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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 05:54 PM
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PREDICTION: McCAIN will be the GOP's "COMEBACK" "Kid" in New Hampshire--
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 06:00 PM by FrenchieCat
Because on the GOP side, Guliani is on the decline, and will continue to drop. Too "Iffy" in reference to his personal life story and too much shit in his closet (cross dresser/3 wives/adultery/children that don't talk to him/corruption scandals in the wings(Berney Kerik & documented 9/11 incompetence) will eventually make their way to front page headlines if he is the nominee.

It is feared by the Pubs that Huckabee would be defeated by Clinton due to his lack of foreign policy experience (and the fact that Bill was governor in Arkansas, and if needed to win Arkansas, Clark would be added on the Ticket as Hillary's VP....thereby blowing Huckabee out of the waters in the General Election).

McCain is currently running a "distant" 2nd in NH but won it the last time he ran there. http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/

McCain, according to the media was RIGHT on the Surge,.....and this will be highlighted more and more by the media, the closer the vote.......

The evangelical vote will split out between Huckabee and Romney and become a watered down non factor.

Fred Thompson and Ron Paul will get the "on the margin" Repug Voters.

Independents and Moderate Pubs will Vote MCCAIN.

McCain has a well known and impressive hero story, is still loved by the press but currently underreported (this will be changing within the next week). He has the Foreign Policy creds that the Repugs need in order to actually run a "scare 'em" campaign...which is their only chance at a win to the WH....cause economic issues ain't real good for the GOP right now.

I believe that McCain is laying low relatively low, and like Kerry did back in 2004 for the Democrats, will come out as a surprise winner due to his resume.

Democrats don't expect this, which is why it will happen.
Democrats are underestimating McCain at their own peril.
The media love a good story, and that one would be great for them.
The media has McCain documentaries already in the can.
They will highlight the fact that he is a War hero, over and over again.
There will be no way for the Democrats to deny his heroism, and therefore, any swiftboating move will not be effective.

MY analysis if McCain ends up as I believe he will, the nominee for the Repugs goes like this:

Hillary Clinton would give McCain the best fight and could win. She has Bill and her own experience in the White House to counter McCain's experience. Both Hil and McCain are seen as tough as nails, and she has as much gravitas as he does. The fact that Hil could do good in the South (especially with a Clark or a Webb on the ticket) as she did live there and Bill governed there makes her attractive. One might see more single women register to vote in order to vote for one of their own. Repug women might secretly vote for one of their own no matter what they say.

The experience of having ran and won a White House twice before would also be helpful. Hillary would have her work cut out for her, but she could do it.

Hil hasn't not accepted public financing; McCain has or has not ruled out public financing. If he has, Hil has not, and she has the advantage. If he hasn't, he is in better position, but has not much money now.


Obama would also do well against McCain. He is the single best symbol of change against the oldest man running for president ever. In addition, the Repugs would have to be "careful" on how they run a negative campaign against Obama. Obama is the exact opposite of McCain; young, charismatic, pensive and engaging. His lack of a long senate career and his consistent record would also help him. His proven good judgment on calling the Iraq war what it was; dumb....gives him the edge over the other IWR Democratic candidates. Obama can clearly state that he would not have voted for the IWR, something that McCain cannot say. Obama would energize youth and Minorities currently not voting into registering to vote. The swing purple states could change the map toward Obama. And I don't believe for one minute the CW from some camp that in the privacy of the ballot box, White folks wouldn't vote for Obama. Hell, if the Teevee show "24 hours" can have a Black President featured and shown as mainstream, I believe that Americans will not think of it as an impossibity. I believe that Obama would be a good fit against McCain....not because of their similarities, but because of their differences.

Again, Obama has not accepted public funds, which puts him in a superior position to the other Democratic candidates...and equal footing with Hillary. I cannot confirm that McCain has accepted matching funds. If someone has the information, please provide it to me.

John McCain would beat Joe Biden. Why? Because they both have been parked in the senate for a long time, but Biden represents the teeny Blue state of Delaware. Biden will be painted as another Blue State senator bound to lose. He is too much like McCain (but more spontaneous thank Maverickish) in some ways (old) but at the end of the day, the hero would win over the senate fixture......no matter how great Biden is on foreign policy.

McCain will find it easiest to beat John Edwards in a general election. McCain has the cancer story, just like the Edwards family. McCain has the underdog story, just like John Edwards. McCain comes from the Southwest and will be strong in this Swing regions of the country.....Edwards is from the South, but the South is still more Red than Purple. They are both White Males, so Edwards has no "edge" in that regard. The only edge that Edwards has is that he is good looking; however, his good looks have already been defined as a type of effeminated character flaw (haircut, etc..) and in fact, his looks may be more of an hinderance than we realize. The fact is, Edwards will appear as a lightweight standing next to John McCain. Edwards senate record can be easily questioned when jutapoxed against what he has been saying during this election; I was wrong before I was right will not play well....in particular after the media is finished with him. Edwards debating McCain on foreign policy will not bode well for Democrats. It's not that Edwards won't be right, it is that Edwards will be considered too inexperienced and too damn "I'm sorry" to be considered as effective as Commander in Chief.

