I won't vote for Kerry or Edwards no matter what !

[BourgeoisPig]

I'm voting for Kucinich on March 2. In Nov I won't vote for the nominee if it's kerry or edwards. Both are too corrupt. If the country's democrats can't elect a progressive, non corrupt nominee, they won't get my vote.

Let them have another 4 years of bush. Maybe that will wake them up.

They have abandoned me.

I'm about to abandon them !


I'm voting :

Kucinich in March

Nader in November ( or maybe Peter Camejo )

[POed_Ex_Repub]

1. That's nice

:shrug:

[DjTj]

2. Welcome to DU!

...I hope you're not very flammable...

:hi:

:nuke:

[Sean Reynolds]

3. I'm voting Dean Tuesday, 3rd Party in November.

Not exactly sure if it'll be Nader or the Socialist Party candidate, Walt Brown.

[mouse7]

51. Sean and BourgeoisPig... sitting in a tree... K-I-S-S-I-N-G...

It would be such a cute wedding. L'Internationale playing during the ceremony. Golden Gate Bridge in the background. A five year plan full of little comrades...

[Sean Reynolds]

53. Feeling left out?

Aww, I'm sorry that we don't conform to the DNC.

[mouse7]

54. Not hardly.

Go be the cute non-conformists couple you are. It'll be a beautiful wedding.

*sniff* I always cry at weddings *sniff*...

[Sean Reynolds]

56. You know you'd of fit right in during Hitler's Germany...

Cause they LOVED people to conform to their ideals.

[mouse7]

58. Nobody is demanding any conformity here, Comrade Sean

Go off with your significant other BourgeoisPig to plot to overthrow your oppressors and make beautiful revolution together.

Don't forget to wear clean underwear while you're overthrowing your oppressors.

[Sean Reynolds]

60. No, you're just belittling us because we don't.

[mouse7]

61. Nobody is belittling you for non-conformity.

Now how about you and your little friend BourgeoisPig go outside and get some fresh air while you play "Revolution."

[Sean Reynolds]

62. Oh you're not?

By saying that we're going to go marry and what not isn't belittling?

When you call us 'little friends' you're not belittling? When you talk to me like I'm 5, you're not belittling? Seems to me you are.

Now I urge you to remove that stick from your ass.

[mouse7]

63. I'm rubber you're glue

An' whatever you say
Bounces off of me
An' sticks to you

[Sean Reynolds]

65. Ah, so I see why you're talkin to my like I was a 5 year old....

You're acting like a five year old.

[mouse7]

66. AM NOT!

[Sean Reynolds]

67. Yup...are so.

[emanymton]

4. It's Call Democracy

[question everything]

5. Then keep posting here as often as you can

Because if Bush wins, Ashcroft will move full speed ahead to "monitor" these kind of venues to eventually close them or just leave them empty shells.

Oh, about Freedom of speech? A loaded Supreme Court will just follow their wishes.

Was nice meeting you. Good luck in finding a hiding place. Would hate to read about you going to jail for "subversiveness," or something

[wtf]

8. .

I would like to see an age poll for people who are planning to do this.

[mstrsplinter326]

13. Ageism

Way to go. Ignorance proven. Age does not determine quality of opinion.

[The Magistrate]

24. Actually, Sir

It is a factor it is wise not to ignore. Most who have been both young and old are aware of that, and, if so inclined, could probably trump up some "ism-ist" slur for young whippersnappers who are bigotted against the wisdom of age, which by definition they cannot possibly have any experience themselves of....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[JNelson6563]

74. "wisdom of age"

is also often accompanied by that nasty old "comfortable with paradigms" mindset. One must be careful to discern between the two.

Julie

[mstrsplinter326]

26. No so much

Did I say that the knowledge gained by age was not to be valued? Not at all. But the fall back excuse of 'the young are ignorant' is BS. It's a weasel way out of logical arguements.

PS - Please don't post opinion if one cannot reply to your message. That's quite impolite.

[Old and In the Way]

40. I was the smartest guy in the world at 18.

I'm now the dumbest guy according to my kids....go figure.

