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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:30 AM
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Choose a Running Mate For Obama...
Since I don't donate to DU...I can't post a poll. I'm telling you guys now...if Obama gets the nomination don't be surprised if he selects Joe Biden as his VP. Biden would tear the GOP a new a-hole...he's a very strong debater. Only problem is he's another Senator and it may be wise for Obama to chose someone with some executive/military experience. Before, I would have said Clark...but now he's shown his colors and he's sticking with Clinton.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:37 AM
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1. Joe Biden won't be a VP.
he has said it over, and over. He said he would just go back to the senate. As he should. He would have more power in the senate than he ever would as a VP. He's probably the only candidate running, ever, that really means it when he said he won't accept a VP. And, really why would he? He's not going to give up 35 years in the senate for a brief stint as VP.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:57 AM
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22. I'd hope whoever the winner is would pick Biden as Sec of State. nt
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:05 AM
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27. He won't do that either.
For Joe, it's prez, or nothing.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:45 PM
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64. Actually, that's what he's going for. When asked in past years if he would...
like to be sec of state, he has never said he would not. It is much talked about...how he would make the best Sec of State, bar none. He knows it's out there. He does nothing to discourage that talk. He knows he can't win the nomination. He wants Sec of State.

As I said, I hope, for the country's sake, as well as Biden's, that whoever wins appoints Biden as Sec of State. We'd all be better off for it.

Hey, if he had a chance, even a small chance, of winning the nomination, I'd vote for him. I still might. But realistically speaking, he has no chance at all of winning the nomination. Just like Tancredo, Duncan Hunter, Kucinich, and Dodd.
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:24 PM
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68. Biden DOES have a chance if people like you were more active and vocal
Lots of people want Biden but don't think he's viable bacause the media put so much attention of the "top tier" from the get-go. Let's make him President
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:38 AM
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2. when was obama coronated emperor?
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:41 AM
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29. apparently this is an "inevitability meme" ;) NT
kj
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:41 AM
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30. apparently this is an "inevitability meme" ;) NT
kj
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:44 AM
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31. Oprah Winfrey
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:34 PM
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75. LOL
it was only a matter of time I suppose.

But our campaign is about CHANGE......not "Inevitability"
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:10 PM
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50. Oh you!
:rofl:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:31 PM
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72. No one is stopping you from starting a CHOOSE A RUNNING MATE FOR "X" thread
X being your candidate of choice.

This is an EXERCISE. Hell, I am not even committed to a candidate yet, and I can enjoy this 'exercise.' It's just SPECULATION, not coronation.

It's one of the few threads that has a low level of sniping on it. Be nice if it stayed that way.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:38 AM
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3. Webb
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:47 AM
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11. Worst pick EVER. No way.
Webb has a lot of negatives that don't translate well outside of his home turf. Forget the ex-GOP, sexist SECNAV under Reagan aspect, it's the five wives and the scathing temper that would get him in trouble.

I think he likes the Senate, too.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:50 AM
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15. 5 wives!?!
Never heard that one before.... But I agree, Webb is very good exactly where he is right now.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 03:48 PM
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46. No, I miscounted--three and a boatload of girlfriends on the side in his earlier years. NT
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:52 AM
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17. Where'd you get that?
He's been married three times, same as Kucinich.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Webb
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:59 AM
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23. self delete. oops. nt
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 10:00 AM by indie_ana_500
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:01 AM
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24. self-delete
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 10:01 AM by NYCGirl
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 03:49 PM
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47. And Rudy. It's one too many. NT
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:52 AM
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18. OK...then find someone with Webb's security and outsider credentials
who gives us a battleground state. Gaffe-prone, Beltway Biden from a safe state like DE would be an absurd choice, by the way.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:14 PM
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51. OUTSIDER credentials? He was fucking SECNAV under REAGAN!!!
Before that he was an ASD under the SECDEF. That's not an "outsider." That's a guy wired into the grid from WAY back. He started OUT in DC as a HOUSE staffer--one of those "suit wonks" you see who do the heavy lifting for committees.

