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DaisyUCSB Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 11:53 AM
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Andrew Sullivan predicted that Bush will endorse civil unions
Edited on Sun Feb-22-04 11:54 AM by DaisyUCSB
Wishful thinking on his part?

What's his track record on predictions?

This was on the Chris Matthews show. He said that it will alienate the religious right but he will do it
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 11:55 AM
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1. I think the gay marriage issue
is trickier for Bush than Kerry

Democrats will accept civil unions. Fundies will not. And Bush believes his father lost to Clinton partly because the fundies stayed home on election day.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 12:14 PM
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6. Yep. There is no way Bush can do this and keep his base
he's fucked. And surprisingly, it does look like Bush has a finer line to tread than Kerry.
I am encouraged to hear this.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 11:56 AM
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2. No chance
Sullivan is just trying to rationalize his support for Bush. He is completely blind to Bush's radical right agenda.
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 12:19 PM
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7. He is a bit restless though,
and may well bail on Bush. He is bothered by the vicious social agenda of the republican party. He is also concerned by the alarming budget deficits. But the primary reason he seems to be pro-Bush is that (since 9/11) he is very pro-war.

Sullivan is occasionally worth reading. Few writers are more eloquent concerning gay marriage and related issues.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 11:56 AM
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3. You bet it's wishful thinking. I'm thinking..
Edited on Sun Feb-22-04 11:59 AM by Kahuna
this whole constitutional amendment will backfire on shrub with moderates. While many moderates may be against gay marraige or civil unions, a consitutional amendment makes smirk look mean spirited. It seems harsh, petty and overtly political to seek a constutional amendment to discriminate against a segment of our society who live their lives in every way the same as the rest of us. Save for whom they choose to love.

While one's conscious may tell it that gay marriage is a sin, that same conscious should tell it that a constitutional amendment sanctioning discrimination is just as wrong.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 11:57 AM
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4. bush is for not stopping civil unions
sorta.

If he comes out and says civil unions are wrong and sinnful he'll be tombstoned. Let's hope the fundies draft Roy Moore or stay home.
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Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 11:58 AM
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5. Not unless he wins in 2004.
And his term is safe, God forbid. I could see him doing it for political reasons, bucking the far right.

The religious right will do what it's told. It'll scream bloody murder, but the GOP is its party.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:43 AM
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8. I don't think the fundies will vote Dem
but if some of them stay home, Bush is in trouble. That is part of what caused his father's defeat according to the GOP.
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:11 PM
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9. no way
He can't. He'll lose the fundies - and they're already pissed about SCOTUS and the sodomy laws. He needs the fundies - he can't win without them.

Nothing says self hatred more than a gay Republican.
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