The point here being 18-22 year olds will be the most likely demograhic (along with a few aging revolutionaries) that will vote for Nader? Why? Because they are politically naive in their experience with how politics is played today. Ralph will tell them it's all about them and their dreams. Sadly, more than a few will bite on it and follow his doomed campaign.

[The Magistrate]

42. Mr. Twain Spoke To That, My Friend

Something to the effect (the precise wording escapes me just now) that when he was in his teens he thought his father an ignorant fool, and when he reached his twenties, he was amazed how much the old man had learned in ten years....

[mstrsplinter326]

45. Or is it a loss....

Have you lost your views because of your experiences or your tire of the battle? Have you lost idealism because you've sacrificed your ideals at the cost of a comfy life style. Capitalism will do that to you. Youth is not inherently bad, neither is experience. That's the only point I am trying to make here

[frustrated_lefty]

57. "Have you lost

idealism because you've sacrificed your ideals at the cost of a comfy life style?"

No.

[osaMABUSh]

6. That'll show 'em !

[BeFree]

7. Who cares?

So what...

[bluestateguy]

9. Fine. You forfeit your moral authority to criticize this administration.

And when you or a close friend or relative is drafted into George W. Bush's army in 2005 I'll be there to stick my finger in your face and say, "I told you so!"

[BourgeoisPig]

16. Kerry wants to draft 40,000 - Edwards supports IWR

They're both war mongerers.

Neither one will get my vote.

I'm voting FOR a candidate, not 'against' Bush.

Neither K or E pass the 'smell test'

[poskonig]

23. Kerry does not want to draft 40,000 people.

If you don't want to support the very liberal J.F. Kerry because Bush Junior went to war, I'm not sure what to tell you.

[bigtree]

35. Senator Kerry, in a speech at Drake University, you said

MR. GRIFFITH: Senator Kerry, in a speech at Drake University, you said in your first 100 days you would move to increase our armed forces by as much as 40,000 troops. You said there was a dire need for two full divisions. I'm the parent of two teenage sons. I-we're patriots, and people are wondering right now about voluntary versus draft. And, as president, how do you hope to lure and attract quality people into the military? And, as a follow-up, where do you stand on the issue of the draft?

SEN. KERRY: We don't need a draft now, and I wouldn't be in favor of it under the current circumstances. But, look, the first place you start to attract people into the military is to have a president who can prove to America that that president will be responsible about how that president deploys the military.

All across this country there are families right now-all of us have talked to them-who are suffering greatly, because the Guards and Reserves have been called up. They're overextended. The troops of the United States of America are overextended. Their deployments are too long. The families are hurting at home because they lose money from the private sector when they're called up, and they get paid less in the military, and nobody makes it up to them.

The fact is if we are going to maintain this level of commitment on a global basis-for the moment we have to, because of what's happened-we need an additional two divisions. One is a combat division, and one is a support division.

And that's the responsible thing to do. I've also said, responsibly, that's temporary, because I intend to be a president who goes back to the United Nations, rejoins the community of nations, brings other boots on the ground to help us in the world, and reduces the overall need for deployment of American forces in the globe-and I mean North Korea, Germany and the rest of the world where we can begin to set up a new architecture of participation of other countries.
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=M000027534&keyword=&phrase=a+draft&contain=

[joyautumn]

70. Translation from KerrySpeak:

"Damn right I'm gonna draft your little brats, and if you were a patriot like me you wouldn't be so selfish and you would stop whining about it so much!"

When Kerry was at Yale, Lieberman was in the law school there, and they served together on a committee whose purpose was to counter anti-draft protests on campus. I'll bet they still have the minutes from those meetings that they'll be pulling out soon to refresh their strategies.

Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what your country is planning to do to you.

[MercutioATC]

10. I disagree with your vote,

but I'll defend to the death your right to cast it.

I WILL ask you to reconsider, though, if only for the thousands more who will die senselessly in Iraq (and who knows where else if Bush is re-elected). I loathe Kerry and Edwards too, but I'd rather see us build on a business-as-usual Democratic base than a hawkish Republican base.

Just consider it.

