Mother Jones asks what's up with Hillary supporters floating old poll numbers and calling them new?

[Tejanocrat]

New Iowa Polls Put Clinton Up Big, but the Numbers Are Phony

There's been a minor splash because of two new polls that seemingly contradict the Obama surge in Iowa.

The first is an AP-Pew poll that has the three-way race looking like this: Clinton 31%, Obama 26%, Edwards 19%

The second is an Iowa State University poll that is even more startling: Clinton 31%, Edwards 24%, Obama 20%

Here's the catch. The AP-Pew poll was conducted November 7-25. Some of the results there are two to three weeks old. The Iowa State University poll was conducted November 6-18. All of the results there are two to three weeks old. They all predate the juvenation the Obama campaign has gotten going in Iowa these past few weeks.

More current numbers all show the race tied or with Obama leading slightly. An American Research Group poll conducted 11/26-11/29 has Obama 27%, Clinton 25%, Edwards 23%. A Des Moines Register poll conducted 11/25-11/28 has Obama 28%, Clinton 25%, Edwards 23%. A Rasmussen poll conducted 11/26-11/27 has Clinton 27%, Obama 25%, Edwards 24%.

The average, according to Real Clear Politics, is dead even: Obama 27.5%, Clinton 27.2%, Edwards 22.3%.

[MNDemNY]

1. Not Mother Jones, Just some poster on their blog.

Quite your lying. Or can you not read too well? It's a community blog, you might as well post links to other obama zealots right here on DU. What a load of crap.

[Dawgs]

2. Yeah, but it's still a good post.

[MNDemNY]

5. Then attribute it to Mr. Stein, Don't try

to give it more credibility than it has. The OP is being disingenuous, AT BEST.

[Tejanocrat]

8. "Mr. Stein" is Mother Jones's Washington Bureau reporter!

[Tejanocrat]

7. LOL! Just some poster on their blog? Jonathan Stein is Mother Jones's Washington Bureau reporter who

does much of the political blogging for magazine.

[underpants]

3. YEAH!I've been floating old Edwards polls

and this makes me look bad

[MonkeyFunk]

4. because if the polls were released today

they're new polls.

[rinsd]

6. The numbers were just released.

And every poll IA shows about the same thing, a 3 way statistical tie going into last month.

[TheWraith]

9. That's not what the Hillary supporters were saying a few weeks ago.

When she was leading, even within the margin of error, she was a "clear frontrunner."

[rinsd]

12. In Iowa? When has someone claimed Hillary was the "clear frontrunner" in Iowa?

:shrug:

She is the "clear frontrunner" at this time(and a few weeks ago) in NV, NH & SC and national heats.

But Iowa has been a very close 3 way race for 6 months and even when Hillary pulled ahead slightly I would hardly call her the clear frontrunner in Iowa.

[suston96]

10. All well and good....

But why weren't the Obama flavored polls questioned as to their timeliness when the media presented them as "a new poll released today....."?

And the "average"? How can that be trusted when there is such variance in how the average is computed?

Better leave these polling machinations up to the maturation process whereby the passage of about a week settles polling done the week before.

Don't understand that? Neither do I. But it works.

[asdjrocky]

11. Two words:

Mark Penn.

[Tejanocrat]

16. Bingo!

[jgraz]

13. That's what happens when you pick a coup-plotting poll-rigger to run your campaign

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Penn%2C_Schoen_and_Berland_Associates

Penn, Schoen and Berland (PSB) has played a pioneering role in the use of polling operations, especially "exit polls," in facilitating coups. Its primary mission is to shape the perception that the group installed into power in a targeted country has broad popular support.

[Tejanocrat]

15. Bingo!

[elizm]

14. Billary thinks we are all stupid. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

20. Billary?

how lame.

[Auntie Bush]

17. Good article.

To sum it all up...Clinton and Obama are tie and Edwards is slightly behind.

[zulchzulu]

18. Pretty soon the Clinton campaign will demand that only old polls be cited

It will make it easier for them to avoid what is obviously going to happen. A serious case of Frontrunneritis has set in and one of the biggest collapses in recent political history are unfolding.

They will try anything.

[Tejanocrat]

25. As Hillary begins to cite older and older polls, her numbers will appear higher and higher.

[Czolgosz]

19. I've been wondering about that!

[ozone_man]

21. Me too.

I checked the poll report for a date and there was no date for when the data was taken. Pretty strange.

[ClarkUSA]

22. Hillaryworld BS politics as usual, trying to blunt the Des Moines Iowa poll results

Desperation is driving even greater heights of Clintonian dishonesty, if that's possible.

[calteacherguy]

23. I made this point earlier today.

Obviously the difference is the data is almost a month old.

[ClarkUSA]

24. It appears Clinton Internet guru Peter Daou did the dirty deed... what a stooge!

"This morning, Clinton's internet director Peter Daou did a quick driveby to post a couple polls intended to contradict the recent wave of polling showing Clinton tied or falling to second place in Iowa polls. Daou pointedly didn't comment on when the polls were taken or their methodology.

Turns out both polls were sampled beginning the first week of November, conducted through mid-November, and finished well before the recent wave of polls showing a surge by Edwards and Obama. In the case of the Iowa State poll, the sample ended in mid-November... Planting polls in blog communities, sampled weeks ago, and spinning them as "new" results, is an awful lot like placing questioners in debate and event crowds and not mentioning their affiliations. Partial truth is not truth. The missing data is the critical part. It's not the issue date of the poll; it's the sample date. Conflating the two is fundamentally dishonest...a Rove-like gambit.

Someone is getting real nervous if the Internet Director himself dumped these dated polls..."

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/3/143622/504

Phony is and phony does. And Hillary Clinton, the biggest phony of them all.