Is it because Hillary is a woman or because people don't like her politics as much as the others?

[Quixote1818]

Hillary is fourth or fifth on my list right now but there are several women I would love to vote for as President. Here are a few off the top of my head. I am sure a small percentage of DUers have a problem with a woman running but if Bill had been married to say Molly Ivins and she was alive and healthy I believe she would be winning every DU presidential poll.


Who would you vote for if all these women were up against the top three male candidates in the current field?

[Radical Activist]

1. If she could run a strong campaign and stand a shot at winning

Naomi Klein.

[Angela Shelley]

6. I´m with you

just based on the idea that she knows what´s been going on "wrong" for the past 50 years.

[Radical Activist]

11. She's honest about things

that even Kucinich doesn't talk about. I'm reading her new book now and she would probably be my dream candidate.

[some guy]

10. Unfortunately, as a Canadian

she isn't eligible. :(

[Radical Activist]

12. She still has a better shot than Ivins.

:)

[some guy]

14. True. Or at least as good a shot.

My response further down thread mentions Ms Ivins.

[Progress And Change]

2. her politics have been demonized. she is more progressive than obama

If people knew the truth about the two things would be very different. Obama is capitalizing on ignorance about his policies.

[Quixote1818]

3. Obama is not much more popular than Hillary on DU though.

I need to go back and look at some of the polls but it seems like Edwards and Kucinich win most of the DU polls and Hillary and Obama come out about the same.

[saracat]

7. Hillary has never taken a tough stand on anything, other then her original healthcare plan

which she sold out on. On the surface, she has the voting record of an average progressive Dem but nothing controversial.Her "courageous votes" were all in support of Bushco and still are. Her latest Kyl/ Lieberman was a reinforcement of her war vote. She does not stand up for anything and fight.

[mtnsnake]

25. There isn't a thing in your post that is accurate, not one, but what else is new.

[regnaD kciN]

15. If "progressive" means signing on to every neo-con adventure...

...and coming up with a No Insurance Company Left Behind health care plan, then I guess she's "progressive." But, by any reasonable definition of the word, her "progressivism" ended with the failure of her first attempt at health care (the one that meant more than "everyone is required by law to buy insurance") in 1994, and her subsequent apparent decision to follow her husband's lead in choosing triangulation as the only path to power.

[IndianaGreen]

34. Hillary supported torture, concentration camps, wars of aggression, and racism

The racism that Hillary supports is the one that says that Israel has a Gawd-given right to occupy Arab lands and to treat Palestinians and her neighbors as inferior beings.

[Horse with no Name]

4. I am a progressive woman

My problem with Hillary is that...she is not.
The woman is optional. Progressive is not.

[Sherman A1]

8. Agreed

[ixion]

19. well said

:applause:

[Skidmore]

32. Absolutely!

Not a problem with Hillary as a woman; a whole lot of problem with her politics. She is NOT the candidate of change.

[ingac70]

5. Her politics does her in...

Voting to let Dubya attack Iraq. He recent vote on Iran the little dickhead can use as justification for an attack.

Might as well vote for a Republican if the US's current foreign policy is A-OK with you.

[asdjrocky]

9. You know I love Edwards...

But if Molly decides to come back from the grave, she gets my vote.

I adored that woman.

[ChiciB1]

28. Gee, We Sure Do Think Alike!!! n/t

[some guy]

13. Dennis Kucinich

I'd consider Molly if she were alive, but she never held elective office, so I don't know that I would vote for her.

I'd also consider Cynthia McKinney, or barbara Lee. If Mr Kucinich doesn't get the Dem nomination, I will seriously consider Ms McKinney.

[TheWraith]

16. Hey, why no love for Rachel Maddow?

Or better yet, Janine Garafalo.

I agree with your premise. You're not going to find a more progressive group anywhere than DUers, which is what makes the accusations of bias often thrown around here (whether it's anti-woman, anti-gay, etcetera) so laughable.

[LaPera]

17. Wilma Flintstone....Hot!

[Perry Logan]

18. Opposition to Hillary seems to correlate with an almost total ignorance of her record.

[IndianaGreen]

35. Her record is one of support of neocon imperialism abroad and fascism at home

Hillary has consistently voted to suppress our freedoms and undermine democracy. Her record mirrors that of her political soulmate, Joe Lieberman.

[China_cat]

20. It isn't either.

It's because she's a Clinton. The same would go right now for Chelsea...and nobody can say anything bad about her. People are simply tired of dynastic leadership.

[DrFunkenstein]

21. I Would Love If We Could Even Get Those Woman on The McLaughlin Group

I admit that I am addicted to that show, despite its absurdly conservative bent and belief that Mort Zuckerman or Clarence Page has anything worthwhile to say. It's great when they put Arianna on the show, but I'd love to see Katrina Vanden Heuvel give them hell.

[Hieronymus]

22. It's because she's DLC. None of the other women you list would have the

foggiest notion of running or are dead.

[elizm]

23. Where is Senator Boxer's name???? nt

[2hip]

26. She's the first one to come to mind for me! nt

[KittyWampus]

30. Louise Slaughter and Maxine Waters both came to mine as well as Boxer. Slaughter of NY

is VERY good at speaking.

[rucky]

24. I'll never forgive Vanden Heuvel for what she did to America in the '80's.

"Walking on Sunshine" That damn song is still stuck in my head.

[ChiciB1]

27. This Poll Should Be Confined To Women Only IMO... Mainly Because

there is only one woman running right now. My choice BY FAR, BY A LARGE LARGE margin would be Molly Ivins! But SHE would never have run... she has/had a tremendous impact on my life and I WILL never forget her!

She's right up there with Paul Wellstone and Feinstein. And the FIRST RFK, note I saw THE FIRST!! I don't understand RFK, Jr now. I want to be clear I'm NOT bashing Hillary, I just don't feel she's very genuine and I find her talking AT me as opposed TO me! JMO!

[Rock_Garden]

29. What a great way to remember Molly.

[rosesaylavee]

31. Barbara Boxer n/t

[IndianaGreen]

33. A dead woman would beat Hillary any day!

Shortly before her death, Molly Ivins wrote that she would never, ever cast a vote for Hillary Clinton, and then she proceeded to demolish the public persona that Hillary portrays.

[BenDavid]

36. I be glad when HRC wins the nomination and these anti HRC

polls will go away, but I doubt serious they will. When you add O + O it = O but when you add two clintons you get experience, knowledge, aptitude, and no OJT.

Yes the only team to win back to back elections since FDR and who beat war hero bush and war hero dole. So are we as a party going to allow a candidate with less experience and aptitude and attitude as the one in office now be our candidate? I hope not!

Ben David

[TheWraith]

37. I look forward to when somebody else wins the nomination...

...And the obnoxious and arrogant Hillary supporters have to stuff a sock in it. Seriously, the attitude displayed by the pro-Hillary crowd around here is extremely off-putting. If you argue with her record, you're using right-wing talking points, if you argue with her experience you're a sexist, if you disagree on policy you're naive. That's all that I've been hearing out of here lately: people can't defend her votes on the war, or on Kyl-Lieberman, or a dozen other things, so if you disagree you have to be attacked. It's a load of crap, and people here should know better than to push most of this stuff: As if Hillary Clinton and her husband are the same person, or that it's somehow okay to say that you're not going to discuss the things that you would or wouldn't do as president.

I felt the same way in 2004 about the more aggressive Deanie-boppers. That kind of smug holier-than-thou attitude turns people off from a candidate FAST, and it can torpedo a campaign.