McCain in a General Election against Edwards would do well all over the south, in the southwest, including Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico....states the Repugs need.

Edwards has opted for public financing and therefore is limited during those crucial months from the time the Nominee is known (will be in mid February this time round) till the National Convention (usually in June or July). That's at least, March, April, May, and most of June. That's a long time on a political clock.

I don't discuss Richardson and Kucinich, because as much as I like them, I see them as long shots.

Just ask that you watch closely at the reporting that will start on McCain about 2 weeks prior to the vote.



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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 05:59 PM
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1. Bring him on--he's elderly, forgetful, emotionally unstable, and an insane warpig.
No one besides die-hard GOPers is going to vote for more war in a general election. And Ron Paul might steal his Independents away in the NH primary--it's not a given that McCain will win NH. Might be Romney. He's got an uphill battle, no matter how much the media tries to befriend him.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:08 PM
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5. The problem is not us Dem activists who would be choosing McCain....
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 06:11 PM by FrenchieCat
it is Republican voters. So whatever we may think; old, forgetful, unstable, and an insane warpig...it doesn't much matter.

the problem is who the middle would choose; and out of all of the GOP candidates, McCain's got the best chance of getting that done in a general election. That fact will not escape the GOP during the primaries. They like to win, if you recall-- Romney's Mormonism and lack of foreign policy will cinch it for the GOP to go with with McCain. With Romney, the Scare 'em campaign cannot be waged as effectively...and understand that campaign is the only one the GOP knows how to run.

That's my reasoned prediction, but certainly this not a fact.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:26 PM
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14. Republican voters might like his warpig status, but they agree that
he's elderly, forgetful, and emotionally unstable. You fail to understand the animus that many in the Repub party feel towards McCain. McCain-Feingold was like a stab in the back to them, as was immigration. They haven't gotten over it. He might be the nominee, but I doubt it. I think it will be Mittens.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:04 PM
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2. I think McCain is the dark horse
He was the presumptive favorite early on - it could be that after looking closely at the rest of the field (and rejecting them) the Republicans turn back to the old standard bearer .

I also think the Kerry comparison is apropos.


McCain scares me in a general election. They'll give him some fundie nut job as VP. He takes the mountain west states off the table for the Democrats (unless Richardson is VP).

He's dangerous.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:08 PM
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4. but McCain is disliked by Republicans which was not the case with Kerry
also, McCain is a big name now unlike Kerry in 2004. Kerry went up as people got to know him. the people already know McCain and if he isn't getting support now he wont later.

HE won New Hampshire in 2000 Primary in addition to some other states but still lost.

i agree that McCain would be competitive in a GE but i just don't see him getting there.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:10 PM
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6. McCain is not disliked by the Republicans in general.....
only the Republican activists.

Kerry was not loved by the Democratic activists....who loved them some Dean....but he was considered the "most electable".

I believe that once they really think about it, the GOP will conclude that McCain actually is the most "electable" during a general election.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:23 PM
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12. No, he's disliked by Republicans in general. They don't trust him.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:57 PM
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18. I think FC makes a good point - that it's the activists who
don't like McCain - much like it was the activists who didn't like Kerry... then when votes actually started being cast the more mainstream party members suddenly changed the whole picture. Mainstream party members are interested in electibility, IMO - that's what propelled Kerry to the nomination, and it's why McCain worries me. Once people get a good look at the Republican field, they could very well turn back to McCain. And the press will eat it up! Nothing like another comeback kid script...


I think McCain's run in 1999 was more of an insurgent candidacy - it was pretty clear that the party had anointed Bush - once Bush won SC McCain accepted the party's decision with the understanding that he was next in line for 2008.

I don't know - we'll see, I guess. One thing for sure - all these polls that everyone is always arguing about here on DU don't mean shit. I think this race is wide open, on both sides of the aisle.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:07 PM
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3. I've Been Predicting This...
for sometime now. So, I agree. Where I disagree is the assertion that Biden would lose to McCain. I think Biden would wipe the floor up with him.

-Paige


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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:11 PM
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7. No way. He is falling apart physically and mentally. Huckster is it. nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:15 PM
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10. Well, we will see soon enough, won't we.
I'm just letting you know that in politics, what it seems ain't what ends up.

Just like Dean and Hillary were the inevitable, and Bill Clinton was the comeback kid, and John Kerry was mortgaging his house.......what polls you see in early December for a January vote don't mean one doggone thing, IMO. The press is there for a reason, and IMO.....as we near the vote, whatever they decide will make news will make news just in time to sway those just starting to pay attention voters. The media understands that power, and so do I.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:12 PM
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8. Don't count on it
My mom is involved in conservative politics in Manchester (the largest city in NH) and she's telling me that McCain has been written off by them. They are split between Huckabee and Romney.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:17 PM
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11. Talk some more to your mom after the media changes it's tune....
and also remember that the caucus system is supposed to come up (in Iowa) with the most electable in the GE....cause that's always the argument on both sides. When McCain folks argue about McCain, they actually have a better case than all of the rest combined; all who have certain weaknesses much more to their detriment than does McCain--in a General Election, that is.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:40 PM
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17. N.H. conservatives don't pay much attention to the media
They're a lot more savvy than that.

