Hear what the Constitution Party is saying about Bush: They want him OUT

[rpf113]

as much as we do!!

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The Definition of Insanity


by Mary Starrett
Commentator and Talk Radio Host

...is repeating the same behavior and expecting different results. We must be certifiable because that's what we did in 2000 and it appears that's what we'll be doing again in 2004.

Republicans have controlled both the executive and legislative branches of government for most of Bush's last four years. That's the first time the Grand Old Party's been in charge to that degree for almost 50 years. You'd think that would be a slam-dunk for our side. No such luck. In the last four years we've watched as First Amendment, Second Amendment and Fourth Amendment guarantees have slowly been eroded.

We wanted to make sure the carnage of abortion stopped - so we voted for a Republican. The killing continues.

We longed for a president who'd stand up for our God-given Second Amendment rights. Instead we got a president who has systematically made keeping and bearing arms more difficult.

We voted for a Republican because we wanted a reigning-in of federal spending. We now have the most bloated federal budget in the history of the Republic. No longer the party of fiscal discipline, the R's have become de facto pig farmers with all the pork projects they've funded. That used to be something we pinned on the D's.


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So it looks like the Judge is not going to run, but they are going to run someone. I think we need to sneak onto freeperville and start promoting the hell out of the constitution party. Anybody undercover there? Start dropping that editorial to them!

SO LET'S ALL DONATE $10 to the Constitution Party and give Bush his own Ralph Nader.

http://www.constitutionparty.com/news.php?aid=65

[rpf113]

1. Shameless Kick.

I think this is a great opportunity for us.

[rpf113]

2. Listen to how she finishes it off:

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The moral imperative says I can not cast a vote for a de facto pro-abortion, anti-gun globalist when a man of sound principle like Michael Peroutka is running.(www.peroutka2004.com) I agree with him on every issue. I had a chance to interview Mr. Peroutka on a radio show I did yesterday and I was mightily encouraged. Not because I think he'll win. He won't. Not as long as Americans continue to believe they're " wasting" their votes by voting for someone who represents them.

You "wasted' your vote the last time, when you voted for Bush. Don't waste it again. Remember, if we continue to repeat the same behavior expecting different results, then we are truly insane.

And the lesser of two evils is still…evil.

© 2004 Mary Starrett - All Rights Reserved

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http://www.constitutionparty.com/news.php?aid=65


Let's start promoting the hell out of this Peroutka!

[Nashyra]

3. I'l donate

kick

[not systems]

4. You mean like the Republicans backing...

Sharpton.

Except we could do internet fund raising to a far right splinter party?

Freaky!

What are the laws about that type of thing?

It sounds illegal.

But with all the talk about people interfering in primaries does
this stuff really happen?

Is the world that strange?


Just to be clear I don't thing this is a good idea.

It is just the type of thing that is governed by the laws
of unexpected consequence.

[rpf113]

5. It's not illegal at all!

You can donate to any candidate you wish.
So let's get the word out about the Constiution party!

[not systems]

6. Sounds dangerous.

If it worked to well it would strengthen the wrong side.

If it worked a little it would only make a small difference.

Better not play with fire.

[rpf113]

7. I just joined freeperville...

shhhhhhhhh....
I must gain their trust and then slowly start spreading constitution party propoganda.

COME JOIN MEQ!!!

[Q3JR4]

8. Has the

constitution party picked a presidential candidate yet?

If so, I'll donate.

[EstimatedProphet]

9. Although I like the idea of returning the Nader favor...

I really don't like the idea of making these goofheads more powerful.
Starett says some pretty bizarre things, that are scary in their implication:

"We wanted to make sure the carnage of abortion stopped - so we voted for a Republican. The killing continues."-Of course, the carnage in Iraq is nothing to be concerned about, maybe even enjoyed.

"We longed for a president who'd stand up for our God-given Second Amendment rights. Instead we got a president who has systematically made keeping and bearing arms more difficult."-I hadn't realized God wrote the Bill of Rights. Funny, I thought it was drafted by the Continental Congress when they wrote the Constitution in 1787. Must have skipped the day in History class where they talked about Divine Intervention in writing government documents.

"A recent poll on WorldNetDaily.com asked readers if they'd vote for Judge Roy Moore should he run as a third party candidate against Bush. What is there to talk about? A man who would give up prominence and defy a federal court for Christian principle (which is what this Republic was founded on) would be a de-luxe president in my mind."-No comment needed-this speaks volumes alone.

Again, I like the idea of supporting a "Nader" to split up Bush* freepers, but I think a better approach is for someone more moderate, because if we make people like Ms. Starrett more powerful, we'll certainly regret it down the road someday.

[rpf113]

11. Who cares what she says!

I don't agree with just about anything she said! I just want some party to counter the Nader effect, and maybe do even better.

Get the word out to ultraconservatives and evangelicals that there is a party out there for them. "Bush is a baby killer" she basically says in this article. THat's pure bliss for me. If only ever ultraconservative could read that.

