2000: Bush disenfranchises Blacks in FL/2008: Hillary disenfranchises college students in IA

[undercoverduer]

Talk about right wing tactics. I always thought we Democrats/progressives support people voting. If the students are LEGALLY registered to vote in Iowa they should be able to participate, its that simple. Its amazing how people will abandon their alleged principles in an effort to win an election.

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In a jab at Obama’s efforts to encourage out-of-state students who attend college in Iowa to caucus, Clinton said the caucuses are only for people who live in this state.

“This is a process for Iowans. This needs to be all about Iowa, and people who live here, people who pay taxes here,” she told the Clear Lake crowd.
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http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071203/NEWS/71203018/-1/politics

If they are registered in Iowa they should be able to participate. Enough said, why does Hillary have a problem with that?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

1. Hitler criticizes black man Jesse Owens. Hillary criticizes black man Barack Obama. Coincidence???

[Clintonista2]

3. Bush is married to a woman.

Barack Obama is married to a woman. Coincidence?

[undercoverduer]

4. Say what you want, but tell me what is wrong with students who are legally registered in Iowa. . .

. . .participating in the caucuses. Its that simple. If the are registered in Iowa they should be encouraged to participate in the caucuses and if they live in in another state there is nothing wrong with encouraging them to return to IA for the caucus. College students have often registered to vote in the state in which they go to school.

[cali]

7. oh c'mon. your comparison is bullshit and

odious at that. And I have roundly condemned Clinton's attempt to say that college students shouldn't vote in Iowa's caucus. Bushco used actual illegal and underhanded tactics to depress the black vote. She's done nothing like that.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

11. Anyone should be able to cast any legal vote. HRC is not right on this, bit is not Bush either

[undercoverduer]

12. This is what Hillary says about kids returning to Iowa to caucus:

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In a jab at Obama’s efforts to encourage out-of-state students who attend college in Iowa to caucus, Clinton said the caucuses are only for people who live in this state.

“This is a process for Iowans. This needs to be all about Iowa, and people who live here, people who pay taxes here,” she told the Clear Lake crowd.
-snip-

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071203/NEWS/71203018/-1/politics

If they are registered in Iowa they should be able to participate. Enough said, why does Hillary have a problem with that?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

16. Did you read your own citation?

"Clinton said the caucuses are only for people who live in this state"

Do you dispute that?

All legal voters in Iowa are people who live in Iowa, by definition. That includes students who legally register.

Any out-of-state college student who registers in Iowa is registering based on his or her RESIDENCY in Iowa. They are stating that they Live In Iowa.

So they live in the state.

[undercoverduer]

19. So should do University of Chicago students who are from other states. . .

. . . not be allowed to register in Illinois?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

20. Of course. If they claim Illinois residency they are allowed to register.

And if they claim Illinois residency then, by definition, they live in Illinois.

[undercoverduer]

22. So if a student is from Illinois but goes to school in Iowa and is REGISTERED in Iowa. . .

. . .should he or she be able to participate in the caucus even if his or her primary residence is Illinois?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

26. His primary residence is not Illinois in that instance

You are supposed to vote where you spend the majority of the year. If someone from Illinois lives nine months a year in Iowa he is an Iowa resident.

As I said up thread, I am not disagreeing with you about the tastefulness of Clinton's rhetoric. But it is hardly comparable to Bush in Florida. And what she said was literally true, though with an ugly tone.

[rinsd]

9. !!!!

:rofl:

[LakeSamish706]

2. And there in lies the problem with a number of these candidates....

The whole thing for many of them is to win the election, not be good for the country....

[ronnykmarshall]

5. Wow the shit is getting deeper and deeper in here.

[ronnykmarshall]

6. Wow the shit is getting deeper and deeper in here.

[Iggo]

8. And when exactly did Clinton disenfranchise these students?

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[undercoverduer]

10. Here is Hillary on students returning to Iowa to caucus. . .

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In a jab at Obama’s efforts to encourage out-of-state students who attend college in Iowa to caucus, Clinton said the caucuses are only for people who live in this state.

“This is a process for Iowans. This needs to be all about Iowa, and people who live here, people who pay taxes here,” she told the Clear Lake crowd.
-snip-

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071203/NEWS/71203018/-1/politics

If they are registered in Iowa they should be able to participate. Enough said, why does Hillary have a problem with that?

[MonkeyFunk]

13. And again

how is she disenfranchising them?

Is she proposing legislation to stop them from voting? Is she hiring thugs to keep them from the caucuses?

[undercoverduer]

15. Why bring up the issue if she is not trying to impede or discourage them from. . .

. . .participating? Why raise the issue? Is it an attempt to intimidate? What is is the purpose of her raising the issue?

