The "Goldwater Girl" and her "Kindergarten" remark

[cuke]

Isn't it a bit hypocritical to criticize Hillary for making the Kindergartner remark *and* criticize her because she was a republican as a child?

[AtomicKitten]

1. I wouldn't know; I have never criticized her for that.

I do have a huge problem with her voting YES on the IWR and Kyl-Lieberman, however.

[maddiejoan]

6. and I have a problem with Obama

using two votes he sat out on as a bludgeon.

[Teaser]

8. why?

I'd sure as hell use them.

[maddiejoan]

15. I guess I see them as empty weapons.

with zero convictions behind them.

[AtomicKitten]

13. It is his argument to make regardless of whether or not you approve.

Plausible deniability aside, even if he ducked Kyl-Lieberman for political reasons as alleged (he made it clear his vote would make no difference and it didn't so I'm good with it), I'm effin thrilled for two reasons: (1) that he didn't vote yes, and (2) that he's strategizing. Works for me.

So, please. Bring it on.

If you can rationalize yes votes for war and more war and be fine with that, then Hillary's your girl.

I'm content knowing Obama has the moral authority to be president having been on the right side of issues of war all along.

[maddiejoan]

14. Hillary is my candidate.

Not "my girl"

That out of the way --yeah. I have no problems with her vote on either IWR or Kyl/Lieberman.

She's made her reasons for those votes clear enough to me, and I trust her judgement on both far more than Mr. Obama's decision not to decide.

To me he's an empty suit.

[AtomicKitten]

17. What do you call someone who

... voted YES on Kyl-Lieberman and then quickly jumps on Jim Webb's bill trying to neuter Kyl-Lieberman?

A TRIANGULATOR, in the purest sense of the word.

You can only wish Obama is an empty suit.

See ya at the ballot box. :hi:

[cuke]

18. Consistent

What do you call someone who says his health plan is universal, then saying it's "virtually universal", then NOT universal, and then it is universal?

Most people call him "Obama"

[maddiejoan]

20. an Empty suit.

[maddiejoan]

19. You talking about the Durbin clause?

It was the exact right move.

and no. I WISH Obama lived up to his hype.

[emilyg]

22. Amen.

[hedgehog]

2. Well, I think she's running as Republican-Lite. Does that count?

[EV_Ares]

5. More than republican lite with Rupert Murdoch holding fundraisers

and giving money to her campaign.

[skipos]

3. What kindergarten remark? nt

[journalist3072]

11. There was no "kindergarten remark." What the OP is referring to, is the Fact Hub of Sen. Clinton's

campaign website.

In the fact hub of Sen. Clinton's website, there are some facts debunking Sen. Obama's claim, that he isn't running for POTUS based on some long-held desire for the Presidency. He's been attacking Sen. Clinton, saying he's not running for POTUS because he feels entitled to it.

Anyway, there are some facts out there that clearly debunk that. Including the fact that after Obama won the Senate seat, he began exploring the possible run for President. At the very end of the fact sheet, is a part that says even in kindnergarten, he talked about being President.

The Obama apologists are having a field day with that, saying the Clinton camp is attacking him for something he said in kindnergarten.

[jefferson_dem]

12. Hillary's new line of attack on Obama is that he wrote essays on how he wanted to be President

when he was in kindergarten and in the third grade. Seems many of her supporters here are vigoriously defending this tack. Glorious, eh.

Here is the pathetic attack, from her website ---

His kindergarten teacher:

Iis Darmawan, 63, Obama's kindergarten teacher, remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. "He wrote an essay titled, "I Want To Become President," the teacher said.

His third grade teacher:

Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's third-grade teacher, "asked her class to write an essay titled 'My dream: What I want to be in the future.' Obama wrote 'I want to be a president,' she said."

[cuke]

21. Misleading

Obama said he hasn't been thinking about running for president for years the way some other candidates have. Hillary pointed out that Obama was lying by providing evidence that Obama had been thinking about it in the Senate, in college, and even wrote a essay as a child where he said he wanted to be president when he grew up. The Obama apologists want people to think that all she mentioned was the kindergarten essay, when the evidence shows he ALWAYS has been thinking about it.

Basically, Obama is like Bill Clinton. Both of them grew up wanting to be president but for some reason, Obama wants to not only hide it, but attack Clinton for being the same way as he is; ambitious

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[Joe the Revelator]

7. This is boring, Hillary has made this primary season into a joke.

[EV_Ares]

9. Hey, I am sure there are more laughs coming. Look at her supporters

[Joe the Revelator]

10. You're right. It makes up for the writers stirke...

I was missing sketch comedy.

[Maven]

16. Her detractors have done as much to draw attention to her as anyone.

What else is new?

[emilyg]

23. Only boring people are bored.