Hey. Guess what? Nobody voting for Nader would ever vote Dem anyway

[NNN0LHI]

But what Nader running does do is give these Trojan Horses a soap box to go on to the Internet and use him as their "supposed" high ground to rip apart our Democratic nominee no matter who that is using the phony liberal Ralph to hide behind.

There is no way of on any anonymous board on the Internet to know who is and who is not a Republican acting like a Nader supporter all the while ripping our Democratic candidates to shreds. And we even get to pay for the bandwidth for them to do it too. Ain't that quaint?

You all can do as you wish, but from here on out I will reserve the right to assume that all such posters on the Internet are Republicans who's main goal is keeping Bush in office. Because that is what they are attempting to do. You can take that to the bank.

Don

[mitchum]

1. I think you're right...

and it may be a wise policy for the administrators to treat such postings as freeper disruptions (just a suggestion)

[Name removed]

3. Deleted message

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[hippiechick]

6. Nader isn't a Green

In case you haven't read - he's running as an Inde.
He NEVER WAS a member of the Green Party, either.


Sheesh :eyes:



:hippie:

[mitchum]

14. "Nader isn't a Green" bears repeating

because it's true

[Maddy McCall]

16. Yes, that's right. This isn't www.bushenablingunderground.com

Even the greens won't have him now.

[Name removed]

24. Deleted message

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[adadem]

27. Or RedUnderground either

There is a website for the socialists, too.

[mitchum]

33. Well, I'm a socialist who will strongly support the Democratic nominee

Better Red Than Stupid

ABB

[adadem]

42. That's great

as long as you support or vote for the Democratic nominee.
My dig is to those who come to DemocraticUnderground and bash Democratic candidates in favor of third party candidates who will only benefit shrub! This is not the time for making "statments" it's the time to get shrub out.
:hi:

[ulysses]

35. Aaaagh! Communists too, you say?

Do you know that there have been socialists on DU for years, right out in the open where everyone can see them, and the admins have done nothing to stop the menace? It's an outrage, truly.

[Frances]

10. I agree

I think the supporters of Nader and other 3rd party candidates have every right to support their candidate.

But I think they should do so somewhere other than Democratic underground.

This website should be for those people who want to support one of the Democratic candidates.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

50. I know he is. eom

[creativelcro]

2. Not voting for Nader, but I donated...

[Crunchy Frog]

43. He doesn't need your donations

Believe me, he will get all the money that he needs from Republican contributors.

[Old and In the Way]

4. I'm with you Don.

For now on, a simple "Republican stooge" will be my response to any poster who tries to lay a 3rd party rationale on the board.

[Iverson]

5. I must have imagined my involvement with the Democrats.

And wasn't I there marching in Detroit's Labor Day Parade in 1984 and 1985? I guess not, since the needs of NNNOLHI's imagination take priority over fact.

Wow!

[Old and In the Way]

9. who cares what you were doing in 1984 and 1985? It's what you're

planning to do in November that counts.

[Iverson]

13. I'm only responding to the argument.

I realize that that may not be all right with you, but into each life a little rain must fall.

The argumentative thesis was condescending and simply inaccurate. Sorry that you're upset it's been disproven.

In November, I will vote for a candidate who represents my interests. I do not pledge to be an ant. If that too brings you pain, I am sure that you will find the courage to endure, somehow.

[Old and In the Way]

21. Of that, I have no doubt.

Nothing Don said has been disproved. Vote Nader, Bush, or whoever strikes your elitist fancy, but it will be a vote against Democrats.
Obviously, your interests don't include seeing George Bush defeated.

[The Magistrate]

15. Well Said, My Friend

As the man said: "What have you done for me lately?"

If a person is now arguing or working for the Wrecker Nader, it does not matter to me in the slightest what that person's previous incarnations may have been: today, he is a witting and willing tool of reaction.

"KIll one, warn one hundred."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

29. "What have you done for me lately?"

Great question.

[vision]

39. But if you ask that about Kerry, et al

than you are ignoring their record and not being a loyal Democrat

[philosophie_en_rose]

46. Thank you, sir.

I appreciate your post. I don't understand how people can vote for a fraud like Nader, especially when Rep. Kucinich has actually fought for the ideals that Nader claims to support.

The hypocritical doomsday-cult of Ralph Nader is more supportive of Bush than any supposed DLC conspiracy.

[Maddy McCall]

19. Keep bush in power...you'll have plenty more protests to attend...

Exponentially more.

[adadem]

30. And this time

your protests won't be from a "free speech zone" it will be from a cell. That's exactly where ashcrap want's all protesters.

[NNN0LHI]

37. I think you mean...

...that's exactly where ashcrap wants for all Democratic protesters? Lets not kid ourselves here. I hate the Patriot Act as much as anyone, but if we got to have one I want a Dem picking the Attorney General that would enforce the damn thing. If we can't agree on that there is something wrong around here. This is some serious business.

Don

[meti57b]

7. A vote for anyone other than the Democratic nominee, is a vote for bush.

[ulysses]

8. you're wrong,

but you'll never believe it. Ah well.