A rebellious personality does not make someone an "outsider." He's NO outsider, not by a long shot. He could still find his way blindfolded around the House of Representatives AND the Pentagon, even with the remodeling.

While he was teaching at the Academy (yes, he did that too), he wrote a little article that pissed off a shitload of people in uniform. It's an article that would be dragged up, and given the number of female servicemembers who have died/been wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan, would first, become the entire focus of the campaign, second, would drag down the ticket, and third, would insure a loss to an inferior GOP ticket.

Here, read this neanderthal treatise, and then tell me he'd make a good VP: http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/mediapolitics/2182.html

They'd eat him alive.

He's where he's gonna be, in the Senate, unless he takes SECDEF under a Democratic administration.

Biden would refuse VP, as I said elsewhere. He couldn't countenance playing Lady in Waiting to a Young Whippersnapper.

Obama would, if he made the cut, have to pull a Clinton--break the paradigm, and find someone close to his age with national/international experience. Richardson would be a good fit, as he's been on the national/international stage and has actually 'governed,' but he's said he doesn't want it--Obama would have to convince him that there was "emmissary work" in it for him, beyond going to funerals. He'd have to give Richardson a chunk of the foreign policy pie, and find a way to make whosoever he chooses as SECSTATE 'eat' that and like it .

Richardson would also sew up the west for the ticket, to say nothing of the hispanic vote. But, like I said, it's a trick to get him to take it.

Whoever he picks has to be 'perceived as' (doesn't have to BE, just 'perceived as') more experienced nationally and internationally, AND more conservative. Otherwise, he'd lose to McCain, or Romney, or whosoever.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:10 PM
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61. Where was Webb from 1988-2006?
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 06:01 PM by BeyondGeography
Interesting that you know him close-up (and, yes, I get it, you are not.a.fan.)

Obama could do a lot worse than Richardson.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:22 PM
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67. Writing books, farting around the Pentagon and other federal agencies, getting ideas.
He did a screenplay or two, a PBS special, collected a few honorary degrees, served on some boards, wrote newpaper and magazine articles and op-eds. He was never far from the hub-bub, and always 'wired in.' He was a frequent visitor to the Five Sided Funny Farm, too. He even went to Iraq a few times.

Here's a website that chronicles some of his activities during 'the interim:" http://www.jameswebb.com/

Did you read what I wrote? I actually AM a fan of Webb's, because I've seen him morph from an overly testosteroned asshole into a reasonable fellow in his late middle age. It's a terrible world where people can't get second chances. I don't play that game. He wasn't a barrel of laughs in his younger, brasher years, but he was never a dull boy, even when he was an asshole.

But he is NOT 'VP' material--for Obama or anyone else, IMO. He still has 'Work and Play Well With Others' issues, even in the Senate, today. He hasn't quite mastered that "My Distinguished Colleague" doublespeak yet--it ain't the words, it's the TONE that conveys meaning.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:28 PM
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70. Well, you still seem conflicted about the guy, how's that?
Makes for great reading, though.

Obama can't run against Washington and pick someone who is identified to be of Washington, right down to the way he clips his toenails. Webb is strong on defense and against-type; that will be appealing next year when running mates are chosen. Say what you will, but he will be on everyone's list, and some of those lists will be very short.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:38 PM
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76. Not at all. I supported him in his PRIMARY contest--not just the general election.
And here, on this board, I was, as I am when I refuse to run with the lemmings, accused of being a secret Republican for so doing. My main reason for supporting Webb is that he was conservative enough to win in VA, a place where I resided for long enough to know the joint well, and he could be a rip roaring fucker when he wanted to--which means he could wipe the floor with George Feeeeelix Macacawitz Allen with a hand tied behind his back. I saw him, early on, as the strongest candidate, before others did.

