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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:06 AM
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Hillary's Hypocrites
There is a thread here discussing how some idiotic HRC supporters think its tacky and stupid that Obama sent out an email asking for money after Hillary attacked him. Well I was reading on Huffpo an article about Obama doing this, and I stumbled on an old Arianna Post. Looks like we got some Hillary Hypocrites on this board, SHOCKER:

"Welcome to one of the hottest new trends of Campaign 2008: raising money by being insulted. Or, at least, acting like you've been insulted.

A growing number of candidates have adopted the motto, Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words... will allow me to significantly add to my campaign coffers.

Hillary Clinton's campaign is the latest to try to turn a bash into cash.

After Barack Obama recently chided Hillary for being "Bush-Cheney lite," Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle quickly fired off an aggrieved email, seeking retribution via contribution.

"Can you imagine??" fumed Doyle. "Hillary like George Bush??!! Or Dick Cheney!!" (Focus-group testing must have shown that double punctuation is extra effective when asking for money.) "When you're attacked, you expect your family and friends to stand with you. And one thing is crystal clear: you are Hillary's family; you are Hillary's friends... Now there is only one thing I'm going to ask you to do: CONTRIBUTE.... Every dollar helps Hillary fight back."

The message was clear: Hillary has been attacked (indeed, "attack" appears six times in Doyle's 440 word whimper) and the only way to salve her wounds is with a CONTRIBUTION (ALL CAPS must have tested well too).

Team Hillary also tried to turn dudgeon into dollars when WaPo fashion writer Robin Givhan had the nerve to write about the minor-but-notable amount of cleavage Hillary had shown during a speech on the Senate floor.

It took the Clinton camp a week to realize that there might be gold in them thar hills, but once they did, the faux fury was palpable: "Would you believe that the Washington Post wrote a 746-word article on Hillary's cleavage?" fumed Senior Clinton advisor Ann Lewis. "That is grossly inappropriate... Click to contribute." (Lewis apparently didn't get the double punctuation or ALL CAPS memos.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/campaign-alchemy-candida_b_59540.html


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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:22 AM
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1. That's one of Hillary's biggest weaknesses
There is almost nothing she and her supporters can accuse her opponents of that she isn't guilty of herself. There is a reason why her negatives are so high.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:25 AM
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2. So are you saying that it's OK if all candidates do things they shouldn't do?
Just 'cause she's the one pointing it out doesn't mean it's OK that the other guy is doing questionable things as well.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:25 AM
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3. In terms of this specific incident
Edited on Wed Dec-05-07 03:26 AM by hnmnf
I think both of them doing it is fine
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:30 AM
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4. True, but the hypocrisy diminishes her credibility
It would be like Guiliani accusing someone of being unfaithful to their wife. He might be right, but people are just going to roll their eyes.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:00 AM
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6. Raise money with emails???
It's okay if she raises money with emails, but it's not okay if anybody else does it???

That's been her entire campaign. Everybody else is as bad as Hillary, so you may as well go with the original awful because gee, she's a woman and you get the Big Dog back in office.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:06 AM
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8. What is understood by Hillary supporters is
the words "if you want to".. Her e-mails aren't declasse stating you should or must donate money:

"While Obama's campaign has readily responded to Clinton's shots as "disingenuous attack politics," it also has sought to profit from them. Supporters on Monday were asked to donate $25 to the Obama campaign through a Web site address that features the words "cost of negativity."
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:37 AM
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9. Oh what nonsense
spin it any way you like it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:56 PM
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12. Exactly how many angels do you have on that pin?
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 06:03 PM
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13. No, no Cali...it is ...
Shuckabee who holds the pin with the dancing angels.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 03:31 AM
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5. I went after John Edwards after he asked for donation dollars when his wife came out with cancer
But since then, I realize it was a mistake. Besides, who would you rather have as a President? Someone who has the experience to know that while making your case you can be taken by surprise, and you should always have a plan B ready, and was very successful at doing so. Or would you have 2 other people who used the Senate to launch their campaigns. Granted, at least one of the other two options didn't triangulate where they would run for Senator.

Kucinich is a great man, with great ideals and great convictions. He doesn't look the part, so the simpleton shits whose votes count more than those of 'the liberal elites' won't elect him.
Hillary has more baggage than a Chinese freighter full of gay lead toys on fire headed to San Fransisco.
Obama is a good bet, but too new.
Dodd, firefighters are great, we love them, they will carry you out of a burning building, but they won't carry you through this.
Biden, dude, we need you to kick some ass in the Senate, or get some better numbers and be President. You could be 'it'.
Edwards. This is your answer, unless Biden surges.
Gravel: Intensity and rock-chucking does not a candidate make. Yes, we get it, you made some waves.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 09:50 AM
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7. Kick! nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 12:31 PM
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10. Maybe they're "in it" together.
Trading insults seems to keep those who don't vote the issues kicking money into the pot.

"Money doesn't talk; it swears!"---Bobby Dillon

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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:55 PM
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11. Love that toon n/t
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 06:18 PM
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14. With supporters like these
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 09:26 AM
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15. hnmnf, are you really an Obama supporter?
Because posts like this do him no good at all.
You're not helping.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:19 PM
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16. Oh this one is straight up an attack on people like you
Who posted that Obama sending out his emails were really tacky, when evidence shows HRC did it long before.
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