According to my mom, McCain barely has a presence in N.H. His campaign was asked to speak at a meeting my mom's group held (attended by over 200 people) and they declined.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:14 PM
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9. i think you may be correct
however, i disagree on the Paul "on the fringe" vote - i thiink he's gonna surprise in NH.
i'm just not sure who his votes will hurt most. if he has a good showing, i think that will be what puts McCain over the top as he will drain votes from other candidates.

and i'm operating on the assumption that the Paul-McCain clashes will translate to voters (ie: Paul voters won't vote for McCain anyway, and vice versa).
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:25 PM
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13. McCain is running A LOT of television ads in NH.
Well, actually on the Boston stations, but that's where they advertise to reach NH voters. I've been seeing his ads constantly for the past few weeks. (He must have raised more money than I thought he had if he's running all of these ads on Boston stations, particularly during the news.)

Ron Paul has also been running TV ads here, probably for a month or two. A lot of folks in NH have a libertarian attitude, which is a big reason that Paul could do pretty well there.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:28 PM
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15. agreed
see my post above if you haven't already. :hi:

and on a side note, i am sick to death of the Ghoul's ad that's been running nonstop here. :puke:
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 12:24 AM
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27. Yes, I second that emoticon.
It seems like every time I look up at the TV, there he is again. :puke:

:hi:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 08:04 PM
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23. He's running them on CH 9 outta Manchester, too.
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 08:05 PM by MADem
That serious, somber one with the crisp lighting is in heavy rotation.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 06:29 PM
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16. I think McCain is in good shape to place second, too. I think Romney will win, simply
because that baaastid spent more time in NH when he was MA Guvnah than he did south of the NH border. He has a jazzy lake house up there, and there are a lot of greedy fuckers in the Manchester area who think he's just swell.

I think people who dismiss McCain are making a mistake. He could actually win the whole banana, simply because all of his scandals are out there, known, and OLD, and by default, as you go down the list of flakes, crazies, and tightass Ken Dolls, he looks almost GOOD in comparison. He also has "crossover appeal" amongst a subset of voters who don't pay attention.

And then, of course, there's this:

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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 07:30 PM
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19. Republicans
I think there Is a possibitly that Huckabee will be the Republican nomnee.He Is moving ahead In Iowa.The problem for Mccain In New Hamphseriere Is Independents may focus more on Obama than him.
Regardless If Mccain Is the nominee he must be hit on his real record.If Mccain wants to say things are working In Iraq he must be tied to Bush.The public agrees with our postion on Iraq,
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 07:39 PM
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20. I can see that happening,
the focus has been on Huckleberry, Rudy and Mitt lately, and all of it controversial news. I didn't see the debate, but it looks like McCain scored big points on the torture issue, and the CIA tape scandal is gathering steam. Beyond that, the GOP is already trying to spin the surge as successful.

McCain could resurface big time.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 07:40 PM
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21. I made a similar post about a month ago. nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:39 PM
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25. You should provide the link.....so that I can read it.
I'm interested. :hi:
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 07:58 PM
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22. An excellent and interesting analysis
I too have been watching McCain both hanging in there, and gaining some ground. However, it's difficult for me, on the outside of the republican crazy house, to understand the dynamics. McCain is conservative to a fault. Oh wow, the man had the nerve to criticize Rummy and torture! Why that bothers the republicans makes no sense.

Here's what I don't understand: Hagel, a fiscal and social conservative war hero, was so easily dismissed by wingnuts. Personally, I think Hagel could have beaten the pants off any one of Democratic current field. I mean, it was Hagel for the win. Instead the republicans have chosen to spend their money and time dragging the swamp.

It's interesting.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:41 PM
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26. Do you know if he has accepted Public Financing?
There was a lot of talk in the media that he was eligible for it back in July.....but I couldn't find anything about him actually accepting matching funds. If he has, that may make him "done for". Republicans don't like having to fight without the funds, although McCain would have an easier time of it than would Hulkeberry.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-08-07 08:02 PM
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28. Looking at Chris Bowers' latest chart
Regarding Cash On Hand: McCain is in debt at this point. He may not have qualified for public financing. Clinton 32m, Obama 30m, Edwards 26m (I guess that includes public money) Ruddy 11m, Romney 6m (I think or maybe 9m, I'm too lazy to go back and check. My bad) Anyway, none of the republicans are even close in the money race, although it should be noted that the Huckster has done it without any money. He's now moving up in NH.

Bowers think that the Huckster causes trouble for the Dems because he can lock up the South and possibly Ohio. The South means 160+ electoral votes...nearly there.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 08:06 PM
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24. McCain cannot compete in todays GOP nt
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