I don't think that an honest examination of 'warts-n-all' regarding anyone in public life is a bad thing, and a few warts don't always banish someone from the public square. Way too many people do this Happy-Happy-Glad-Glad shit when they deal with candidates, and then get crushed like a daisy under a hobnail boot when they don't take what can be perceived by the larger public as massive negatives into account.

Webb has those negatives when placed before a national audience. They've been obviated at home, but VA ain't the other forty nine states. It's just too problematic to try to resolve all that shit AND push for 'change' too.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:51 PM
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91. Agree about Biden
Biden will say something stupid to hurt the ticket at least once. We don't need Delaware's electoral votes that bad.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 12:02 PM
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32. Every bio I've seen only mentions 3 wives....You know someting different?
Or were you just exaggerating to tear the man down?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 03:47 PM
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45. Jesus H. Christ. I used to work for the guy. Why is it that anytime anyone tells a
basic truth, if it isn't all hearts and fucking flowers, that one gets accused of "tearing down?"

You're right, he does have "only" three wives, so I guess the Rudy paradigm makes that just dandy. Silly me, with all the fucking around he used to do, I miscounted.

Here's the basic truth:

Jim Webb was an absolute SHITHEAD when he was SECNAV. He had an explosive temper and there are many, many, MANY stories out there that wouldn't help him or a Democratic ticket if he decided to go national. In USN/USMC VA, that kind of shit is acceptable, AND he's changed his ways in his old age, but in a national contest, he would get his ass handed to him. He was a fucking neanderthal, too. If he had his way back then, he would have kicked every female in uniform to the curb. He's mended his misogynistic attitude since then, but he was an absolute bastard about it--to the point that, when he gave a speech to some senior female officers about their 'role,' and essentially, how little he thought of them, they all stood up and BOOED the guy, shaking their fists--it was pretty vile. He also was the king of the mindless boondoggle--let me go play with the expensive toys, 'because I can.' He didn't act like a 'civilian in control of the military'--he acted like a rip-roaring XO who comes in to a shitbird command and is hell-bent on doing major housekeeping--and he was like this even when injecting himself into BATTLE E venues.

If he ran in the VP slot, hello President Romney/McCain/Player to Be Named at The Convention. He'd be a drag on the ticket.

FWIW, BECAUSE he has evolved, and because I have paid attention over the years to his process of evolution, and BECAUSE I don't, unlike some, think that people can't change and improve themselves, I was an EARLY supporter of the guy in his run AGAINST HIS PRIMARY OPPONENT (when half of this board was calling him GOP in Dem clothing), as well as in the GENERAL against ALLEN. You can go on ahead and check the archives if you'd like.

But go ahead and "assume" that I have evil intent, because that's just so fucking popular a stand around here of late. It's real easy to toss a gratuitious bomb rather than engage in substantive discussion, and it's just 'so satisfying,' too.

Enjoy the view from that high horse.

:eyes:
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:31 PM
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63. I don't have a disagreement with a single substantive point you made....I don't
particularly like Webb either nor do I find him attractive on issues. The idea of him on the Democratic ticket is not appealing to me in the least. That said, I NEVER support smearing or lying about people on my team and Webb is a valid member of that team. I assumed you had "evil intent" because you were exaggerating (lying) about his personal life, which is a low blow. Republicans are really good at tearing down Democrats-they don't need our help. Lately I've seen more hate for Democrats on DU than I've ever seen on Free Republic. Its sickening.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:28 PM
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71. Well, wives/girlfriends...if you add it up, it's double digits. We won't get into that.
But hell, in GOP land, that's hunky dory, actually--at least he isn't, as the South Park kids say "teh gay!!!!! OMG!!!"