[MonkeyFunk]

17. One very logical reason

she knows Iowans are very protective of their caucuses, and she's trying to appeal to that.

[MadBadger]

28. Or that Obama kicks her ass in the youth vote

[suston96]

14. Thanks for that link to the Des Moines Register .....

...where in the last paragraph it said:

"This morning, Clinton’s campaign circulated word that a new poll by The Associated Press and the nonpartisan Pew Research Center shows her leading by 5 points, and a new Iowa State poll has her ahead by 7. They also pointed out that Clinton is up by 19 points in New Hampshire and 14 points in South Carolina."

Oh, and that crap about registering students? It is the law in every state that you vote in primaries or participate in caucuses only if you are registered.

In Iowa I am told that you can register at the caucus. I don't have a problem with that. But you cannot be registered in two states at the same time.

Bringing in out of state students who do not have a legal residence in Iowa stinks of voting fraud!

[Debi]

24. No it's not. It is legal in Iowa for an out of state Iowa college student to register to vote

in Iowa and participate in the caucuses.

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Iowa Code Section 43.91 provides that only eligible Iowa voters may participate in the caucus. The only expansion upon that right is the additional factor is that if they are not an eligible voter on the evening of the caucus they will become one by the date of the next general election.

To become a voter in Iowa one must have a residence in the State. To have a residence in Iowa, one must have a home in the precinct "with the intent to remain there permanently or for a definite or indefinite or indeterminable length of time." (Iowa Code Section 48.5A). Further, a non-resident, with a voting registration in another state is not eligible to register in Iowa (i.e. "not claim the right to vote in more than one place." See Section 48A.5(1)(d).

Additionally, there is a limitation on what can be established as a residence. Under Code Section 48A.5A Determination of Residence (2) provides that "a residence for purposes of this chapter cannot be established in a commercial or industrial building that is not normally used for residential purposes", i.e. which I think we can reasonably take to mean not a hotel or a campaign headquarters.

(Note: if this discussion continues, there is a specific exception for students, who may declare either their campus residence or their hometown as their residence, but not both. See 48A.5 (5)).

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This memo was written in 2003, since then the Iowa Legislature has enacted same day registration so the out of state Iowa college students can register to vote and participate at the caucuses on January 3rd.

It is legal and encouraged by the Iowa Secretary of State and the Iowa Democratic Party.

[LiberalFighter]

18. Are they also registered to vote in their home state?

If so, then they should vote absentee in their home state.

Otherwise their voter registration should be canceled in their home state and vote in the college state.

They can't legally be registered to vote in both states.

I doubt that many out-of-state students change their registration to the college location.

[Debi]

25. In Iowa we have same day registration so an out of state Iowa college student

can register to vote at the caucus and participate that evening.

[suston96]

27. Same day registration....

Can you check to see how that is done? In the two states I have lived you could register the same day as the primary but you had to prove your residence - say with utility bills or the like.

I cannot imagine that anyone can walk into a polling place and register with no proof of residence and then caucus or vote.

[Debi]

29. Iowa voter registration form

We do not check IDs at our caucus or polling sites. (However the republicans will be doing that this cycle)

http://www.justvote.org/reg/IA.pdf

[suston96]

31. I found this....

http://www.sos.state.ia.us/elections/voterreg/CollegeStudentsVote.html

"Non-Iowa Resident Attending College IN Iowa
If you are from another state (i.e. Illinois) and are attending college in Iowa (i.e. Iowa State University), you may register to vote in:

* your Iowa college town or
* your home state (hometown) and vote absentee

(You cannot register to vote in both locations) "

Looks like you have to be an Iowa resident or you must be enrolled in an Iowa College or University.

[Debi]

32. Yes, that is what we are talking about here -

out of state Iowa college students

"Looks like you have to be an Iowa resident or you must be enrolled in an Iowa College or University".


Am I missing something?

[Skip Intro]

21. Hillary doesn't compare Obama to bush, but man, Obama and his gang love comparing her to bush/cheney

Speaks volumes about who is really using rw talking points. (Hint: it's the group who used rw hack novak's talking points to attack Hillary).


You should be proud.

[undercoverduer]

23. Hey if the shoe fits wear it. . .

. . . its much harder to compare Obama to Bush/Cheney.

[Dawgs]

30. Holy Shit!! Now she's trying to keep people from voting.

So much for that "perfect" campaign.

[Debi]

33. It amazes me that her Iowa Advisor former Governor Tom Vilsack

Didn't advise her on Iowa Law. Unless he did and she just ignored his advice? :shrug: