Will Nader impact your campaign?" "No, he won't impact my campaign."

I'm not all that crazy about Edwards, but that's certainly a stronger and more straightforwardly definitive approach than some of his supporters are taking. (IOW: at least HE'S not cowering in a corner, afraid of some paper tiger boogeyman.)

[JHBowden]

1. I don't see Clark supporters doing this crap.

They got roughed up quite a bit, often by Dean and his supporters. I wonder if some Dean supporters are really from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party. Perhaps it was just for show; Nader is spreading lies again, this time about Gore being a warmonger, and some are fine and dandy with it. Given Nader was a cause for losing in Florida and New Hampshire and made Oregon, New Mexico, Wisconsin, and other states close enough for possible steals in 2000, he needs to be taken out now.

That Dean supporters would even consider fluffing up Nader as some sort of revenge for losing completely disgusts me.

[Crunchy Frog]

12. Yeah, and we're the ones

that got called Republicans. I don't see any of us threatening to run off and give our votes to a Bush enabler. I wonder who the Republicans are now?:shrug:

[Piperay]

47. I remember being told by many

Dean supporters after Gore endorsed him that if I didn't dump Clark and join their side I was a disloyal Democrat. :argh: :mad:

[JackRiddler]

74. I don't think Clark voters are Republicans...

I do think Clark is a fake - with no political record he's free to say anything, to appeal to anyone - and I remember too well what he did in 1999.

Aside from that, it's unfortunate that so many people buy the appeal of a general who invokes a New Patriotism (oh man!). I think a fellow whose career has consisted in taking orders, rising through the ranks, and finally giving orders that must be followed without question has the worst possible qualification to lead a democracy and republic. Republics historically have been undermined by military logic, not always coming directly from military men, but very often.

Do I have anything against the military per se? I think the smartest soldiers I ever read or heard, Smedley Butler and Scott Ritter, speak more eloquently on this than I can. "War is a racket." The military serves that, generally with a noble purpose. On this planet we have to find ways to move away from war as a means of politics, and towards peace among nations without need of militaries.

Do I question the honesty of Clark supporters per se? I differ radically with their perception of the man. I wish this could be said without raising the level of acrimony.

One definite exception is Michael Moore - here is crowd-hound who endorsed Nader in 2000 and then has the nerve to tell me to vote for the General in 2004 because he's electable?!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. Yes and Dean told outright lies when he tore a page out of Nader's book

and called fellow Democrats Republicans.

[donco6]

6. That's a great Vonnegut quote. Ha! eom

[killbotfactory]

7. Supporting Bush's agenda = UBERDEMOCRATS!

It's not like I've been banging my head against the wall the past few years as democrats have conceded issue after issue to the Bush agenda.

[JVS]

9. Yeah. They are true American heros

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

15. At least you were honest enough to call it the Bush agenda

[Cheswick2.0]

81. down the memory hole it goes

!

[Scott Lee]

17. Lies? They were the truth.

Here is a short list of some of the Democrats that are acting Republicans:

Zell Miller

John Kerry

Joe Lieberman

Hillary Clinton

Tom Daschle



Hint: If you don't want to be called a Republican, don't act like one, or enable one.

[mdmc]

29. Mercy

The pain...truth...pain...
Hillary is my Senator. She sucks. I used to be her biggest supporter.

[Scott Lee]

54. I hear ya. I've been there.

I'm just glad I'm wiser today.

[Kahuna]

39. Yep. Nader is going to use Dean's words to attract the..

disenchanted Deanies. He knows they're out there. NBD. It'll be like taking candy from babies, redux.

[ozone_man]

113. No, the NBD will be voting for Dean in the GE.

I will vote for Dean all the way.

Still, alot of Greens, Independents, etc., who were Deaniacs will consider Nader. C'mon, seriously, Kerry is not much better than Bush. So many have had their thirsts whetted by Dean and are now ready for a good long drink. Kerry is a desert.

[Cheswick2.0]

80. kerry called Clark a republican

Dean said they were acting and voting like republicans and he was right.
Kerry has voted like a republican for the last three years.

[diplomats]

3. Good

I'm glad to see Edwards not kissing Nader's ass. I like his response, not insulting but not groveling, either. Nice balance.