I actually like the Webb of today. He's more focused, more pragmatic, less chip on shoulder, more 'Engage brain/filter out emotions.' He's mellowed in his later years. He could stand to mellow a bit more. One thing he isn't, is stupid. That's a key strength. He's a good fit in his state delegation, and he'll make a fine SENIOR senator from VA once the other former SECNAV retires.

He's just not a good fit in the VP job.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:39 AM
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4. How about Oprah!!! LOL... I would be upset if Obama picked Hillary
as a VP... What do we need another Cheney/ Bush.. With Hillary sitting on info a President should know for a whole year... Come on. Lets get rid of the DLC crowd... That is one person who I don't want anywhere near the Executive branch.. she would use all the signing powers Bush authorized.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:44 AM
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8. Hillary wouldn't do it, either. NT
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:42 PM
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78. If he picked Hillary he'd be the safest president ever.
:nuke:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:39 AM
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5. as 1corona4u says, no way will Biden accept it
I don't know who Obama will choose if he wins it, but I imagine he'll go for someone with foreign policy experience.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:39 AM
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6. Bill Richardson
He'd go a long way towards making Obama more palatable towards Western voters.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:45 AM
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9. yep. I can see that. n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:48 AM
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12. He has said he wouldn't...but it would be a better pick than any of the others floated thus far. NT
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:53 AM
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19. Richardson should run for the Senate
and once he is out of the race, as I assume he will be at some point, my guess is that he will be very strongly encouraged by Schumer & others to do just that.
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proudmoddemo Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:19 AM
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102. Udall is running for the Senate in NM
Bill won't run for Senate.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:44 AM
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7. Biden will never, EVER play 2nd fiddle to a whippersnapper. Just won't happen. NT
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:46 AM
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10. There goes Delaware!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:49 AM
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13. He'd campaign for him, like all the candidates would--he just wouldn't take the Number 2 slot. NT
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:50 AM
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14. I don't know - I never know what to say about Veepstakes
There are so many good and talented Dems for the ticket it's just a smorgasbord.

Regarding Clark, if you think Obama would hold a grudge over partisan politics once the primaries are over, I think you are misjudging Obama. Clark's a surrogate for another candidate. That's the practical reality. If he were Obama's surrogate, he would be speaking just as strongly on Obama's behalf. Once the nomination is resolved, Obama and Clark will be on the same side. Obama, if nominated, will choose his running mate according to his own needs and preferences. I would expect Clark to be on that list, at least the long one, and on any list for a cabinet post. Clark will be proud to serve in an Obama administration. Obama will recognize what Clark offers to his administration and to the nation. These are two grownups who serve their country well and truly. None of the back and forth of primary politics will mean a fig when the time comes.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:50 AM
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16. I realize it'd be a gamble for two minorities to be on the same ticket, but
I'd like to see a ticket with Russ Feingold.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:16 PM
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52. Too many 'rumors.' Too much 'minority' there, possibly. Bad pick.
Too liberal, too. He'd be eaten alive, and the speculation would be a total distraction.

Obama's pick has to be perceived as more conservative than he is, even if the person actually isn't more conservative.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:55 AM
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20. Hmmm. This is a hard one. He'd need someone with experience,gravitas, maybe age, maybe southern.
Something that is totally different from what he is, and helps in areas of perceived weakness.

Perceived weak areas: experience, I guess. Can't think of another.

Geez. I'll have to give this some thought.

He might pick Richardson. I'm not crazy about that idea, but it's not out of the question, I guess. It would help in foreign policy experience, hispanic vote, the southwest region. But Richardson has weaknesses that I think would hurt Obama.

Don't know.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:57 AM
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21. Joe Lieberman?
I read that Lieberman was his mentor.
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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:01 AM
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25. he was and Lieberman is the inventor of what Obama now calls a "new politics"
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:07 AM
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28. that was my gut reaction. n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:20 PM
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53. Oh god, what a nightmare that ticket would be--the wingnuts would come up with
some asinine variation of Hussein Loserman. You know they would.

