How can we stop Nader from running?

[reddouglasfir]

Any ideas?

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[LandOLincoln]

5. You can't, you can only try to get the word out that he's a

Republican operative and a confessed Bush enabler. As soon as Outside magazine makes their 2000 Nader interview available again, you can all hang the bastard with his own words.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

19. Yeah

We can't stop him, but we can try and counteract his attacks on us.

[aquart]

6. Now THERE is a phrase that doesn't work well here.

So I take it you are busy getting out the petitions to get Ralph's name on the ballot?

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

7. No, actually.

I abhorr Ralph Nader.

But I still think anyone should be allowed to run.

[reddouglasfir]

17. I'd like to but 4 more years of Bush make me sick n/t

[aquart]

2. Q: HOW is he getting his name on the ballot in fifty states?

Or will he only bother with states where the polls say the vote will be close?

[Crunchy Frog]

25. He'll be on the ballots

wherever the Republican operatives want him to be.

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[aquart]

9. Run where?

How does his name get on the ballot? Because he feels like it?

[EXE619K]

11. Well, why wouldn't you want him on the ballot?

They should allow him on the ballot.

The Dem nominee should easily defeat the incumbent this year...right?

No more excuses for Dems this year.

[aquart]

20. Allow? Allow?

I thought you had to have a required number of signatures to get on a ballot.

WHO is getting those signatures for Nader?

You?

[EXE619K]

I'm sure there are many.....

people who feel disenfranchised by the two-party system that will gladly gather sigs for him.

Third Party voters aren't new you know.

They've been around for a while.

[aquart]

23. Do you know this is 2004?

That George W. Bush is running for a second term?

[EXE619K]

27. Sorry to tell you...

But, do you really think the third party voters really care who the president is at the moment?

They're third party voters becasue they see no difference between the two parties.

You've never been around the Greens and the Independence party members now, have you?

You might feel greatly threatened by another four-years of Bush.

Yet, the third party voters feel that the strangle hold of the two-party system is a bigger threat to American democracy than Bush and all his minions combined.

Instead of trashing the thrid parties for pissing in your party, what have the Democrats done for the voices of the Greens in the past? Greens hate the GOP, just as they hate the Dems.

Unless the Dems are actively willing to support a Green platform by promoting their candidates with the same liberal agenda.....you will always have opposition from the Greens and other third parties.

You have to "get" that, before you start saying "why can't they understand us?".

And guess what?

I'm not even a Green!

[SaddenedDem]

4. Thank God you can't

Because we DO still live in a democracy and you, too, can grow up to be President.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

10. Don't worry

Ralph splitting the liberal vote will kill that pesky democracy forever.

Would have probably been wise to THINK about democracy rather than emote about it.

[aquart]

21. IF you can get the required number of signatures to get on the ballot.

RIGHT?

WHO is getting the signatures?

[janx]

8. People have been trying to stop him for many months.

It's too late. He's in.

[aquart]

12. IN the race. But ON the ballot? How?

[Bluzmann57]

13. Nader has every right to run for office

This is still America and if he feels that he has some positive ideas for change for this great land of ours, then run Ralph run. As far as Nader "costing Gore the election" in 2000, I believe that there were about 500,000 voters purged from the rolls in Fla., most of whom would have voted Democratic. Do you think that may have had a little to do with it? If Gore was a stronger candidate, even that probably wouldn't have made any difference. So if Kerry or Edwards is a strong enough candidate, as I believe either of them are, they should win in November, in spite of some percieved disadvantage for the Dems. Note- I voted for Gore in 2000, so please don't accuse me of being a Green. I'll bet that a lot of Dean's backers will vote Nader, if they vote at all.

[aquart]

24. Well, we all hope that statement is slander.

I know it is in regard to me.

Please speak for yourself, or with evidence.

Or, if you're betting, put up the cash.

[koopie57]

14. welcome reddouglas

I think right now people are very angry about this, I was yesterday and took it out on a Jehovah Witness knocking at my door with his kid. He was...he was actually knocking on my door with his kid *giggle*. No, he used the bell. But they are right, we can't stop him, but you can call his office and state your views, write letters to the editor, keep informed regarding him for any discussions you enter into, lots of things to discourage him, but stopping him I suspect not.

[Rose Siding]

15. Petition the DNC to negotiate their platform

...which would have stopped Ralph in the first place. Demand to know what happened in McCauliffe's recent private meetings with Nader. Find out what the sticking points were.

The DNC has been so willing to compromise with the right but until they learn to be more inclusive and responsive, third parties will haunt them and weaken them.

[Crunchy Frog]

26. He doesn't have any right

to hold the Democratic party hostage. If he wants to influence the party platform, he is perfectly free to run for office as a Democrat.

Until then, he has no business trying to dictate to our party.

[Rose Siding]

31. How's that position working for the party so far?

[Old and In the Way]

32. Of course, if he ran as a Democrat in the primaries, he'd have

been smoked.....

The bigger joke is what would occur if he was elected. Nothing.

[nedlogg]

16. Thanks Ralph!

Thanks for another four years of Bush and Co.

Fuckin' Wanker!

:puke:

[cryofan]

18. Give Kucinich the VP spot at the convention

In fact, I am going to send Nader a check suggesting he walk into the Demo convention with a fistful of campaign donation dollars and tell them that he will use those donations for ads in Florida and other swing states unless they give Kucinich the VP spot.

Old Skool politics! That is how it is played in the REAL democracies....

[aquart]

22. Why don't you run that idea by Kucinich?

I'm sure he'll thank you.

[ulysses]

28. you can't.

Nader is an irresistable force and will sweep all before him. Run away! Run away!

[Mairead]

29. Easy: nominate Dennis Kucinich

Nader already promised he'd support DK if DK's the nominee.

[SiouxJ]

30. I don't think we can but I wrote him a letter anyway

WTF. :shrug:

[oasis]

33. Let Nader run. It will keep the fringe voters out of our hair. They are

unlikely to vote Dem anyway and not worth the time and energy it would take to woo them.

[IconoclastIlene]

34. Only a low grade moron.

Would throw their vote away on a piece of nonsense and rhetortic from the sixties like Ralph Nader; we remember Ralph, Unsafe at Any Speed or Age, apparently.

[mmonk]

35. Ignore him (especially the Dem party)

It's a vanity run pretending to be principled. Anyone who opposes bush and knows if they ran, they could sway the votes toward a bush re-election lacks principles. Vanity runs are for attention. So ignore his existence as much as possible.