[poskonig]

11. Kerry is one of the most liberal people in the Senate.

You got it right the second time. *You* are abandoning us.

[bhunt70]

12. just write yourself in if you are going for the moral vote...

atleast you will know you agree with yourself on ever decision and you'll have about as much of a chance at winning.

Seriously, trying to wake up the democratic party? What a joke, this nomination process has woken up the democrats. I think you are just a glutton for punishment.

[mstrsplinter326]

25. woken up?

Has the big-business campaign money stopped?
Did the front runners for this election vote against the war in Iraq?
Are the majority of the American people now receiving a blast of truth focused on the lies of the Republicans?
Which one of the Kerry-Edwards-Dean-Clark love rectangle would re-instate the Kyoto Protocols?
Who would get the US back on the UN's human rights commission?

Define woken up. I'd say prodded, maybe poked.

[Paschall]

37. I'm not sure what your point is

But you can find the answers to your questions--answers which may surprise you--at the Democratic candidates' websites.

And you might also take a look at opensecrets.org to check out those campaign contributions. All the Democratic candidates combined gathered only a fraction of the contributions Shrub has alone.

[mstrsplinter326]

46. Bush is not good, but...

again I come back to the idea the rhetoric does not equal action. Often times with recent democratic politicians, it actually means the opposite.
I know that the dems are better than bush, but does that equate to being good? I don't think so, you might, but agree to disagree on that. I think there is a better than both kerry and bush...
Wellstone for prez.

(I try not to believe in conspiracies, but this is timing and actions that are hard to ignore. Wellstone would have stormed the dem. party and the nation with liberal action... Rest in peace)

[bornskeptic]

72. I'll take the easy question.

Which one of the Kerry-Edwards-Dean-Clark love rectangle would re-instate the Kyoto Protocols?

Kerry, of course.

From the League of Conservation Voters profile (p57)

http://www.lcv.org/Files/OpenFile.cfm?id=1960


GLOBAL WARMING
Senator Kerry participated in the U.N. negotiations to create the Framework Convention on Climate Change at the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio and served in the congressional delegation to the 1997 Kyoto and 2000 Hague climate talks. Not surprisingly, he has been critical of the Bush administration for its inaction on global warming. In 2001, he introduced legislation to speed national action to address global climate change. Kerry also successfully attached an amendment to the 2001 Bush budget package to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, address global climate change concerns, protect the global environment, promote domestic energy security and to provide
increased funding for voluntary programs that will reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Responding to LCV's environmental questionnaire, he said, As president, I would re-engage with the international community to craft a global, binding treaty to cut pollution and take us beyond Kyoto to protect the global environment.

[MurikanDemocrat]

14. Vote as you please. Spare us the bullshit.

[mouse7]

52. Ditto again.

Making a habit of this, huh?

[dtseiler]

15. Think for a second

While I would love to vote for Kucinich in November (voted for him in WI primary), perhaps the majority of the country would not. The fact of the matter is that they need someone that can get the vote of those Republicans and Independents who aren't so sure about their guy. I've personally spoken with Independents who voted for Bush in 2000 but are looking elsewhere now. However they would pick Bush again over Dean, but Kerry over Bush. We need that vote.

It's called baby steps. Start with someone like Kerry or Edwards getting elected. Get people's eyes opened up to the progressive ideal, then they'll pay more attention to what DK stands for. Right now they'll just ignore him as some "tree-hugging liberal". Yes they are wrong, but you can't force anyone to listen to the truth. If they did then Bush would be impeached, removed from office, and in the Hague by now.

[wtf]

21. ..

Way to go. Ignorance proven. Age does not determine quality of opinion.

Well, sorry, actually sometimes it does, hence why 15 year olds aren't allowed to drink, smoke, drive a car, ect...

[sistersofmercy]

17. Well then, I'm not going to attempt to convince you in your error

in thinking, Bah-Bye!

[Paschall]

18. Well, as a fellow American here in Paris said

The French showed us the example. Jacques Chirac garnered less than 20 percent of the vote in the first round of the 2002 French presidential election. Leftists and disaffected voters scattered their ballots across a choice of almost 20 other candidates. The Socialist, incumbent prime minister Lionel Jospin, placed third in the balloting and was thus eliminated from the second and final round of voting.

