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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:36 PM
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Are Edwards supporters being taken for a ride yet again by his no PAC no Lobbyist promise...
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 10:50 PM by SaveElmer
His record is not probably not encouraging to supporters...

Edwards recently asked Demcoratic voters to take a pledge not to support candidates that take PAC or Lobbyist money...presumably because that causes "corporate" Democrats to be elected...not populists such as himself who will only have the peoples interests at heart...


Yet the last time he campaigned on this for Senate in 1998...things didn't really turn out that way


eriposte at theleftcoaster has a good analysis of Edwards record vs the rhetoric...

From his 1998 Race for Senate...



Despite his own personal wealth, Edwards ran as the populist outsider, saying Faircloth cared more about big business than the people of North Carolina.

"We have got to start the process of restoring people's faith, making them believe again that this really is a democracy, and that their voice matters when decisions are being made in Washington," Edwards, then 44, said during his race against Faircloth.

With his emphasis on vindicating blue-collar workers and the poor, Edwards was a political anomaly. He had the kind of rags-to-riches life story that is often celebrated by Republicans, but instead of singing the praises of the free market, he condemned its excesses.


and this...


"This is who he is," Prince said, noting that as far back as his 1998 campaign against Sen. Lauch Faircloth (R-N.C.), Edwards was talking about fighting for the little guy and against special interests. In one ad during that race, Edwards said: "Insurance companies have plenty of lobbyists fighting for them. I don't want to be their senator. I want to be yours."



And how did he behave ?


He voted in favor of a Bankruptcy Bill not once but twice, voted against filibustering the bill and voted against some progressive amendments to the Bill, he supported NAFTA as recently as 2004, he voted in favor of storing nuclear waste at Yucca mountain, he voted in favor of No Child Left Behind, he voted in favor of the Andean trade agreement and easing trade relations with China - not to mention, he voted in favor of the 2002 Iraq war authorization resolution and stood by his vote in 2004, he voted against an attempt to restrict the Iraq war authorization to one year, he voted against creating an independent report on pre-war intelligence manipulation, he voted against an attempt to raise taxes to fund the war, and he voted in favor of labeling Iran a state sponsor of terrorism.


I would add as well that he opposed universal health care in his 2004 campaign...


Now on to 2008...using the same pseudo populist rhetoric, trying to hide his above mentioned record, while trashing the records of folks who by and large were more progressive than he was in office...Edwards is hoping the same trick will work again...

as eriposte notes...


Lawyer-turned-lobbyist Sen. Fred Thompson (R-TN) has about $100K in PAC receipts, Republican Governor Mike Huckabee has taken barely $20,000 from PACs and Republican Governor Mitt Romney has about $300,000 in PAC funds - and all of them are far to the right of Sen. Hillary Clinton even though they have taken much less PAC money than she has. In other words, Sen. Clinton is very progressive on corporatist matters even when compared to Sen. Edwards and Sen. Obama and you have three top Republican candidates who are far to her right who have taken significantly less contributions from PACs than she has.


But we have Edwards who took no PAC money acting exactly like what his supporters oppose...

Is Edwards simply pulling the wool over their eyes...yet again?


http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011418.php#011418


edited to add link




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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:37 PM
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1. Why not post positive things about your candidate instead? (n/t)
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:39 PM
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2. Like "the Positive" that she's going to lose
O8)
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:40 PM
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3. Good luck finding any. n/t
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:43 PM
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6. Well, she voted for both the IWR and Kyl-Lieberman
some people consider those positive achievements.

of course, I'm not "some people".
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:03 PM
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19. Those people are called republicans
Right?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:19 PM
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20. no, I think they're people who agree with IWR and Kyl-Leiberman
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 11:20 PM by Lerkfish
Many of those people are here at DU and are self-identified democrats.
I just don't agree with them.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:41 PM
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4. Edwards-Hater!
:shrug: isn't the same sort of candidate assasination you whine about when its about clinton?
How are you not an "Edwards-Hater", then?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:42 PM
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5. Show an instance where I used the term Hillary-hater...nt
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 10:42 PM by SaveElmer
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:43 PM
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7. sidesteps the question entirely, doesn't it?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:47 PM
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8. It's always the season for hate....
:evilgrin:

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:48 PM
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9. How have I assasinated his character?
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 10:49 PM by SaveElmer
Why not address the inaccuracies in the post...since you believe misstated his votes apparently...

And really, this teeth gnashing from Obamawards supports is just so touching...with post after post accusing Hillary of the most vile things, using derogatory names for her etc...your concern really touches my heartstrings...

Hell I didn't even write the piece...but it is spot on...

Edwards record does not match his populist rhetoric...I'm sorry that his supporters are offended by people pointing that out...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:52 PM
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12. Obamawards? that`s new
just what does that mean. i like to keep up with the latest pet names for the candidates
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:53 PM
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14. Just got tired of typng Obama and Edwards...nt
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:59 PM
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17. well, perhaps you post too many threads on them?
if you cut down, that would save your fingers from cramping.

:)
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:02 PM
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18. So much hypocrisy to expose...and only ten fingers...nt
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:20 PM
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21. whose hypocrisy are you exposing?
and why is that your mission?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:58 PM
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16. you don't get the irony.
you view what you posted as a valid criticism of a candidate.

Most "hillary haters" also view what they post as valid criticisms of a candidate.

I'm making an object lesson, here.

sorry for taxing your noodle overmuch.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 01:09 AM
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24. self delete
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 01:19 AM by asdjrocky
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:49 PM
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10. is there a link to all this?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:50 PM
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11. Added it...nt
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:52 PM
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13. thanks
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:57 PM
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15. The leftcoaster makes some excellent points,
he might as well have taken lobbyist money considering the way he voted. (He still hasn't released all the information on his bundled money during this primary.)
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:43 PM
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22. If you had looked at the Charlie Rose interview
you would have heard Edwards admit that when he got to Washington, he got sucked into the game, and he regretted it.

zalinda
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 01:03 AM
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23. self delete
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 01:16 AM by asdjrocky

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