For the record, I'm not "hysterical" about Nader running. I'm confident he'll be marginalized and seen for what he is. In fact, his candidacy might just energized the Dems in the opposite way he intended.

[BootinUp]

4. Edwards could convince himself of anything

I am starting to believe.

[Leilani]

72. That's really good, Jim!

He must have charmed himself.

[killbotfactory]

5. Yeah, it's hilarious.

Nader won't be a threat to anyone this election. I doubt he'll even make it on the ballot in many states.

And the same people who continue to smear Dean demand action from him.

What a fucking joke.

I've never seen so many sore-winners before.

[diplomats]

8. No one can make Nader go away

except Nader himself. I wouldn't expect Dean or any Dem to stoop to his level.

[Cheswick2.0]

82. suddenly it's Dean's job to stop the bleeding from the left

black is white, up is down

[Mobius]

102. Dean put himself in that position by asking

his supporters to vote Dem in 2004. Nader is NOT a Dem. Why don't more Dean supporters listen to the man they profess to believe in? Dean has gotten over the sting of dropping out, why can't his supporters?

[Snivi Yllom]

97. FYI

I heard Nader is already on the ballot in Florida.

[TiredTexan]

10. Dean has tremendous honor, and has always

put the country before his own ego. He, in spite of being treated horribly by the DNC, the media, and some dems here, still wants the best for the country and is willing to put aside differences, and will work for the Dem nominee.

That's the real difference between Dean and Nader.

And that's why he was the best candidate, why I gave him more money than I could afford, and why I'm sad he's out.

And if he does something about Nader, that will be why. Because he put aside his ego to do the right thing.

I'm following his lead and doing the same.

[Eloriel]

13. If you're following his lead, why not WAIT for his lead

That would actually make better sense, wouldn't it?

[TiredTexan]

21. Dean is supporting the Dem nominee

and believes that this is the best thing for the country. I agree. I voted for Nader in 2000, and will not do so this year because of the huge mess we're in. Not that my vote'll count, anyway. I'm in Ft. Worth, TX, bushbot central.

[Jen72]

78. Dean is not going to destroy his future within

The Democratic Party. If he wants to continue in politics and make an
impact, he needs the backing of his party.
If he backs Nader or any other opposition, he can kiss goodbye to any support if he wishes to run for Governor again or for The Senate.
If you truely cared about Dean's future, don't wish that he will commit political suicide to satisfy your need for revenge on the Democrats.

[Eloriel]

93. Your whole post is a non sequitor

You might want to really read my post again. NOTHING you've said is in response to ANYthing I said or even implied. Here, I'll help you out:

The poster said she would follow Dean's lead. I said: wait til there IS a lead. So far:

* Dean hasn't endorsed anyone.
* Dean HAS asked his supporters to continue to vote for HIM in their primaries.
* Since he wants more delegates, I'm thinking he might not endorse anyone. OTOH, he may loathe Kerry enough to endorse Edwards, who knows? BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, other than his announcement against Nader's candidacy this morning, THERE IS NO LEAD other than vote for Dean.

Get it?

None of what you said makes any sense vis a vis the exchange you added on to.

[Guaranteed]

11. I'm not smug (really)

This whole thing is a terrible tragedy.

If only we had a time machine...

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. How many more pity party threads will we have for the most electable

candidate who could get everything but votes?

[arwalden]

16. An Excellent Question... And Sadly One That Has No Answer.

But thanks for asking anyway... it's definitely something to ponder.

-- Allen

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

18. I never came down hard on Dean until after his last MTP interview

but frankly, while I DO thank him for starting eraly and stepping out with the criticism, the thing that irks me most about the "victim" role some of his supporters now relegate him to is this:

If he couldn't overcome smears by Dems, what would he do in the general election when Bush did the same?

If he had Al Gore, the guy who "discovered Love Canal" consulting him ( a smear begun by the left on COUNTERPUNCH) how then could he have made a statement as open to similar smears as "the world is not safer without Saddam? Did he NOT THINK that would be used against him? Or did he plain old NOT THINK?

If he WAS the frontrunner, the why on the eve of his first loss in Iowa did he not dismiss the loss, and readily proceed to play the underdog when he wasn't yet?

If he is the fiscally sound candidate, then why was his campaign so poorly managed financially to the point where he had to skip campaigning the very next week?