[Meldread]

17. Nothing to worry about.

Look we have everything to benefit by helping these guys out. For one it will neutralize anyone who votes for Nader over the Dem Nominee. Second it will hurt Bush with his base. Third it will hurt the Republican Party if we can make these guys a real issue.

They have *NO HOPE* of gaining main stream power. They are basically Pat Robertson Republicans -- perhaps even more extreme in some areas. At *BEST* they can hope to win on a local level but even then their powers will be limited.

The only way they could cause us harm down the road is if their beliefs some how become mainstream... take a look around... Right Wing Extremist Christians are in the minority by far. Hell even Church attendance is on the decline I believe. Most Americans who identify themselves as 'Christians' don't practice Christianity. We have nothing to fear from these guys, but they can be useful tools against the Republicans and especially in this election.

So many Republicans are upset over Bush. Combine that with the out and out hatred and anger of him on the left, and the moderates who are growing more and more distant from him each day... we can win this election with a landslide. Hell we could win the election with a landslide even with Al Sharpton as our Nominee.

The key is to put Bush and the Republicans in a "Damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation. If they pander to the extremist elements of their party they'll lose moderates. If they don't they'll lose their base. This is what is happening to the Democrats with the Green Party. We need to counter the effect by helping the Constitution Party do the same to the Republicans.

Check this out: http://www.worldmagblog.com/archives/000850.html

Here are some fun little quotes taken from their little debate:
"I just do not understand the logic behind people who are considering voting against Bush because he has not turned out to be conservative enough. A vote for anyone else may as well be a vote for the Democratic nominee, and that person will certainly be far more liberal than Bush."

"In practical effect, a vote for a third party candidate is a vote for the opposition. Look at Perot in 92 and Nader in 00. I need say no more."

"I believe Mr. Moore would be exactly what this country needs. I'm not talking about setting up a theocracy, but I am all for scaling back the government's abuse of power. That was what his defiance of the federal court order was all about- jurisdiction. He believed that the federal courts overstepped their bounds in usurping the power of the state of Alabama."

"Maybe Moore's voiced intention to run will alert Bush that he is in danger of losing his base. Perhaps then he would veto some pork spending."

"Yes, Joe B., Moore should throw his support behind an existing third party like the Constitution Party. I believe their platform is a mirror-image of what Moore would say. ... I think that Christians should give this serious consideration since the Republicans and Democrats are no longer pursuing a best course for this country and its citizens."

So on and so on.

[EstimatedProphet]

21. OK, I agree with the idea in principle

But let me clarify my earlier point: I think in the long run it can be important not only that a group gets splintered, but HOW it gets splintered. I like the idea of splintering the Republicans, especially because they've done it to us, but I can't and don't feel, as you apparently do, that the loons in the Constitution Party will never go anywhere. What if you're wrong? What if they become more solidified, and move back into the Republican Party? You think what we've had is bad, imagine how much worse it could get...
I'd support this, but I would rather it were an appeal to the more moderate members of the Republicans. I am terrified at the thought of RW fanatics becoming even more powerful, especially so since I remember how they used to be laughed at before Reagan. Nobody's laughing now. Any more power for them, and the laughter will be tears instead. Frankly, laughter is really the only appropriate and most effective weapon against them; anything else and they think they're being justified...

[King of New Orleans]

10. Nope

No donation here.

If I have an extra 10 bucks or 100 bucks or 1000 bucks it goes to the dem nominee.

Stuff like donating to the Constitution party is just bad karma.

[rpf113]

12. Then...

E-mail that article I posted to all of your Republican friends. Maybe a few of them will switch over... :)

[King of New Orleans]

18. My repub acquaintances

are more likely to be swayed by arguments about Bush's incompetence and fiscal mismanagement than to vote for a fring candidate. They may not vote for the Dem, but they may just not vote at all.

[rpf113]

13. OK don't donate money,

but if you live in a swing state....

GET INVOLVED in their candidate's campaign.

http://www.peroutka2004.com/getinvolved.html

[PDittie]

14. Judge Roy MOORE!

We've been talking about it all day on other threads.

[rpf113]

15. He's not their candidate.

This Pertouka fellow is.

[Meldread]

19. According to their Chairman...

Pertouka is a stand-in until the convention. If Moore is running he'll get the nomination hands down. However, Pertouka is just a stand in their Chairman said so. Also Moore has been attending Constitution Party events. Look at their Up Coming Events page. He's scheduled for two of them.

[JackRiddler]

16. As far as Republican alternatives go, I like this one best

http://johnbuchanan.org

[loudsue]

23. Is John Buchanan on the ballot in all states??

I've been wondering if he has taken his show on the road. I like John Buchanan!! He ROCKS!

.....and he HATES G.W.!!!

:kick::kick:

[mikehiggins]

20. That is just inspired

I'm gonna send a donation and I urge anyone who can to do so.

Let's give the RePugs their own ABB candidate.

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