Neo-fascist Jean-Marie Le Pen faced Chirac alone for the presidency--perhaps the most blatantly unpalatable choice French voters have ever had to face. Yet the French turned out en masse for the second round. Over 80 percent cast their ballots for Chirac against the fascist threat of Le Pen.

[AP]

43. The right wing plotted their victory in France months ahead of the...

...election. The drumbeat from the press 8 months before the election was that it was "boring." WHO'S paying attention 8 months before the election!!!! They actually talked aobut the electioin way more than in other years because they had to tell us over and over how boring it was. Who stayed dans their maisons? The left.

[AP]

19. Spend a day hanging around bankruptcy court watching the middle class

disappear, and then hang out at the soup kitchens for an evening and see their destiny.

Then tell me you won't mind another four years of Bush.

[Adelante]

20. Is this an invasion?

Welcome to DU, BourgeoisPig :hi:

[RafterMan]

22. It's fake n/t

[donco6]

78. Yes

They're everywhere today.

[rpannier]

27. It's Your Choice Who To Vote For, but...

It's your choice who to vote for, but the question remains...Are you just whining because you didn't get your way. In 1992, I supported Jerry Brown for the Democratic Nomination and as we all know he lost. I voted for Bill Clinton. Why? Because he was the closest thing to supporting how I felt on substantive issues...environment, civil rights, etc. This time I'm supporting Edwards. If he loses, then I'll vote Kerry. Why? Because I don't think raising arsenic levels in my water is a good thing. I don't think saying f*** you to the rest of the world is a good thing. Bush must go. That's the bottom line. In conclusion I ask, if it was 1932 and you supported a guy who ran against Hindenburg and lost. Would you vote "your conscience" knowing that Hitler would be elected? (p.s. I know Hitler didn't get elected)

[mistertrickster]

28. I AGREE! The only way I'd vote Kerry is if he were opposing Bush.

Oh wait . . . he is, hmmm . . .

[ochazuke]

29. What state do you live in?

If it's a solid Dem or Rep state, then my reply would be "great!"

If it's a swing state like Ohio or Missouri, then I'll have to lecture you with my fox hole alagory.


I like Kucinich, but I think a HUGE part of the reason why he SEEMS less corrupt than Kerry or Edwards is that he has no chance of being nominated. Do you know how that works?

[Syrinx]

30. I will vote for Kerry or Edwards no matter what

Or whoever the Democratic nominee is. Because the evil has to stop.

[tedoll78]

31. I'm looking forward to when..

the official nomination is over so that this type of tripe will be banned. Using DU to trash the only chance we'll have at a progressive president.. ugh..

Veruca Salt wanted 100% also. She ended-up never being happy, and with nothing at all.

[nightperson]

50. Let's be a bit more serious. Ms. Salt's campaign was derailed

by smears linking her unfairly to this notorious, nefarious network: http://www.oompa-loompas.net/ and most informed people know and admit that! Please be fair. Further info on the so-called scandal that brought her down: http://dribbleglass.com/articles/wonka-scandal.htm. None the less, her ideas and her attitude remain and inspire.

[oldleftguy]

32. I felt the same way about Eugene McCarthy in 1968.

To this day I regret not voting for Hubert Humphrey. This time we know what evil means, with 3 years under the heel of these neo-conservatives. Better the devil you know than the one you don't. The pivot of politics will alway's involve compromise.
Please reconsider. Youth's blood runs hot in matters of ideology. Please vote, you will be glad you did.

:hi:

[question everything]

38. And just think: Nixon would be considered liberal

by today's standards. Didn't he established the EPA?

[bigtree]

33. Them

Us

[Crunchy Frog]

34. I'm sort of curious as to why you would

come to Democratic Underground just to tell us that you won't vote for the Democrat. But yeah, whatever, help Bush get elected.

Somehow, I suspect that you wouldn't really be bothered by another Bush term, and frankly, I don't really give a damn whether you intend to vote for Nader or for Bush.