Lieberman has the stink of failure on him. He also has a traitorous edge that partisans don't care for.

Obama would be well advised to keep that relationship on the DL to the greatest extent possible.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:20 PM
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54. Lieberman was randomly assigned to him as a freshman Democrat.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:25 PM
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55. It must've worked out fine then because Barack still gushes over Lieberman to this day
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 04:26 PM by mtnsnake
whenever he's asked about his mentor. And why shouldn't he like Lieberman if the guy helped him out so much, even if Lieberman is the biggest asshole in the world?
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:54 PM
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58. Obama did flip on Lieberman.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:33 PM
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57. nope , I googled it. Obama picked Lieberman. nt
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:54 PM
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59. Link?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:03 PM
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97. I guess that makes Gore conservative
if we play the guilt by association game.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:04 AM
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26. Biden is one of the top foreign policy/military guys in the senate -
He and Kerry have always been considered the top minds for Dems in those areas.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 12:07 PM
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33. Hmm, I think Obama would make a great running mate for Edwards or Biden :)
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 12:10 PM
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34. Personally, Obama does not have to worry about naming
a vp. Obama will lose and I still say it will be in the middle of February HRC will have a majority of delegates to become our nominee.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:10 PM
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82. Get.Away.From.The. Edge
We'll get you the help you need for your delusions. Just come in off the ledge.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 12:11 PM
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35. You can't go wrong with putting Clark on the ticket. nt
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 12:22 PM
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36. Jesus Christ. Becuase that's the only chance in hell Obama would have of winning the general.
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 12:47 PM by Skip Intro
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:40 PM
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77. Based on what exactly?
Your remarkably perceptive take of American 21st century politics at ground level?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:02 PM
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80. Gee, a little testy are we? C'mon Capn, it's Oprah day! Btw -
I don't think for a second that Obama would stand a chance in the GE, based on my observations of an inexperienced politician who has in this cycle incited riots in Pakistan and elsewhere with loose talk, been punked by the likes of robert novak, and used weasle words to distance himself from his own words such as there is no difference between him and bush on Iraq; a politician who is politically calculating and will say things he really doesn't believe, by his own admission, if it is politically advantageous; a politician who offers little more than more of the same wrapped in shiny new paper.



Did that answer your question?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 12:32 PM
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37. Obama/McClurkin
There were probably O/Mc bumperstickers on sale at Oprabama-palooza today.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 12:38 PM
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38. Biden, Richardson or even Dodd!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 12:44 PM
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39. Oh, Let's STOP With The Coronation Already!! I Can't Believe How
DU'ers who I had supposed thought about issues and what's good for the country have gone COMPLETELY Ga-Ga over this event!

And the FIGHTING is even worse!

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:27 PM
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56. I don't see anything wrong with speculating about tickets. Hell, who's your candidate?
Start a thread about "Just supposing So-and-So won the nomination; who would he/she pick?"

These speculative threads provide an opportunity to suss out the strengths and weaknesses of politicians in the public sphere. They're simply MIND CANDY, nothing more. Doesn't make it a "coronation" to speculate about who candidates might pick as a running mate.

Hell, if he could, Romney would sew up the evangelical vote by picking THIS GUY as his 'Number One:'

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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:19 PM
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66. Nothing Wrong With That... I'm Just Saying Too Many People Are Getting
upset that this event is going on and the infighting isn't something I agree with. Some have decided who they support, some haven't... but this event is BIG, but no votes have been vast.

It may well be a huge boost for Obama, who knows... but looking at threads here it seems like many feel this is a coronation. Time will tell, I don't have the answers.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:52 PM
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79. Well, it could be a coronation, and they're crowning a QUEEN.
I am not talking about Senator Clinton, either, I'm talking about Oprah!

Hard to say if the cheers and excitement she generates will be lasting. A lot of people might cheer to be part of the moment, and then leave and say "Wow, that was fun, and that was SO COOOOOL to see Obama LIVE ....but... naaaah."

