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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 07:22 PM
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Clinton Iowa co-chair switches to Obama
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 07:22 PM by Hope And Change
For Some, Negative Turn is a Turn-Off


Posted at 8:00 PM ET on Dec 6, 2007

DES MOINES -- Once, Garry Thomas counted himself a Hillary Clinton supporter -- even signing up to be one of her 25 co-chairs in Iowa alongside with former Iowa First Lady Christie Vilsack.

But Thomas now says he felt obliged to switch sides in recent weeks. "I think the Clinton campaign went negative," Thomas said in a telephone interview on Thursday. He attributed his defection to the new tone Clinton took last weekend, describing it as divisive. Obama officials said Thomas committed to them this week.

Clinton officials said they lost touch with Thomas in October, and are skeptical of his claim that he left them because of her tone (she did not launch her offensive until this past Sunday).

But either way, Thomas is now with Sen. Barack Obama, putting him on a growing list of Iowans who have switched from one candidate to another heading toward the caucuses.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/12/06/clinton_losing_some_support_wi.html#more
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 07:24 PM
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1. 1 out of 25, bfd. nt
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 07:24 PM
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2. ahahahahahaha n/t
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 07:35 PM
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3. Here's hoping the M$M darling gets surprised!
Honestly, I would be happy if any Dem candidate beat her.

The media tail has been wagging the dog for the past year. We need to upset the donkey cart and a Obama/Edwards/Kucinich strong showing would do just that.

When the dust settles (and her star factor has worn off), I really don't believe she will be our nominee. We need a change --- a dramatic change --- of all the Dems running, she represents change the least.

Things are about to get very interesting :)
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 07:51 PM
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6. Give me some details on how she represents
change the least. And especially comment on why Obama is attacking her from the right on Social Security and Healthcare as documented by NYT columnist Paul Krugman.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 08:17 PM
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9. Fmr. Clinton Secretary of Labor Robert Reich supports Obama's SS & Healthcare plans over Hillary's
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 08:27 PM by ClarkUSA
Reich was a trustee for the Social Security Trust Fund, by the way. I'll take his opinion over Krugman's any day, especially since Krugman
was singing a different tune 6 months ago, before he became a vocal pro-Clinton/anti-Obama partisan. For those who want to know
about "Krugman -- Then And Now," go to MSNBC's informative report: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/11/30/490207.aspx

Here's what Robert Reich had to say recently about the differences between the Obama and Clinton plans for SS and healthcare:

First, HRC attacked O's plan for keep Social Security solvent. Social Security doesn't need a whole lot to keep it going -- it's in far better shape
than Medicare -- but everyone who's looked at it agrees it will need bolstering (I was a trustee of the Social Security Trust Fund 10 years ago,
and I can vouch for this). Obama wants to do it by lifting the cap on the percent of income subject to Social Security payroll taxes, which strikes
me as sensible. That cap is now close to $98,000 (it's indexed), and the result is highly regressive. (Bill Gates satisfies his yearly Social Security
obligations a few minutes past midnight on January 1 every year.) The cap doesn't have to be lifted all that much to keep Social Security solvent --
maybe to $115,00. That's a progressive solution to the problem. HRC wants to refer Social Security to a commission. That's avoiding the issue,
and it's irresponsible: a commission will likely call either for raising the retirement age (that's what Greenspan's Social Security commission
came up with in the 1980s) or increasing the payroll tax on all Americans. So when HRC charges that Obama's plan would "raise taxes" and
her plan wouldn't, she's simply not telling the truth.

I'm equally concerned about her attack on his health care plan. She says his would insure fewer people than hers. I've compared the two plans
in detail. Both of them are big advances over what we have now. But in my view Obama's would insure more people, not fewer, than HRC's.
That's because Obama's puts more money up front and contains sufficient subsidies to insure everyone who's likely to need help -- including
all children and young adults up to 25 years old. Hers requires that everyone insure themselves. Yet we know from experience with mandated
auto insurance -- and we're learning from what's happening in Massachusetts where health insurance is now being mandated -- that mandates
still leave out a lot of people at the lower end who can't afford to insure themselves even when they're required to do so. HRC doesn't indicate
how she'd enforce her mandate, and I can't find enough money in HRC's plan to help all those who won't be able to afford to buy it. I'm also
impressed by the up-front investments in information technology in O's plan, and the reinsurance mechanism for coping with the costs of
catastrophic illness. HRC is far less specific on both counts. In short: They're both advances, but O's is the better of the two. HRC has no
grounds for alleging that O's would leave out 15 million people.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/why-is-hrc-stooping-so-lo_b_75191.html

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Progress And Change Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 11:12 PM
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12. the M$M darling is a she? did Obama have a sex change?
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 11:12 PM by Progress And Change
:wow:
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 07:49 PM
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4. tsk tsk tsk.....how's that for loyalty
did Oprah offer more money. And why would you want someone who did not pick you in the first place and jumped to your ship when they thought it would be worth their money wise...ha hope he gets a lot of republican types. Hillary Clinton can't use back stabbers in her campaign...guess that's the kind Obama want.s
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 07:50 PM
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5. Back Stabbers? Guess its time for Bill to go then
Sorry, couldnt help myself.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:17 PM
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10. Bill, the candidate herself is a known backstabber!
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 07:59 PM
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7. I assume from your comment
that they should not be allowed to change their mind due to the behavior of the one they supported once they have said they support somebody?

*wrinkles his nose* Sounds almost like an loyalty oath if somebody is a backstabber for changing their mind
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 08:08 PM
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8. A lot are switching. nt
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 10:43 PM
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11. LOL!
Sorry but you made me laugh. :)
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