[Eloriel]

22. You seem to have lost your way, NSMA

This was a thread about Nader/Kerry and some Kerry supporters crying in their teacups hoping somehow Dean can rescue Mr. Electable.

But it's real useful to distract from the subject by attacking a non-contender yet again, isn't it? Such admirable tactics you employ.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

23. Oh holy hell am I even a conspiracy now?

[The Magistrate]

50. There Is Nothing But Conspiracy, Ma'am

No feather fall from a sparrow's wing, but that the Hidden Masters have marked it for their plans a decade prior....

Gov. Dean failed to get enough votes. Right up until people actually started voting, he was "front-runner" annointed: in other words, he was largely a media creation that the people saw through.

Gov. Dean has said he will support the nominee of the Democratic Party, and wants his supporters to so as well, because he shares the conviction of so many of us that evicting the criminals of the '00 Coup from office is the highest priority for the good of our people and the country right now. That is the right thing for him to do, and the right thing for his supporters to do.

"Kill one, warn one hundred."

"LET'S GO GET THOS BUSH BASTARDS!"

[Scott Lee]

57. To put the Kerry version of Bush in office, Ma'am?

Naye. I think I shant.

How now, sirrah? What see you in those documents that makes you blanche so?

[The Magistrate]

73. A Small Question, Old Darling

Do you consider address as a woman to be an insult to a man? It would seem you do, on the evidence, and perhaps you should clarify the point....

"Kill one, warn one hundred."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[The Magistrate]

51. Since The Machine Hiccoughed

"If you don't vote for the right lizard, the wrong lizard might get in!"

"If a man will insist that two and two do not make four, I know of nothing in the power of argument that can stop up his mouth."

"Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disasterous and the unpalatable."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[Eloriel]

62. And your reading comprehension has gone to hell too

[arwalden]

49. NSMA Is Not The Enemy Here, Eloriel.

[Eloriel]

63. Perhaps not to you.

I get to decide who MY enemies are.

I wouldn't have thought of NSMA as my enemy -- and in fact, there was a time we were friends.

But now that you mention it .....

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

90. You got a post removed for calling me a "war apologist"

When you asked me if I hit the alert, I didn't lie, I responded honestly and for that I am now the enemy? Give me a break.

[Eloriel]

99. Oh hell no, NSMA. Not even close.

A stupid little thing like that isn't that big a deal to me. I only asked you personally re that deletion because I wanted to know more about how the moderation was working (or not working) here at DU -- and I explained that at the time, if you recall. Tho I'm not at all surprised you don't remember, you were way too busy continuing an argument I said I wasn't interested in pursuing further. I just wanted an answer to my question about the deletion.

BTW, it's pretty declasse to repeat private correspondence, or haven't you heard? (Might even be against the rules, whatever the rules are these days -- I can't keep track. Perhaps you can.)

I haven't actually even decided you're "my" enemy or an enemy at all. You COULD however push me in that direction should you choose. Not sure you care one way or the other; I certainly don't.

I only remember a person I used to respect, and the person I see now isn't that person at all. I don't DISrespect you exactly, I just don't understand anything about you these days. You're here, you're there (contradicting yourself), you're somewhere else (antoher 180). You're spouting untruths about certain candidates and their positions. :shrug: All of which is your right -- right?

Just as it's my right to say to myself: Who the hell IS that? Not the DUer I thought I knew.

[Cheswick2.0]

83. no that would be non atheists

We know who the enemy is and it is us!

:7

[GreenArrow]

33. "Love canal --a smear begun by the left on COUNTERPUNCH"

find me a link on that. I've seen you say it a few times, and I don't think it's true. That story originated with so-called mainstream liberal rags the "Washington Post" and the "New York Times."

here's the Consortium news article on Gore's "lies."

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2000/020100a.html

[Octafish]

53. Got your source right here.

Check out Cockburn and St. Clair's "Al Gore: A User's Manual." It's all Love Canal and Tipper, too.

[GreenArrow]

71. yeah, I'm familiar with it, though I haven't read it other than excerpts

It was published after the NY Times and Washington Post ran their smear peices on Gore. Though I didnt vote for Al, I was assidous in defending him against unwarranted lies.

It's to Cockburn and St Clair's discredit if they used the Love Canal lie, but if so, they did not originate it, which is what NSMA continues to claim. The Consortium News piece I linked earlier gives the entire history of the smear.

[dsc]

59. So he should have lied to our faces instead

BTW 6 people dead in Iraq this week. We are still on a high state of alert. There were flights from Europe canceled in the last week. And all of this with Saddam caught. Oh, and to top it off, you are flat out, 180 degrees wrong on the love canal thing. That was a Washington Post reporter who started that, and the right spread it. Don't believe me go to www.dailyhowler.com and look it up.

[edzontar]

25. If he is so electable--why are you guys so worried about Nader?

nt

[arwalden]

44. I Have Said This Already... But Here It Is Again For Those

who were not paying attention the first time.

This will likely be a close election. The country is equally divided. Every vote will count.

Simply because a candidate is deemed to be the most "electable" does not automatically translate into getting ALL or even the MAJORITY of the votes. It does mean, however, that of all the nominee contenders... the one who is most "electable" is the one who stands the greatest chance (compared to the rest of the field) of getting the most votes from the middle--and from moderate Republicans.

A realistic desire to maximize the number of votes the Democratic nominee gets... and any concern about actions that will ultimately benefit the criminal Bush*... have noting to do with how "electable" the Democratic nominee is deemed to be.

Again... this will be a close race. Only a fool believes otherwise.

Anyone who claims to believe otherwise is simply playing the role of the a puerile provocateur. Anyone who actually believes any other similar claims are simply being naive.

-- Allen

(I shall cut and paste this and save it as a text file on my desktop for the NEXT time someone asks me the SAME THING again.)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

56. Why don't you just make it a thread for the electoral college impaired?

[dkf]

67. What a great question! hahaha.

"If he is so electable--why are you guys so worried about Nader?"
Posted by edzontar
nt

Yeah, Mr. Electable should have no problem w/Ralph Nader.

[JNelson6563]

79. Or better yet...

Why did I see a thread here yesterday bemoaning the lack of unmitigated parise for Kerry? <snarf>

It will be interesting to see if all these tepid supporters actually cough up some dough to elect the guy. If they'll do nothing but vote there could be trouble.

Julie

[Maddy McCall]

19. I love the stench of melodrama in the afternoon.

:eyes:

[Kahuna]

40. The very people who have the most to lose under Bush II..

have the nerve to gloat. Unbelievable.

[Walt Starr]

20. Hysteria is definitely the word, Eloriel

No doubt about it.

[edzontar]

24. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic.

Dean has never said anything other than that he would support the Dem nominee.

I too will suppport this niminee.

But the fact that some of us refuse to be all shucks a-mighty HAPPY about the likely choice makes us (and Dean, somehow???) traitors to their "cause" of ABB.

Look, Kerry or whomever has my VOTE in November, if not my enthusiasm.

I didn't want him to be the nominee, and was never convinced of his much-vaunted electability.

But I will vote for him--so you can all shut up about that, please..

And I too wish that Nader had made the right decison not to run.

But I am not going to wet my pants and have tantrums over it.

[Walt Starr]

27. It IS hilarious!

IT CRACKS ME UP!!!!

[oxymoron]

26. Interesting.

All I seem to be smelling are the bitter, passive/aggressive supporters of failed candidates.

[MoonAndSun]

28. Which one of us passive/aggressive Dean supporters started

the "Dean has to renounce Nader" thread that started this whole mess?

[oxymoron]

31. Oh, let me change that...

bitter, passive/aggressive, and vengeful

[MoonAndSun]

36. Well, which one of us started the thread that I mentioned?

eom

[oxymoron]

43. One more time.

bitter, passive/aggressive, vengeful, and petty

[dkf]

68. Hmm. Wonder why anyone would think we need revenge.

hahahaha.

What comes around goes around suckers!

[DemBones DemBones]

30. Well said. I have been smelling that bitterness here

a lot lately. There is also the fetid odor of people stewing in their own juices, wishing very hard that our nominee will lose so they can say "I told you so. I told you my candidate was the only one in the history of Western civilization who could change the course of history, the one whose destiny was written in the stars and the I Ching and even acknowledged by the Ouija board. But those stupid voters wouldn't recognize the truth when they were hit with it."

[dkf]

69. I would gladly gladly vote for Edwards if he is the nominee

The reason I have to pinch my nose and vote for Kerry, if he is the nominee, is because he is dirty.

I don't respect the guy and I don't trust him because he seems to say and do whatever is politically convenient.

Edwards may be a so called "slimy" lawyer but I like the way he has campaigned and I like him. Kerry on the other hand makes me want to toss my cookies. Ugh.

So it is not that I hate everyone who is not my candidate. I just can't stand Kerry because I know too much and I think he will lead us to defeat thanks to his skeletons.

[killbotfactory]

32. And I see a lot of people kicking Dean and his supporters while we're down

And then crying when we express our displeasure over it.

[oxymoron]

35. And I suppose you haven't seen the Dean people smearing anyone.

The hypocrisy by some people on this board is unfuckingbelievable.

[killbotfactory]

37. Yeah, I see Dean supporters bashing Graham, Clark, Gephardt...

And all of the other "also-rans".

Oh wait, no I don't.

[sangh0]

106. What a hypocrit!!

You didn't mind kicking when they're down when Dean was leading:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=815971&mesg_id=818654&page=

[SaddenedDem]

34. Bwahahahahahaha, the post of the day!!!!

JHBowden (16 posts) Sun Feb-22-04 04:40 PM
9. Democracy is no excuse to destroy Democracy.

There isn't much room for tolerance and understanding on this issue. If one wants to team up with Bush and take down the Democrats, you're *not* democratic.
---------------------------------------------------

This one should be in the dictionary next to hypocrisy.

[Kahuna]

38. I hope you still think it's funny when bush pushes his anti-gay

agenda through. I'm straight. It ain't gonna bother me.

[Eloriel]

64. I have no idea how to answer that. I think my mind is BLOWN.

But I'll tell you this: it's easily the most remarkable post of any I've seen all day -- maybe in several days. And I've seen a few.

Hey, guys -- c'mere and look at THIS one:

"I hope you still think it's funny when bush pushes his anti-gay"
agenda through. I'm straight. It ain't gonna bother me.

It's gonna take me a while to sort this one out -- IF I can stop laughing.

Okay, let's start with the easy stuff:

I didn't vote for Kerry to be the nominee (and, despite his supporters' dreams and fantasies and not-so-sublte hints, he isn't yet) -- that right has been nearly taken from me thanks to a lot of things including Terry McAwful's frontloaded primaries. I WILL be voting for Dean in our upcoming primary, and I WILL be voting for Dean in November.

If Kerry can't earn my vote (and he can't -- tho he once upon a time had a chance), he won't get my vote. I'm done voting for junk and the next p.o.s. If the DNC/DLC can't float and promote a candidate who CAN win my vote, then they'll get what they deserve. They'll get it again and again and again until they wake up and "get it" about why they've been losing and what the DLC has cost them.

THEY'RE the ones who've been manipulating this primary race, THEY'RE the ones on whose head any "loss" must fall if either Kerry or Edwards is the nominee and doesn't beat Bush.

Mr. Electability has the field nearly cleared for him now. If he's smart, he'll at least continue doing lipservice to Dean's message, but I doubt he's that smart. And with Dean out of the race, there'll be precious little new material. Unless he relies on the unbelievably fucking brilliant folks who came up with that oh-so-memorable slogan, "The Real Deal." Boy, there's a winner if I ever heard one. My guess is Kerry thought that one up and no one had the guts to talk him out of it.

Anyway, Kerry's not quite yet the nominee, but it IS his to lose at this point. So let's see how well he'll do with it. My guess is: not well at all.

So, you're straight and so you wouldn't care what Bush will do to thwart gay rights? My, how fucking compassionate and Democratic of you to be so unconcerned about the civil rights of others. If Kerry loses, I'll care a lot if Bush rams through some kind of anti-gay agenda. But I won't be any more personally "punished" by it than you are since I too am straight. Sorry to burst your vengeful little bubble. But I WILL be more affected by it than you will be, according to your own words.

In any case, I won't be yours or anyone else's scapegoat if Bush wins. I'm not entirely sure the DNC/DLC is fully committed to ousting Bush anyway. I think they're far more committed to preserving the little fiefdoms they've carved out for themselves. They don't care about democracy, or Democratic values, or the people, or anthing else. Just money and power (and that means corporations). So if Bush wins, they won't exactly be crying in their beer, or even their teacups.

And if you come trying to blame ME, I'll refer you right back to the people that made it all possible.

[Forkboy]

66. "It ain't gonna bother me."

That's just fucking sad.What a pathetic thing to say.

[Iverson]

41. We live in an irony-impaired society, Eloriel.

Keep expectations low.

[MurikanDemocrat]

42. Could it be that Nader's timing was to exploit the self-pity and hypocrisy

of those such as yourself who seek to hold responsible a very small contingency on a message board for the majority of the rank and file of the Democratic voters who have never heard of DU rejecting Dean?

[Kahuna]

45. I think so. No doubt Nader will use Dean's accusations..

against the other Dems against our nominee. And, they wonder why the devisive Dean wasn't embraced by the rank and file Democratic voters. :eyes:

[MurikanDemocrat]

46. Shhh! We're not supposed to talk about that

Dean's divisive and negative tactics were the fault of others.

[Kahuna]

48. Oops! My bad.

x(

[IndianaGreen]

52. No one put a gun to Kerry's head to force him to vote for IWR and PATRIOT

Kerry also voted for NAFTA and Plan Colombia.

[Scott Lee]

55. Kerry is another version of Bush-hole.

There isn't enough of a difference to inspire a vote.

[JVS]

75. It was to be electable!

They knew it would turn off leftists. They didn't care. If Kerry manages to lose this election because of Nader, well boo-fucking-hoo. That goes for Edwards too.

[sangh0]

107. So did Edwards

but that hasn't stopped you from asking others to vote for Edwards.

[IndianaGreen]

109. I find Edwards to be charismatic and likable

I find Kerry to be elitist and dull.

[sangh0]

110. Changing your tune?

the only straight shooter, and the only real liberal of the bunch, is Dennis Kucinich - IG

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=113055#115302

[IndianaGreen]

114. Do you want me to vote Democratic in November?

Because that's the choice that many of us that marched against the war in Iraq and demonstrated against PATRIOT and globalization, are facing with the hand we have been dealt by the Democratic Washington establishment.

[Cheswick2.0]

85. yeah, Like Nader couldn't figure out Kerry's failings all on his own

I am sure he gets all his best material right here at DU. :eyes:

Same place Rove gets his material.... cause he's just lost without us evil Deaniacs to guide him.

[Eloriel]

101. Nader has plenty of his own material -- but even if he did

use Dean's accusations. No one was worried about that when Dean was the presumptive frontrunner and taking hits like Gephard-Kerry friends' Osama bin laden ads.

[Forkboy]

60. No,Nader announced on this exact date 4 years ago

[Eloriel]

65. I rather doubt it

Edited to add the text of the post I'm responding too for clarity's (and hilarity's) sake:

Could it be that Nader's timing was to exploit the self-pity and hypocrisy
of those such as yourself who seek to hold responsible a very small contingency on a message board for the majority of the rank and file of the Democratic voters who have never heard of DU rejecting Dean?/i]

Nader is having zero impact on me whatsoever.

Well, except the amusement factor of all this hysteria I'm finding so entertaining.

I don't care what Nader does, one way or the other. I don't like him, I'm not planning to vote for him, I only know of one Dean supporter who is even entertaining the notion of voting for him, but I do uphold his right to run. And if the DNC/DLC is bothered by his candidacy, they'd better figure out some way to deal with it, huh? Ignoring him didn't work so well in 2000, did it?

[Zomby Woof]

58. I love the smell of vapor in February

The decaying stench of the Dean campaign! :loveya:

[Cheswick2.0]

87. not decaying nearly as fast as DK....does he have one delegate yet?

?

[Zomby Woof]

89. lol!!

Well, he IS tied with Dean on the numbers of primary wins. And DK's were cheaper. Seen your 41 million lately? :shrug:

But really, I love when bitter Dean supporters have nothing left to fall back on than a swipe at DK, whenever I post about the miserable failure of the Dean campaign.

At least DK is still in the race, not a QUITTER like Dean. ;-)

[RetroLounge]

91. Poop

eom.

[Scott Lee]

95. I thought you wanted Dean to quit, Zomby

At least DK is still in the race, not a QUITTER like Dean. ;-)

Or have you changed your mind?

Give us the zomby twoooooof.

[Forkboy]

61. I love seeing so many forehead veins all pop at once

[mitchum]

70. Your fucking boy lost...

so I imagine many of the more pissy Dean supporters are well acquainted with hysteria (and probably got hooked on the feeling)

Not surprised you love the smell

People rejected Dean. I don't care how you try to rationalize or blame. Dean lost.

[JVS]

76. And people who will vote for Nader will have rejected Kerry or Edwards

So why are people here so upset?

[Iverson]

88. How to Win Friends and Influence People

Chapter cxiv.

[Scott Lee]

96. I can see why a newspaper route is in his future.

;)

[mitchum]

104. Apparently both truth and wit are strangers to you

Dem voters rejected Dean.

I will stack my present up against any future you can imagine for your pathetic self.

[mitchum]

115. So, people shouldn't support "Food Not Bombs"...

just because a witless juvenile dipshit is affiliated with them? Since you're so big on guilt by association and all...


Too bad those trucks weren't just a little bit faster...

[mitchum]

105. But it is the truth

sorry you don't like it.

[Snivi Yllom]

98. No no no no nooooooo

It's unify time not divide time remember?

"Your fucking boy lost..."

Well doesn't that make me all fuzzy inside and want to jump up and down for Kerry. LOL

On the contrary it makes me want to get out the checkbook for Ralph.

[Eloriel]

100. No need for that -- the Repugs will see he has plenty of $$$

[mitchum]

108. What kind of pathetic twit would be influenced by an anonymous

poster on a freakin' messageboard? Good god!

Rock on. You can do whatever you like (as long as the dog doesn't mind)

[Jen72]

77. I can't understand why the Green's are so happy about Nader.

He is not running as a Green, in fact not only will he take votes from
the Democrats but the Green Party candidate. This could seriously
damage the Green Party too.
Nader is doing this out of bloody-minded spite and the only people that win are Nader and the GOP.
Dean is a life-long Democrat,if his true ambition is to see * out of The White House, I seriously doubt he will be pleased with Nader's decision.
If Howard Dean wants to remain in politics, he would be a fool to
endorse anyone that damages his own party.

[quaker bill]

84. Here is the problem with Nader

With Dean out of the race, Kerry could finally start to consider his upcomming swing to the right as the nomination battle closes. Battling Dean has driven him far more to the left than he will be comfortable with during the GE campaign. The Rove strategy will be to label Kerry a MA liberal. While this is not true, it is all about image and Kerry will need to battle this

Nader will do to Kerry just what he did to Gore in 2000, specifically keep the far left in play. With Nader in the race, there comes a point of diminishing returns for a Democrat moving right to appeal to 'swing voters' because the potential to lose as many voters from the left as you gain in the center becomes quite real.

I don't like Nader and would prefer that he not run. If he is at all successful then he could assure 4 more years of Bush thus doing great damage to the causes he putatively supports.

[LoneStarLiberal]

86. Dean Can't Do Anything About Nader

This is all about Nader's desire to promote Nader behind the veil of "fighting the good fight."

There's nothing Howard Dean can do to stop him from doing it.

Who's been saying that there is?

[RetroLounge]

92. But Kerry is so gosh-darned

Electible

remember? Why would his supporters have a problem with Nader?

Yes, Why?

[RummyTheDummy]

94. I couldn't care less what Dean does....

It's obvious from his showing in the primaries his canidacy turned out to be too much about very little. And I'm talking about real numubers here...votes. Not theories about how he changed the face of politics with the internet.

[denverbill]

103. Funny thing is Nader wouldn't have been a problem for Dean.

The Bushitas knew that. And they played a lot of Democrats like a fiddle. All they had to do was keep repeating 'We want to run against Dean' and the 'unelectable' label was born.

They would've been scared shitless against Dean. Balanced budgets, health care, the Iraq war, whatever. On every major issue, Dean was the anti-Bush and they damned well knew it.

[John_H]

111. I've always said that dean is a better Dem than some of his supporters

He made a great statement on Nader, and he's never wavered from his support of the Democratic Party. Unfortunately, five minutes on DU will prove that his dedication and support is not shared by all of his supporters.

[mitchum]

112. Dean is a better Dem...while they are bitter Dems