Obama leading (by more than before) in Iowa and South Carolina!

[jenmito]

Just saw it on Hardball. No link, but the Newsweek poll for Iowa was taken Dec. 5th-6th and he leads with likely caucus goers 35% to 29% for Hillary (and Edwards at 18%) And in a Inside Advantage/Majority Opinion poll for S.C. taken Dec. 3rd-4th he leads among likely Dem. primary voters 26% to 24% for Hillary (and 15% for Edwards and 10% for Biden). And this is before the Oprah factor! :D (And the THs said it could be because people have seen he can take a punch (from the Clintons).

[Purveyor]

1. Link to the Newsweek poll:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/74215

[Bullet1987]

2. Let's hope it sticks...

but the Oprah factor will boost his numbers just before the Christmas break and he'll go strong into the Iowa primary. Strong finish by Obama...

[jenmito]

4. Thanks, Purveyor.

:hi:

[Catherine Vincent]

3. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

It's goanna be a bumpy ride folks!

[jenmito]

5. Or maybe it won't be a bumpy ride...

Obama may just take the whole thing easily. :D

[Catherine Vincent]

6. That may be.

But I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket. You could get your heart broken. It happened to me and it's not pretty.

[jenmito]

7. I already did in '04 when

Wes Clark dropped out of the race. I didn't get over it 'til I saw Obama.

[Catherine Vincent]

8. That's why I'm really waiting until a nominee is chosen.

I couldn't take the heartbreak. Did you support Kerry/Edwards?

[jenmito]

10. Of course. But during the primary I couldn't stand Kerry...

being in the same frat as Bush, stealing Clark's theme song at one point, not responding to the Swifty liars, etc. But in the general election I ended up buying a t-shirt I had made up saying, "Vote Kerry-help me walk again" since I'm in a wheelchair with M.S. and he was for ESCR.

Right now I bought a t-shirt saying, "Barack's how I roll."

[Catherine Vincent]

11. "Barack's how I roll."

Now that's cute! ;-)

[jenmito]

12. I thought so, too...

I didn't make that one up. It just happened to be a shirt already available which was perfect for me. :)

[Adelante]

9. Inside Advantage South Carolina

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/docs/InsiderAdvantage_Majority_Opinion_SC_DEM_Dec_Poll.html

[ChiciB1]

13. The Most Interesting Stats I See Here Are The "No Opinions!" n/t

[Adelante]

14. I think it's weird so few blacks were polled in SC

Where almost half the voting population is black. It's puzzling to me how unrepresentative the polling sample is. Wouldn't that have to skew the result?

[FrenchieCat]

16. most definitely......

but apart from skewed polls, what else is new? :shrug:

[Adelante]

18. One of the Iowa polls last week had Obama down lower

than the other polls. It was the Iowa University poll. It turned out they had not polled any independents at all, an area where Obama does well, so naturally it didn't reflect his current standing. You have to watch them like a hawk, I swear.

[jenmito]

17. Well, it IS a Repub. polling firm. Maybe they didn't have the numbers of many Black people.

:shrug:

[jenmito]

15. I have a feeling after this weekend that will change...

and more of them will become Obama supporters. :)

[Progress And Change]

19. Obama's anti-gay bigotry tour sure has helped his SC numbers...

Reagan, Helms, Nixon, and co. would be proud of Obama's effective use of bigotry for political gain...

[jenmito]

20. And Oprah's gonna help him even more.

:hi:

[FrenchieCat]

21. That's OK......Obama as a Black man knows Bigotry well.......

and knows that those who are saying that they are most "electable" are the one who are using code language for political gain.

[Progress And Change]

22. which is why his use of hate for political gain was even more dissappointing

I, like probably every Democrat, once had high hopes for Obama. :(

[loveangelc]

23. what are you talking about?

what anti gay tour?

[Progress And Change]

25. obama's "southern strategy" to secure he anti-gay vote

"Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama ripped a page straight from the Bush campaign playbook with his announced upcoming three date barnstorm tour through South Carolina with notorious gay basher, gospel singer Donnie McClurkin. The Grammy winning black gospel singer's last effort on the political scene was his song and shill for Bush's reelection at the Republican National Convention in 2004. Obama has hitched his string to McClurkin's high flying gay bash kite in part out of religious belief (he purports to be somewhat of an evangelical), in bigger part because he's falling further and further behind Hillary Clinton with the black vote in South Carolina and everywhere else, and in the biggest part of all because he hopes that what worked for Bush's reelection will work for him."

"Bush masterfully tapped that homophobic sentiment in 2000 in part with McClurkin and even more masterfully in 2004 again with McClurkin and the top gun mega black preachers in Ohio and Florida. He tapped it so masterfully that Bush's naked pander to gay bashing with the GOP spawned anti-gay marriage initiative in Ohio did much to win over a big chunk of black evangelical leaning voter to Bush."

"And that's what makes Obama's ala Bush pander to anti-gay mania even more shameless and reprehensible. From the moment that he tossed his hat in the presidential ring, Obama has done everything he could to sell himself to voters, as the Man on the White Horse, a fresh new face on the scene, with new ideas, and the candidate that's not afraid to boldly challenge Bush and the GOP on everything from the Iraq war to health care.

He's also sold himself as a healer and consensus builder. Legions have bought his pitch, and have shelled out millions to bankroll his campaign. But healing and consensus building does not mean sucking up to someone that publicly boasts that he's in "a war" against gays, and that the aim of his war is to "cure" them. That's what McClurkin has said. Polls show that more Americans than ever say that they support civil rights for gays, and a torrent of gay themed TV shows present non-stereotypical depictions of gays. But this increased tolerance has not dissipated the hostility that far too many blacks, especially hard core Bible thumping blacks, feel toward gays."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/obama-should-repudiate-an_b_69244.html


"He states that homosexuality is a spiritual issue, from which one can be delivered from by the power and grace of God. In his book, Eternal Victim, Eternal Victor (ISBN 1-56229-162-9), he writes: "The abnormal use of my sexuality continued until I came to realize that I was broken and that homosexuality was not God's intention... for my masculinity."<6> He then describes himself as going through a process by which he became "a saved and sanctified man"."

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/10/22/215757/08

[FrenchieCat]

26. Bunch of twisted manure, IMO.....

More like,

"There has not been a peep from the gay community on Hillary's endorsement by anti-gay black ministers. This is a terrible double standard. Hillary never has had the guts to say the word "gay" in any speech she ever gave to a broad audience; she saves it for fundraisers to gay civil rights group. In Obama's first speech to a national audience, when no one would have demanded that he address the point, he did anyway on his own, because that's where his heart is. He famously said, "We have gay friends in the Red states," trying to get everyone to see the humanity in others.
When we start judging candidates by the personal views of people who just get up on stage on sing for them, we've really lost our way"
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/10/barack_obama_donnie_mcclurken.php

"My god people, can't the man associate with those whom he disagrees with? Isn't that what we always say we want in a leader? Someone who is willing to listen to all sides? Obamas record on gay rights and his willingness to bring the issue up no matter what crowd he is in front of speaks volumes about his character that no other top tier candidate can match.

Leave the man alone, he is not embracing McClurkin or his way of thinking, he is trying to reach out to those who are normally ignored by the Democratic party and perhaps he can persuade a few conservative folks to come around to the progressive agenda of the Democratic party--isn't that really something that should be celebrated?

Cut him some slack, he is sharing the stage with a fellow citizen of this country, regardless of how backward his views may be, would you rather Obama cancel and have Huckabee do it instead? They'll already vote for him, they'll already agree with him, let Obama challenge these people to rise up!"

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/10/barack_obama_donnie_mcclurken.php


Go to this link and watch Obama's video on homophobia in the black community (third video down)
- http://visiblevote08.logoonline.com/2007/08/09/video-barack-obama-rewind/

[jenmito]

30. Thanks for those links!

It's nice to see how he speaks out on these topics and tells people what they NEED to hear-not what they WANT to hear (as he says). :hi: I can't stand it when people insist Obama's a bigot or "anti-gay."

[FrenchieCat]

24. You're twisted........

and that is what is truly disappointing.

but maybe you are

[Skip Intro]

27. WOwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Oprah!!!!!!

YAY!!!!!!!!!

[Lord Helmet]

28. wow he really is taking off

congrats to all the Obama supporters.

[Carrieyazel]

29. Are any of these polls actually reliable??? Hard to determine how everything will shake out.

Some polls have Obama at 25, others at 35 in Iowa. I don't know what to think.