[capriccio]

11. Moot Point

Whether they're freepers or not makes little difference, since they're openly hostile to the success of the Democratic Party. I'm not quite sure how they manage to get a free pass here anyway. The gossip, half-truths, and out and out mischief they post would get an avowed Republican banned in a heartbeat, yet their aim is the same...the continuation of George W. Bush's reign.

[waldenx]

12. That is the most repulsive thing I have ever read here

Its almost as if you WANT people to leave the dem party.

[ulysses]

18. you can't be clueing in to that just now.

The Glorious Purge has been the goal of quite a few for some time.

[fujiyama]

52. Frankly speaking...

This ISN'T NaderiteUnderground.com

So, no I don't want Nader supporters around here. They DON'T share the goal that Bush needs to be removed from power. That makes puts them in league with freepers and other Bush enablers.

[mitchum]

20. Maybe he just wants people to leave a Dem message board...

and take their "highly principled" dog and pony show somewhere else (but I can't speak for him)

[ulysses]

22. ah yes.

The "dog and pony show" of democracy in action. How we hate it so.

[mitchum]

25. No, the dog and pony show of denying the reality...

of the entrenched 2 party system. That's what I don't understand about 3rd party insurgents. If they really believe that the fix is in, why would they ever think that they can change the situation through the conventional electoral system? Only a violent revolution would accomplish a change, but I guess that would be too "messy"

[ulysses]

26. I don't think anyone considering a third-party vote

imagines that it will change much in and of itself. Perhaps what you really don't understand is what leads people to vote for a third party candidate.

[mitchum]

32. Easy nobility?

or
That rebel spirit? (Can't they just dye their hair fuchsia or something?)
or
Their precious vote? (Not that precious considering how many citizens don't use theirs)
or
Afraid to get "messy"?

[ulysses]

36. thanks for confirming my suspicion.

:)

[mitchum]

38. No fair...I have four likely suspicions...

and I can't narrow them down any further

[capriccio]

28. Bravo

Too messy...too much work...too time consuming. For these people democracy only works when their side wins. When the other side wins, it's all about the grand conspiracy, or media manipulation, or the stupidity of the electorate.

Reminds me of the old joke. Kid wants a bike for Christmas. Dad says, well then pray to God for it. Kid prays to God. Christmas comes and he doesn't get his bike. He goes crying to Dad, "I asked God for a bike but he didn't answer my prayers. Dad says, "Yes, he did. He said no."

[ulysses]

31. heh.

Cute joke, but how fortunate for us that the DNC isn't God.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

51. It is indeed about getting messy. The world is complicated, grey areas...

thinking abut what are the possiblities and probabilities.... very messy indeed.

[capriccio]

34. You really have to get around more

Especially check out the Kerry bashing threads. Do I want people to leave the Democratic Party? Hardly. I'm working every single day to make sure that everyone I know votes Democrat this November. But that's not the point. Frankly, if I ran this place absolutely everyone would be welcome, and I mean everyone. But since the rules are that this is suppposed to be a place in support of the Democratic Party and its candidates, I find it a little disconcerting to see how folks coming from the left get to say things about candidates that people coming from the right could never get away with. The expression that comes to mind is wolves in sheep's clothing.

[buddhamama]

17. wrong.

voted Nader twice but have voted DEM too, in House and Senate races.

[daveskilt]

23. this is an interesting idea.

But suppose nader didnt run and there were only 2 candidates - Would the people voting nader vote bush, vote the dem, or not vote? or would they write in? I have to belive that some of them would vote and since they are by and large more informed they would be unlikely to vote for the bushco stripminers. is that really enough to make a difference - I don't know?

Now if only you could have a democratic system like britains with no electoral college, more open elections, and proportional representation. the libdems in britain may not have a lot of hope of winning but they are big enough to be relevant as are the greens, the SNP, Pliad Cymru, and the socialist workers party. ok not the swp they are kind of a joke. isn't this what america was meant to be? Many voices all with input into the democratic process to represent the interest of all citizens? out of many one, not out of 2 very similar ones one.

[annagull]

40. I agree that if they are voting Nadar they aren't planning on

voting for a Democrat, anyway. However, I don't think that all of these people are republicans. Harold Brown and Larouche always get SOMEONE to vote for them, I think Nadar will join them in splitting the protest vote. He won't get nearly the same amount of the vote he did in 2000.

[xray s]

41. my guess

Roger Stone is bankrolling Ralph.

[lurk_no_more]

44. No truer words were ever spoken

Thank You!:headbang::yourock:




And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[Blue_Roses]

45. I agree

and it really pisses me off.

[rpf113]

47. I already saw in freeperville

that some of them are undercover here at the DU posting pro-Nader propoganda. Two different posters said they were going to come over here and do that.

LET'S SNIFF THEM OUT.

[MurikanDemocrat]

48. Not true. Most of the Nader votes last time were protest votes.

And most of them are voting Dem this time.

[dawn]

49. Yeah! I totally agree.

It would be so easy for them to do.

[lojasmo]

53. I won't vote for Nader

But the premise is bullshit.