I do appreciate your little attention getting exercise though. It's been very effective.

[corporatewhore]

36. welcome to DU if DK doesnt get it i'll vote for David Cobb or Camejo

whoever the greens pick :hi: from corporate whore to BourgeoisPig

[coloradodem2005]

39. I understand how you feel.

Vote for whoever you want in the primaries, but we need to be ABB. If we do not get rid of Bush we will never get anywhere close to where you want to be. At least not in our lifetime. Consider what you do in November.

[not systems]

41. BFD. I vote against what I do not like Bush.

You can do as you like but we are in a crisis
and the hard right is in firm control of the
levers of state repression.

They just need an excuse and your right to vote may be a memory.

What then?

Vote against Bush 2004 and change the course before it is to late.

[Democat]

44. "If the country's democrats..."

I doubt you ever planned to vote for a Democrat.

[buckeye1]

47. Tell someone who cares.

Its your vote,waste it as you will. If Bush wins, it will be your last. But then your conscience will be fine.

[bushwakker]

48. Oh Che Guevara...how cute

How cool, and the fellow with the hammer&sickle, that's really neat!! Gee let's worship an ideology that's enslaved and murdered millions...won't that be trendy at the campus coffe spot. We get the message. We know you love the GOP destruction of the USA because every day brings us closer to the revolution. I'm sure you will posting a variation of this vanity post from now until November. Good luck with that.

[ochazuke]

49. Would this allegory convince anyone?

You're in fox hole, and mean ole bush is lobbing mortar shells all around you. Your company commander takes a piece of shrapnel right in the brain. Now, you're refusing to advance with your buddies because the guy who took command doesn't agree with you on tax breaks for renewable energy.

Isn't that incredibly self-absorbed and childish?

My point is this: we are at war -- not with the terrorists, but with fascism right here at home. You know what will happen if the Republicans have a filibuster-proof senate and the presidency: the judiciary, our public lands, our tax system and fiscal situation -- they'll all be lost to a new dark age.

[Gemini Cat]

55. How dull. eom

:dem:

[Forkboy]

59. Why do I suspect this is a mock post

designed to stir shit up?

[morgan2]

64. anyone else get the feeling

this is bush supporter posting?

[Forkboy]

68. Yep

I'd bank on it.

[Crunchy Frog]

73. Bingo! n/t

[fearnobush]

69. Looks to be a Rove plant here.

It'll never work.

[Piperay]

71. Cute name, cute avatar

cute signature, yeah, you have it all down pat with the stereotypes.(NOT) I don't believe this for a minute.

[NNN0LHI]

75. The tipoff: "Let them have another 4 years of bush." Simmer down folks

This must me sarcasm? The poster just forgot to use the </sarcasm> tags. Right BourgeoisPig? Because the only people who I know want four more years of Bush are...

Don

[Cuban_Liberal]

76. Vote however your conscience dictates.

Just spare me the melodrama... :eyes:

[mmonk]

77. the president appreciates that

and the people that may get hurt by policy or judicial appointments will be very sad. But it's a free country somewhat still.

[philosophie_en_rose]

79. "Let them have another 4 years of bush. Maybe that will wake them up"

How myopic. You're free to vote as you choose, of course. However, if you think that supporting Bush will make Nader win in 2008, you're mistaken. At worst, you're risking countless lives. At best, it's just an easy win for the Democrats you seem to despise.

Either way, you still lose.


p.s. Who do you think Kucinich will vote for?

[John_H]

80. I'm voting for whichever Freeper's teeth all fall out first!!!!

[Tinoire]

81. Spare us the bull-shit & comedy.

:eyes:

[VOX]

82. How subtle. May your republic remain free, comrade!

And may your little piggies always be bourgeois.

[w4rma]

83. very poor tactics. (n/t)

[Hav]

84. Oh the loss, he's gone!

Tombstoned, the shame.
Well, he won't be able to boast on Freerepublic how he is a poster with 1000+ posts and how he is pretending to be anti-Kerry or anti-Edwards to stir up discussions when he's voting for Bush anyways.


BourgeoisPig haha (wink wink)...good one. :thumbsup: