Oprah: "I've voted for as many Republicans as Democrats over the years."

[Progress And Change]

That speaks for itself...So we now know where she has been for the past two decades...Thus far she has failed to offer a single reason why she is supporting Obama...

[ruggerson]

1. Yeah, right.

speaks volumes about her credibility.

[blm]

2. Ever read Bill Clinton's book? Bill WANTED to support William Weld instead of John Kerry in 1996.

John Kerry - who by 1996 had uncovered, investigated and exposed more government corruption than any lawmaker in modern history. Weld had protected Poppy Bush's corruption as a US attorney.

[Progress And Change]

4. what page is that on?

You're comparing Clinton's Democratic credentials to Oprah's? It is lunacy that someone who is not even a Democrat, was nowhere when we needed her in 2000 and 2004, is now influencing the Democratic nomination...

[blm]

14. What do YOU think happened in 2004? Bill Clinton was supporting Bush LOYALLY on

the two biggest issues of that election and used his summer/2004 book tour to defend Bush's decisions.

Why do you think Bill was so generous to Bush with his support throughout that time?

Hillary2008.

[dsc]

8. I would like a citation for that

I find it very difficult to believe. I could see Clinton, as I did, supporting Weld over Silber.

[blm]

21. Pg 659 - you'll be glad to know that he went with Kerry for his expertise in high technology

and environment. THAT is what Clinton wrote about Kerry knowing damn well he was the nominee for president when terrorism and national security were the two biggest issues of that election. Knowing full well that Kerry's work on IranContra and BCCI had uncovered and exposed more terror networks and their illegal funding than any other lawmaker in DC.

Aren't you glad he didn't want to lose Kerry in the senate because of his expertise in technology?

[dsc]

24. That was plain stupid of him

I will defend going for Weld over Silber but not over Kerry.

[blm]

28. Clinton and Weld were longtime pals, but there should be NO DEM PRESIDENT

even feeling one IOTA OF CONFLICT in who to support in an election.

Especially in Kerry's case as the top lawmaker in DC on open government issues and the tracking of terror networks and their funding.

[cuke]

31. Then you should oppose Obama and Kucinich

Obama supports repukes like lieberman and Oprah and uses right wing rhetoric and Kucinich was thinking about Ron Paul.

[blm]

44. Bill Clinton did more to get Lieberman elected in 2006 than any other Dem.

He went on Larry King Live to make sure to tell Connecticut voters how lucky they were to be in a win-win situation no matter who they voted for.

Funny how NONE of you think Bill and Hillary Clinton had any significant influence and pull whatsoever over the last 7 years when it came to their loyal support of Bush's decisions on terrorism and Iraq war staying on the exact same page as Lieberman and seem to believe that Obama did.

[Cha]

45. It's tragic how

they conveniently leave our how MUCH hillary and bill have supported bushit policy over the last 7 years.

Which just happens to be the reason I don't want bill or hill anywhere near that White House again. That.. and they're such liars.

[karynnj]

52. Obama supported Lamont in the General election

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. I Read The Page ... The Book Is In My Library...

He said some nice things about Weld... Weld was friends of HRC from their days on the House Impeachment Committee...Did you want Clinton to say Bill Weld was an asshole in his book?

There's no there there... But it is typical of you...

[blm]

43. Right - did YOU want Kerry to win in 2004 because of his technology expertise or

because you knew he was the top lawmaker in DC on tracking terror networks and their illegal funding and because of his record uncovering the vast government corruption that was part of it?

Puhleeze - Clinton knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he ignored Kerry's work on terror issues and the corruption that exposed those networks.

He wrote that sentence as he did BECAUSE he wanted Kerry to appear just as Clinton repeated throughout 2004 - America will always vote for strong and wrong over weak and right. That was his big mantra - knowing full well that the casual listener hears that Bush is strong and Kerry is weak. You know - all that environmental and technology geek stuff makes a man look too weak to lead against scary terrorists.

I'll bet you were so glad that Clinton kept out all that boring anti-terror stuff out of his book - especially when it came to Kerry's part.

[karynnj]

51. Not to mention he praises Weld, Kerry's opponent as someone he would like in the Senate

Yet, Weld VETOED MA's health care legislation that was passed over his veto - Kerry and Kennedy used it as a model for the bill that modified by Kennedy and Hatch became S-CHIP - the very program HRC is touting as a major achievement.

The other interaction is that Weld stonewalled Kerry on Contra documents when Weld was in the Justice Department. Kerry exposed the Contras bringing drugs into Arkansas - you would think that ending that flow would have been appreciated by the then governor.

[blm]

65. It stands to reason Bill would appreciate Weld's role in covering up IranContra and

the cocaine operation Poppy Bush was running out of Mena airport at the time - Bill supported IranContra policy and Poppy Bush on the peripheral activities.

[karynnj]

54. Look at the 2 pages

The praise for Weld is effusive, then, he says he didn't want to lose Kerry and cites technology and environment. He also has a strange comment that Kerry had worked for minority youth for decades - but there were no votes in that. (Note - look at the words used - who garnered more warm descriptors - Kerry or Weld.) Also, he does this with NO other race. There were 45 Democrats to 55 Republicans. Why would he even play with the idea of not backing a 2 term Senator, who was not scandal plagued. Not to mention, knowing he was the nominee - why damn him with faint praise?

As BLM says he doesn't mention Kerry's POW/MIA work - that enabled a Clinton accomplishment, the re-establishment of relations with Vietnam, that Kerry had just written with Kennedy a health care bill similar to the one Weld vetoed, and that Kerry had been key in investigating OBL's bank.

This was still being edited in April and May, 2004. He left out Kerry's foreign policy and terrorism credentials, right as Kerry began a general election where terrorism and foreign policy were important. Do you think this was accidental.

This doesn't even mention the selfish timing of the book - in July 2004. He did a similar disservice to Gore with a controversial interview days before his convention.

[blm]

64. They don't see it because they don't WANT to see it. They know what Clinton did was wrong

on many levels but the Clinton protecting bunker mentality demands they pretend it was all done without guile.

Like the way Bill pardoned Marc Rich because he was unfairly charged with tax evasion - how could Clinton possibly have known Marc Rich was another BCCI and IranContra being pardoned? Gee - wonder what his discussions were like with Scooter Libby.

[creeksneakers2]

25. What does that have to do with Oprah? n/t

[blm]

29. Bill had MORE RESPONSIBILITY to support Dems vigorously than Oprah ever did.

If you can't see that.......

[mtnsnake]

49. Looking down this thread, I guess your little plot to make this about the Clintons FAILED MISERABLY

But then again, everyone knows what you're up to by now. lol

How did Kerry's choice of McCain for his VP work out, btw?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. I'd Like Him Or Her To Answer That

DSB

[blm]

63. Since McCain loathed Bush at the time and given Biden's view, just because he

considered it UNSERIOUSLY as an option has made him a bad Democrat when you think Clinton's PROTECTION of Poppy Bush throughout the 90s charting the path for Bush2 and Bill and Hillary's Lieberman-like support for Bush2's decisions on terrorism and Iraq war set the standard for statesmanship in your world of Clinton worship.

[ecstatic]

3. So has Edwards and Clark nt

[frogmarch]

7. So have Edwards and Clark what?

Exposed a lot of gov't corruption? I think that's what you meant, but had to check to make sure.

[ecstatic]

10. Voted for republicans nt

[frogmarch]

16. They did? Who? nt

[dsc]

20. I don't think Edwards voted much at all prior to running for office

I don't recall reading of him voting for Republicans. He lives in a solidly Democratic area of the state so I find it a bit hard to believe.

[karynnj]

50. He said in 2004 that he does not remember who he cast his first vote for

Nixon or McGovern. His roommate in college said Edwards was for Nixon. No on honestly does not know whether they were for Nixon or McGovern.

[dsc]

55. That would be a Republican

not Republicans.

[karynnj]

70. Nixon is SO bad, he should count double!

Anyway, he was not asked about other less contentious races - say, Ford/Carter. What is clear is that he was not an active Democrat until he ran for office. There is no rule you have to have been a committed Democrat for decades.

[Nedsdag]

5. Hillary was a Goldwater Girl.

So what's your point?

[ElizabethDC]

9. She was also 17 at the time.

Hillary became a Democrat in college, so I doubt she's voted for too many Republicans in her lifetime.

[Nedsdag]

11. It's sad Barbra Streisand doesn't sell in the heartland.

Oprah does!

[Renew Deal]

6. Don't you WISH she was supporting your candidate.

You're being hypocritical.

[Progress And Change]

12. i don't want my candidate to be attracting Republican endorsements like Barack Lieberman...

[Renew Deal]

13. Huh?

So that's why you support Hillary. You WANT to lose.

[Nedsdag]

17. You've lost it my friend.

Totally. lost. it.

[Tejanocrat]

15. So ... is Oprah more of a Zell or more of a Lieberman?

[blm]

66. How would you rate Bill Clinton the top Democrat in the land supporting Bush loyally

on his terrorism and Iraq war decisions from 2001 thru 2006?

In fact, Bill and Hillary didn't adjust their rhetoric leftward till after Lieberman lost HIS primary race to Lamont.

Then Bill made sure to get on Larry King and help Lieberman again right before the 2006 election - Connecticut Dems were SO LUCKY to have a win-win vote, eh Bill?

[Deja Q]

18. Uh-oh. Here come the Doublestuf accusations...

[Tellurian]

19. Watching..."the event"..

Obama is acting giddy and childish..very unpresidential like!

His speech is so much BS..

[Nedsdag]

22. His speech is like any other political speech.

Hillary has said a lot of BS in her speeches. Oh, but she changed loaves into fishes and walks on water.

[Nailzberg]

23. I've voted for Repubs in the past, too. I can't participate in politics?

Oh well. Guess I won't vote anymore.

[Kucinich4America]

68. Dpending on which state you live in, it can be done strategically (in primaries)

For example, I know people who voted for John McCain in the 2000 primary. Not because they liked him, but because they hated Chimpy.

I'll bet a lot more people here have voted Republican than would admit it though.

And let's face it, if you voted for Bill Nelson, Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, or any of that segment of the DLC who has to literally have their arm twisted behind their back to vote like a Democrat, you voted for a Republican. And anyone who supported Lieberman last year.... nah, I won't even finish that one, or they'll be scraping my exploded head off the walls...

[Lerkfish]

26. um...you know

you're being completely transparent.

I'm just sayin.

:shrug:

[tammywammy]

30. Stating the obvious Lerkfish

Stating the obvious. I accidentally wandered into his stink earlier, now I amuse myself reading what he says.

[Lerkfish]

37. they seem to think everyone else is as gullible as themselves.

luckily, that's incorrect.

[Whisp]

27. and how many times have some 'Democrats' voted for Bush's insanity?

let's not talk about That steaming pile, tho.

[maximusveritas]

32. Hypocrites. Are you saying the same thing about Wes Clark?

Quit your attacking and start writing something positive for once.

[Progress And Change]

34. Clark became a committed Democrat

Oprah is an Obama supporter, not a Democrat as far as we know at this point. Let's see if this signals a change and leads her to work for Democrats at all levels of the ticket, across the country, starting with supporting the Democratic nominee in the general next year...

[Lerkfish]

38. so, its your position a celebrity cannot endorse one democrat if they don't

endorse ALL democrats?

that's going be rather unwieldy.

[babylonsister]

39. Give it a rest. Why are you so intent on ripping Oprah down? I smell

sour grapes. If she was supporting your candidate, I guarantee you'd say nothing. But this is thread #? from you on Oprah? Your motives are showing. :eyes:

[The Backlash Cometh]

33. Money comes first. Why should it be any different for her, than any other

billionaire?

[BeyondGeography]

36. It's called constituency building

wins elections, helps create a mandate for change and whatnot.

[KingFlorez]

40. So what?

There are a lot of people who have voted Republican before, but it doesn't necessarily say anything about their credibility.

[elana i am]

41. yes, and i was a republican before i was a democrat...

because i was raised that way. things change. people change.

whoopty-friggin-do.

just be glad that now she has decided to embark on a foray into politics she's using her considerable influence for a dem as opposed to a repugnican.

i mourn what could have been had she endorsed kucinich, but i'm not stupid enough to look a gift horse in the mouth. she's the most influential (to the general public) person in the entertainment industry and she could have endorsed a fuckpig like rudy or some religiously insane nutbar like huckabee.

[antiimperialist]

47. Yes, but Oprah didn't say when she changed. or if she voted for Kerry or Bush, or Gore or Bush

There are questions raised by this admission.

[blm]

71. Was BushInc protected and supported more over the years by Oprah or by Clinton?

Here's why BushInc grew stronger in the 90s when they all should've been fully exposed by the end of 1993:

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

Here's hostorian Douglas Brinkley's observations in April2004:
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Bill defending Bush's decisions during his book tour in June2004:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

The Carvilles on election night 2004:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

Hillary siding with Bush....again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[cali]

42. so what?

I mean really, can you get any pettier? So the fuck what.

[tammywammy]

46. Look at his other posts today

Yes, it can be pettier

[mzmolly]

48. She's supported Democrats with her cash.

http://newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=IL&last=winfrey&first=oprah

She gave $18,000 plus to Dems and $1000 to a single female Republican candidate in 1988.

[Infinite Hope]

53. So what? Most of America has. The fact that she wants a Democrat in 2008...

can only be beneficial.

[Beacool]

56. What, don't you know?

He's the new messiah of the Democratic party, the face of hope, change, etc., etc., etc. :crazy:

[Azathoth]

57. Gee, she's not a die-hard Democratic loyalist

Just like the other 90% of Americans. I guess we have to completely discount her now.

[tom_paine]

58. Don't blame Oprah, she's just falling for & into the Bushie Frame

Oh, how far the Orwellian Bushie Redefinitions of Language and Conventional Wisdom have gone these past three decades.

It works like this: The meme that Liberals and other Bush Opponents always have vile ulterior motives, while Bushies are automatically considered pure in their motivation,is now Conventional Widsom. It has been sold for so long with such evil brilliance of repetition and marketing design, and with ZERO opposition or even understanding by the Democratic Leadership of what was going on, that it is subconsciously and automatically assumed, even when people don't know why they are doing it.

All good advertising works like that, digging deep to implant an "itch" in the subconscious, a mental itch that can only be scratched by purchasing the products...or in this case BushPutinist Tyranny. (some product to sell, eh?)

My point is, because of this New Bushie Reality in which we all swim, most not realizing what it is, just knowing certain things have to be done, when assisting the Left, even the Center-Left (Center-Right, really) like Obama, which is the "Palms Up Apology and Reassurance of Clean Motive"

We have seen it a million times before, we will see it a million more, for it is now almost a Social More, so well embedded it is in the National Subconscious. To assist the Left you have to repeatedly apologize and constantly re-prove that you are not just Another Corrupt Liberal (Trademark - 1988 - Bushie Lie Machine).

So Oprah, palms outward in a gesture of supplication, pleading reassures us all that she is Not Just Another Corrupt Liberal (Trademark - 1928 - Nazi Lie Machine), and that she votes for Bushies, too.

The restructuring of a National Psyche is amazing to watch as it unfolds. As brilliant and evil as any project tlike this ever attempted before. With a good bit of better sales and marketing that Stalin, Hitler, or Pincohet enjoyed.

Anyway, that's my take on it. The Old "Palms Up Apology and Reassurance of Clean Motive", which of course Bushies are NEVER required to do because it is also Conventional Wisdom that their motives are always purest as the driven snow.

Again and again and again, the most amazing aspect of Nazis, Soviets, Bushies, Pincohet and all leaders cut from that same cloth, is their constant ability to instantly transform themselves into All That is Noble And Good to their followers, transforming people who would normaly have been good and decent in their lives into acceptors and perpetrators of totalitarian evil.

And it works...again and again and again.

http://www.amazon.com/Defying-Hitler-Memoir-Sebastian-Haffner/dp/0312421133/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197208607&sr=8-2

Anyway, a little convoluted and windy, but there's your explanation. Oprah is proving her impartiality and virtue in palms out supplication to Bush-Occupied Amerika, captive before our TVs.

FULL DISCLOSURE: I dislike Oprah and her show.

[mtnsnake]

59. Good post! nt

[Viva_La_Revolution]

61. excellent analysis..

I always learn something reading your posts. :)

[balantz]

62. "Right" on the "money"!!!

Oops, meant to reply to #58.

[tom_paine]

69. Thank you. I'd be lying if I said I never did that, without fully understanding

what I was doing. And even done it after I understood, sometimes like a reflex.

That's what makes Bushie Propaganda so pernicious, is that because they had an open playing field for so long for RW Radio and other propaganda arms that eventually wove into the Bush Party-Loyal Sub-Media and Lie Laundry, a multibillion dollar enterprise, no matter how hard we all try it will always be a part of us all.

It's awful to realize that Big Picture, but it's true. And to my mind it explains a lot. "Why do the Democratic Leaders always walk into Bushie Traps? Why do they always cede the linguistic battlefield, using Bushie Frames which are half the battle lost before even begun. Sure it's unethical, odious and deeply unAmerican, but if it is being done, if we want to uphold the beautiful nation we were handed we had better FIGHT BACK. And our leaders have failed us woefully on this, there can be no question. Failed us for two decades or more.

"Just ignore that little man and he'll go away."

Doesn't that strategy always seem to work so well? :puke:

[BenDavid]

67. Many of you are doing the same thing that was done in 2000,

letting the press hype up the candidate they like. Obama. Remember, it was Bush in 2000 the press sold many of you on, and that bush did not have to be the smaertest man in the room. Just like Obama, he comes across as not knowing much either and the press is so smitten with Oprah, the voters are again getting short changed.

if the press were to take a closer look at Obama there is a lot there. But, this press is now going after Huckabee with so many things in his past as Arkansas govenor things about Obama will get lost in all the goo goo eyes.

[BigDDem]

72. Maybe that explains why she never endorsed Gore or Kerry

she was busy voting republican??