Media's snub of John Edwards depriving America of hope

[asdjrocky]

Great piece I found recently, wanted to relate it here.

Isabel P. Ball
December 3, 2007
Many political pundits view this presidential contest in Iowa is not the usual, in that majority numbers, more than 50% of caucus voters are still uncommitted at less than a month away to the caucus day in Jan. 3. Thus, uncertainty grips the main contenders of both parties.

In the Democratic ticket, Clinton and Obama play a see saw game, Clinton, at first, showing strong support, only to chip away toward the finish line. She is reportedly outpaced by Obama in the latest poll at 29% vs. Clinton’s 25%.

However, someone is steady, though sort of stagnating at the third slot at 23%, which is the case of candidate John Edwards. His support in Iowa once was strongest; he was the leader of the pack. He is no more. It is bothersome to me, but hoping on some statistical gurus’ analysis that he is still in dead heat with the much publicized campaigns of Clinton and Obama.

For more:
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=44482

I do believe the rest of the world is starting to catch on, and with more pieces like this, they can not help but take notice.

[asdjrocky]

1. K

[Beaverhausen]

2. I'm not giving up hope

GO EDWARDS!!!

[AndyA]

3. The media has been depriving America of hope ever since they failed

to report the truth about Bushco.

And in many ways, they've been doing this since the Fairness Doctrine was eliminated by Nancy Ronald Reagan.

If America knew the truth about Bush and the Republicans, no Republican would ever win another election.

[asdjrocky]

4. Thank you Andy

Good points all.

[MethuenProgressive]

5. Issy Ball - Yet another George Bush supporter for Edwards.

Ick.

[asdjrocky]

7. Amazing how he's catching on across the board isn't it?

[GreenArrow]

10. amazing how he seems to be attracting Bush supporters...

must be a "charisma" thing.

[zalinda]

12. You'll have to be faster GreenArrow

MethuenProgressive beat you to the Edwards bash.

zalinda

[GreenArrow]

15. I'm not in a race

but I do not like or trust Edwards. Didn't either in 2003/4, as a search of my posts will attest.

[FatDave]

47. Yeah, so we've heard.

Hard to miss, given that you say it on every Edwards thread.

[GreenArrow]

65. Guess what.

You'll keep hearing it. There are always new people coming here who haven't seen it yet. I know it probably seems like, but no, I don't post on every Edwards thread.

[asdjrocky]

23. Don't get it do you?

Lot's of people support Edwards.

People of both colors, Red & Blue.

[GreenArrow]

39. I didn't get it when people supported Reagan either.

"Morning in America..."

[madmunchie]

43. Don't worry, there are a great many people that voted for Bush, didn't make them right

Bush promised not to Nation build, restore integrity to the WH, compassionate conservatism....Bush made many promises that sounded so wonderful, inspiring.......and then look what he did. JE was a little like that in his Senate bid, ran as a Democrat, then voted like a Republican.

Looks like many here are falling for the same bullshit like the voters did when they voted for Bush and the voters that voted for JE. And then you have the ----people here,that are standing in line falling over themselves so that they can buy into more "promises". Some people will never learn lessons. There is a very simple way to judge a candidate, look at what he "says" and then look at what he "does" and see if they match.... If people would have done that with Bush they would have seen his "doing" was totally unlike his "saying", just like JE in the Senate, his "saying" was unlike his "doing". Now we have the same situation and a whole lot of people AGAIN falling hook line and sinker for "promises" and getting down right vicious over it to.

[zalinda]

9. Wow, MethuenProgressive you really have a freak

on for Edwards. I don't think I've read any Edwards thread yet where you haven't shown up to bash him in one way or another.

zalinda

edited for clarification

[ChiciB1]

17. Zalinda... We All Have Noticed The Same Thing I Think! I Just Ignore

it myself! If not this one, it would be someone else! We just need to keep our spirits HIGH and keep the ball rolling for Edwards!

[Beaverhausen]

20. Actually, MP is an equal opportunity basher

He/she would do better to post something positive about his candidate, Richardson.

Instead it's all negative all the time. Yawn.

[asdjrocky]

24. Have to agree....

The same old crap from this guy/girl is starting to get old.

[waiting for hope]

29. It's hard not to respond -

I've had a post or two deleted because of the knee jerk reaction to his statements - which, BTW, I have come to believe are only meant to start a flame war...ignore the gnat, it's life depends on the attention it receives.

[madmunchie]

52. Good one, blame others for your actions......yet another trait of JE supporters?

[waiting for hope]

56. What????

That made NO sense, I didn't blame anyone but myself for having a knee jerk reaction. Projecting?

[madmunchie]

44. Let me join in. Say a word against JE and watch the personal attacks fly

and then, before you know it, alert buttons get hit, thread shut down....All typical of JE supporters. They don't defend with backing up JE's "wonderful" Senate record, "NO" we hear that we are ...."flaming"...."trolling"....and on it goes. Some of us just see thru what JE says and what JE has done, and it is really difficult to understand how so many of you just either choose to ignore it, or pretend it doesn't exist and it doesn't cause alarming concern about the integrity - or lack thereof, of this particular candidate.

[MethuenProgressive]

49. Good post, Mad

The Johnny Edwardians can't handle the truth.

[madmunchie]

53. Thanks, you are right, not only can't they handle the truth, they are supporting a candidate that

voted more like a Republican while he had his short short stint in the Senate. So many rail against the "Republicans" for implementing terrible things during the last 8 years, yet, JE, while he was in the Senate for a short 6 years, as a Democrat no less, stood by their sides and helped them???!!!!!

Now JE - "brother, "HE HAS SEEN THE LIGHT!" and throngs of Dems are falling all over themselves, believing and supporting this guy.

[sandyd921]

46. Do you want to win the election?

Well, we're gonna need votes from some who voted for * and later came to regret it. I don't understand what your problem is with this.

[Catchawave]

6. You'll like this little goody :

From the Charlotte Observer...


Monday, Dec 3, 2007
Posted on Mon, Dec. 03, 2007
Can John Edwards win his party's nomination?
WAYNE MADSEN

John Edwards has something Hillary Clinton doesn't: an army of union members and progressive activists who have been cultivating the nation's grass roots on behalf of the former senator and vice presidential candidate.
With 130 paid staffers in Iowa and an army of enthusiastic volunteers, Edwards stands a good chance of derailing Clinton's juggernaut of big-money donors and machine politicians. Endorsements from the Service Employees International Union and the Postal Workers Union will help Edwards in a state where organized labor remains surprisingly strong.

If Edwards wins the Iowa caucuses or even ties in a three-way race with Clinton and Barack Obama, the folksy North Carolinian will be in a good position to trump Clinton in New Hampshire. Backers of Bill Richardson, Chris Dodd, and Joe Biden will begin to look for another candidate to take on Clinton. While some may opt for Obama, a sizable move by these political free agents to Edwards will put him in a better position to win in New Hampshire.

In 1976, Iowa helped propel a lesser known Southern candidate, Jimmy Carter, to the White House.

The fact that Bill Clinton skipped the Iowa caucuses in 1992 (he received 3 percent of the vote) may not be lost on Iowa's Democratic caucus participants. Iowans are quite serious about their politics, and they do not like being ignored. And the fact that John Kerry, winner of the 2004 Iowa caucuses, chose not to fight the flawed presidential election results in Ohio despite the objections of running-mate Edwards, may draw more Iowans to Edwards as well.

New Hampshire is also unkind to front runners like Hillary Clinton. In the 1992 primary, Bill Clinton lost New Hampshire to Massachusetts Sen. Paul Tsongas, another enterprising senator who, like Edwards, spoke on behalf of the working class.

Edwards' strong populist appeal has won him the backing of some of America's largest unions, including the steelworkers, the mine workers, the transport workers, the carpenters and joiners, and several state chapters of the SEIU, including New Hampshire's.

If the service employees in Nevada swing their support to Edwards, he also could do exceptionally well there in the Jan. 19 casino-dominated caucuses. Then comes New Hampshire followed by Edwards' birth state of South Carolina, and Super Tuesday on Feb. 5.

Edwards' ace in the hole may well be his campaign manager, former House Democratic Whip David Bonior of Michigan, whose persuasiveness may convince Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich and, perhaps, even Barack Obama to sign on to the Edwards campaign.

The primary battle would then be between the Edwards campaign, supported by blue-collar workers and farmers, matched up against Hillary's party loyalists, Washington and Hollywood insiders, and large political action committees.

In such a battle, Edwards could not only wrap up the nomination but begin his plans to move back to Washington as president -- one who would likely bring real and hopeful change to a depressed nation.

http://www.charlotte.com/409/v-print/story/388829.html

Believe!

[asdjrocky]

8. Very nice Wave-

You should post this.

[Catchawave]

19. I did post it....to my DU'jour'nal .....so I can find it.

People started getting upset with me posting too many Positive Edwards threads and wasting their time on DU, so I started hiding the good stuff in other Positive Edwards diaries until they cool off. :evilgrin:

Then there's the 26 I have on ignore, heaven knows what they're bitching about right now :rofl:

[rinsd]

13. LOL, Wayne Madsen and a Rwer!

[ChiciB1]

18. I Saw A Scroll At The Bottom Of C-Span The A Representative From Iowa

is throwing his support behind Edwards now. I'm sorry but I can't remember his nam. Seems like it was Bruce somebody but I could be way off with that name!!

Thanks for info Catchawave!

[Catchawave]

21. Hi Chici, so great to see you again......

We've been revving up the JE Supporters forum....DU Drop In :D

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=257

***no flameproof underwear required***

[ChiciB1]

36. Yeah, I Jumped Back In Again... I Knew I Couldn't Stay Away... But

my support is as strong as ever. I'll check it out for sanity's sake! I actually think the Edwards supporters are very very committed and dedicated. More so than most other candidates, but you can bet that certain names will ALWAYS pop up to bash him!

I may not know how to do all the intricate PC stuff, but I can add my support!

[rinsd]

11. You do realize that the author is a rwer in sheep's clothing

Check out her other articles - http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewByAuthor.asp?authorID=273

[MethuenProgressive]

16. But she's for Edwards!! She must be a progressive!!

Edwardians - it takes all kinds, even BushBots.

[asdjrocky]

25. Yes,

We do have a big tent.

[rinsd]

28. I would read the author's other articles.

Not exactly the sort of person you would seek praise from.

[asdjrocky]

30. Funny,

I don't think there is a single Edwards supporter looking for "praise".

We're looking for the truth; which we've found in Edwards.

We're looking for a better America for ALL people; which we've found in Edwards.

The truth is the Truth, no matter who speaks it.

[rinsd]

31. The author's writing belies that they write the truth.

All she did was write what you wanted to hear about one subject.

Alot of her writing was right wing and quite racist.

[asdjrocky]

32. And?

Hey, I don't like Woddy Alan much personally, but there are a couple movies that I like a great deal.

And you don't know me at all, how is it that you would think I was so easily fooled?

Here's a hint, I'm not.

[rinsd]

33. So why did you link to a rw moron just because they praised John Edwards?

I assumed you were unaware of it.

But apparently you could care less.

[asdjrocky]

35. Again-

Truth is truth, no matter who speaks it.

But I can see that you have a problem with truth by who you support.

[rinsd]

37. IOW, as long as you hear what you want to, the source means nothing.

And people who call perceptions of a political race the "truth" really need to get out more.

[asdjrocky]

38. The truth is a pretty simple concept.

But again, I understand you having a problem with that, based on who you support.

By the way, you're wasting your time here. Maybe you should get out more.

[rinsd]

41. The truth is a pretty simple concept. It has little to do with OPINION as you attempted to cast it.

"But again, I understand you having a problem with that, based on who you support"

So I am a liar for saying what exactly?

That you posted a support article for your candidate from a rwer?

But I do admit its funny to be lectured about truth by a supporter of a candidate who pretends his Senate career never happened, that all his votes when he had power are inconsequential compared to his campaign rhetoric.

Very funny, actually.

[asdjrocky]

42. And Hillary, "blue" senator from a blue state,

Has done so much for the Progressive cause.

I'm not a DLC member, I'm a Progressive.

What about that don't you understand.

And again, the truth is the truth. The media has not given Edwards campaign a fair shake. Anyone looking at this objectively would know that.

[MethuenProgressive]

50. Your tent needs a bouncer at the door.

Unless "Yes, I hate the Democratic Party" is the secret password? The OP links to writings by an ultra-BushBot. You folks need to wise up.

[cuke]

51. It's the "Broken Clock" BS

For some reason, the less intelligent look at broken clocks waiting for them to be right. I dont know how they know when the broken clock is right without looking at an unbroken clock, but for some reason, they keep on relying on the rightwing broken clock.

And the fact that Edwards appeals to a racist is of no concern

[madmunchie]

54. Wise up and JE supporters do not are contradictory

Maybe that is the key here. The JE supporters are actually Repubs now saying that they are Democrats. Wouldn't be so far reaching. Many Repubs are embarrased by Bush, yet cling to the Republican values and JE is someone that like Bush has said one thing and then done another, so being that is the candidate that mostly attracts them, JE is their perfect choice. Vote for a Democrat that once in office (God Forbid) will act more like a Republican. Isn't that what he did as a Senator?

[asdjrocky]

55. Excuse me?

Um, but that makes very little sense, if fact, it's full of crap.

Speaking for myself, I've voted Dem in every election since 1980.

And I take you calling me a former pug, as an insult.

I am a Progressive Democrat, and that's what I've always been. In fact,
that is one of the main reasons I did not like the Clinton Administration.

By the way, do you read what you type before you post it?

[madmunchie]

57. Sorry if the truth hurts. Yes, JE voted more like a Repub, than a Dem

Just look at his record. Now, is it time for me to throw personal insults at you? That is a common trait of JE supporters, to respond to a post that they don't like by starting to throw personal insults at the individual poster, thus starting a flame war then hitting the alert button if Simone hits back too personally.

[asdjrocky]

58. An insult of your opinion is not a personal assault on you.

That was not my intent. I'm sure, in person,
you're very nice.

I've looked at his record. Yes, I know how
to use VoteSmart. Know what? It's just about
the same as everyone else that is running.

As far as insults, if you were to look back
you might see that I never go into positive
threads about other candidates to toss insults
about. (Which is what you did here.)

If I were to do that -you know, go into positive
post and toss groundless insults around- then I'd
have no problem with what you just did.

And by the way, thanks for the kick.

[madmunchie]

63. No problem, but it is really hard to stomach the "rah rah rah" JE supporters

Of all of the candidates he is the least qualified and the least to be believed. The others at least have a history of votes other than JE's horrible votes.

There is a great need to have serious, frank discussions, not these meaningless love fests that accomplish nothing. JE's totally positive threads, need a major dose of reality. None of the candidates are close to perfect, but JE easily sinks to the bottom of the list when you discuss him using JUST FACTS.

[asdjrocky]

64. We can agree to disagree.

I've looked at the record, I've looked at the facts. And the plain fact to me is, as a candidate, none are more qualified than him. He is easily, of the top three, the most electable. If he comes through on even half of what he wants to do, it will be a new and better country.

I feel like you are accusing me of being "rah rah" for coming to a decision, and supporting that decision. I believe that providing information, for and about my candidate here, serves a purpose. I often invite people in to discuss what I say. I think you've got me wrong, and that might be where I originally took offense.

I don't assume because you might support someone else, that you are a rah rah, or a republican ian. (Sorry, that one really got me started.) Or, for that matter, less informed than I am.

Simple, I don't know you, you don't know me.

This is my opinion. But it is not uninformed.

Good luck to your candidate, whoever that may be.

[ChiciB1]

14. GREAT PICTURE! I've Been Saying This For A Long Time... D.C. Elites

are afraid of Edwards and I honestly believe they are doing ALL they can to keep him down. But lately I've seen more and more people turning to Edwards!!

I was thinking last night that I would write CNN & MSNBC and giving them a piece of my mind. Don't know how to do a petition to present, but that would be Even better!

If anyone out there knows how we can send a "group" message why don't we give it a try??

[asdjrocky]

22. That's a wonderful idea-

Here's an e-mail campaign to the NYT:

http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2007/12/3/3513/32641

Problem we have, Edwards supporters don't have a lot of money. So we don't speak as much with our dollars, but we can make a hell of a lot of noise with our Volunteer Voices!

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/asdjrocky

[ChiciB1]

34. Thanks For The Links... And I KNOW What You Mean About The Money

thing. I've given quite a few times, but nothing of great substance. I have ordered lots of bumper stickers and posters, and have 2 yard signs... Uh, one now a neighbor asked for my other one, which is GOOD news!

Still, I think we need to reach CNN & MSNBC! I don't usually watch them, but hear what is said on the boards! But I tuned in today because of the ruckus about Rove's advice to Obama, and NOT ONE MENTION of Edwards! They were talking about Iowa and NOT one word!!!

Even in my "red" part here, I have managed to turn some people on to Edwards and see some feedback from my signs! But since Florida won't be "doing" the Primary thing it's difficult to generate a lot of energy because of it!

He does need money I know, but his biggest enemy is D.C. and it's such a slap in the face!

[Rambis]

26. Media want Obama and Hillary the people want Edwards

I think his ground work here will pay off.

[asdjrocky]

27. Good point, and very valid.

Thank you.

[cuke]

40. More rightwing drivel from a Hillary Hater

[Catchawave]

45. I know the OP, and so not a Hillary hater

just a great debater :hi:

[asdjrocky]

48. Again-

You are one snapy guy!

[Lindsey]

59. I've said it about a million times (not just here). They are more afraid of

John Edwards because IMHO he has the BEST chance of winning the GE. He's #1 on my list.

[asdjrocky]

60. Agreed

[mimitabby]

61. yes, exactly! and

then read THIS:
http://www.skirsch.com/politics/president/comparison.htm
"Before the 2000 Presidential election, I published an analysis of George Bush which urged people not to vote for Bush because he would be a disaster as President since he had a track record of ignoring facts, ignoring science, and twisting the facts to support his misguided beliefs. Even though the evidence was there for everyone to see, most people don't look beyond the sound bites and nobody else predicted this. As everyone now knows, I was right on the money with my prediction.

I decided to do a similar in-depth analysis of the top 3 Democratic candidates for President for this election. You'll be surprised at what I found. I sure was. When I started the research, I was undecided. A month later it was obvious that the evidence consistently showed that was one very clear standout among the top 3 candidates.

My methodology was the same as I used in 2000, i.e., if you want to know the truth about these candidates, you have to look beyond the surface. You must look at the facts that they are not telling you. Those hidden facts paint a very consistent picture for each candidate. "

[asdjrocky]

62. Very impressive.

Everyone here should read this.

But I doubt, unfortunately,some will.