I'd wager there were a few GOP supporters at those Springsteen concerts, too.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 12:46 PM
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40. Biden would be a great choice
Biden has foreign policy and national security chops; he's Irish Catholic, which helps in swing states like Ohio, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire; and he's a great speaker, who could eviscerate a GOP VP candidate like Huckabee or Brownback.

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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 01:35 PM
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41. Russ Feingold
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:58 PM
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94. Shhh...
That's who it will be.


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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 03:09 PM
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42. How about Gov. Ed Rendell?
nm
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proudmoddemo Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:19 PM
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103. Can't Do That
The Lt. Gov. of Pennsylvania is in her late 70s and somewhat senile. If she were to become Governor, the Democratic Party in Pennsylvania would be doomed for a generation. Plus, there are local political reasons why that can't happen (a consensus candidate emerging in the Democratic Primary for 2010).
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 03:14 PM
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43. What do you mean "Clark has shown his colors?"
White?

He has a right to support whomever he chooses and does not need your or anyone's permission.

And why don't you donate to DU? Not even $10?

I think that if Obama is the nominee he will bring someone new and "fresh."

Don't count your eggs, yet.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 03:54 PM
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49. No no no. Clark's endorsed Clinton - nothing black v white at all for Christ's sake...
Jesus. Freakin' people having "racism" hallucinations everywhere on DU today...
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 03:17 PM
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44. Mary Landrieu
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 03:51 PM
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48. Gore. nt
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 04:57 PM
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60. Biden. nm
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:11 PM
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62. Obama just asked the crowd in Iowa if they wanted Oprah as veep. nt
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Countdown_3_2_1 Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:02 PM
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84. How did the crowd react?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:34 PM
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86. There was clapping, but the sound quality was awful...
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 09:35 PM by polichick
Couldn't tell what the real response was. It's hard to imagine her wanting that job but, who knows, maybe she needs a new challenge. I would think Obama would choose someone with foreign policy experience though.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 05:46 PM
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65. Fred Phelps
he's Baptist and white male for balance, and has a large family who can all work on the campaign.
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:26 PM
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69. Obama would be a great choice for BIDEN'S vp
Biden has been an "outsider" his whole ccareer. He commutes home to Delaware every day and has a history of bringing change to Washington by being ahead of the curve and bringing people together from both sides
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Countdown_3_2_1 Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:33 PM
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73. Dennis Kucinich. Solidify the base. Obama/Kucinich
Unify the party. Reward a fellow who dug the trenches, and fought the good fight. (and set him up for his own run for 16 solid years of progressive rule)
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:33 PM
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Oprah for his VP
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 06:33 PM
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74. Oprah for his VP
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:05 PM
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81. Richardson
He could be really proactive in all sorts of ways.
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thatsrightimirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 07:57 PM
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83. Bob Graham or Blanche Lincoln
Both live in Southern swing states that could help us. Or maybe Janet Napolitano to help us out in the west.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:29 PM
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85. Me. I'd like to give the East Coast a try for a while.
Good paycheck in that, right?
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 09:58 PM
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87. Edwards - he'd make a great point man to keep the domestic
agenda moving!
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:13 PM
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88. There are only three meaningful criteria.

Military experience does not matter...tough on terror does not matter.

To the extent that the election is a referendum on the last eight years of foreign policy (and I think that is the debate that we can win) The VP would be the linchpin.


Can this person as VP improve our standing in the world community and deflect the argument that Obama is too green.

The second is is the person seen as an "adult" who can step in to the office should tragedy strike.

Third is whether or not there are electoral plusses.


You take those three criteria and I think the choice comes down to two. Richardson and maybe Bob Graham.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:41 PM
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89. If Senator Obama wins our nomination, he might consider
Edited on Sat Dec-08-07 10:44 PM by Old Crusoe
Bill Richardson as the veep nom.

IMO there are almost no negatives to a Richardson veep nom, no matter which of the other 7 candidates wins the top slot. I look at Richardson and see miles and miles of pluses and hardly any minuses.

Other considerations that might have some electoral punch:

Bill Bradley (my personal favorite for prez in 2000. Formidable athletic career, exceedingly intelligent, and -- here's the kicker -- modest of spirit. He is an accomplished adult and IMO would bolster our position nationwide.)

Jimmy Carter (Yes, he's past prime campaign age but so what? He'd be an exciting Southern balance with an international profile, and he knows his Scripture. Many voters who went for Reagan in 1980 now concede that they failed to get the full measure of the man. Were he to die in office the president would of course appoint a replacement, but he would be electorally appealing IMO and for as long as we had him, we'd have the benefit of his insight on White House operations as well as the Middle East.)

Max Cleland (I feel that treatment of our veterans deserves a first-tier position for our issues in 2008 and I can't think of many people better than Max Cleland to drive the point home. A prominent southernor on our ticket historically boosts vote totals.)

Chris Dodd (A lot of people like Dodd, always have, and for good reasons. I think he'd be a huge plus as veep. Being bilingual in Spanish is another attractive feature.)

Kathleen Sebelius (A Democratic governor from the heartland, the daughter of former Ohio Governor John Gilligan, and a dramatic investment for the 2016 race.)

Gary Hart (Despite Dr. Rice's protestations to the contrary, Hart warned the government about the threat of flying commercial jets into skyscrapers long ago. Plus he holds a divinity degree and could put bible-thumping Republicans to the fire on theocracy vs. the Founders' vision.)

Wes Clark (In case Huckabee is on the Pukes' ticket, it gives us a genuinely classy Arkansas veep nom.)

Barbara Boxer (As long as you're going to shake folks up, you might as well go with a first-class shaker-upper.)

Bill Moyers. (He was in the White House long ago during the Johnson years but has kept the keen eye on U.S. politics ever since. Not as good as anybody else -- much better than anybody else. His counsel would be invaluable to any of our next Democratic candidates-for-president. As a veep nom, he could handle either side of any interview. In the veep debate, he'd slaughter anyone the Pukes nominate. And not least, he's a certified Baptist minister.)

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:50 PM
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90. John Edwards
Their messages compliment eachother well and they would make a much better team than Kerry-Edwards. Edwards can appeal to white Southerners while Obama pushes black turnout up 30%. They would carry at least one or two Southern states.
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:52 PM
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92. Bono
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 10:58 PM
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93. Udall
Either one really. It would help in the mountain west swing states. It would energize environmentalists. They both have a lot of experience. It would signal that the Mountain West and Southwest are in play and winnable. That's a good strategy if Obama thinks he can't win in the South.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:03 PM
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95. Oprah's "escort" Steadman. She's got a big say in who gets what.
:yourock: "No hope without Op"
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:03 PM
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96. Hillary Rodham Clinton
would bring some GRAVITAS to the ticket.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 11:09 PM
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98. The fact that Clark supports Hillary makes it even better.
It could help heal some of the primary wounds if Hillary supporters see Obama reaching out to someone who didn't back him in the primary. It would be a good move and make Obama look like a better person who doesn't hold grudges.

It might also solidify support from those in the military who are pissed off at Bush. That's a pretty big voting block.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:38 AM
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99. How about Caroline Kennedy?
The woman has so much class and such a sense of history. She's beyond reproach.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 12:58 AM
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100. I'd vote for Caroline for anything, no matter what.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 01:02 AM
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101. now, I've got this cart and I've got this horse.... little help?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:23 PM
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104. Hillary would make an excellent running mate for VP Obama...
:-)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:30 PM
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105. Whichever one we could see taking orders from him.
Imo, Clinton is the only one that would work with Obama. The other guys in the Democratic field look like they may have a grudge if they weren't president.
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