Just for the record, Edwards is not scaring the shit out of me

[wyldwolf]

:shrug:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3773505&mesg_id=3773505

[JI7]

1. why didn't you just reply in that thread ?

[itsrobert]

2. Hillary and her pro-war stance is scaring the shit out of me

Why not you?

[wyldwolf]

4. because she doesn't have a pro-war stance

[Perry Logan]

5. Don't waste your time pointing out facts to anti-Hillarites. It just makes them madder.

[wyldwolf]

7. "... but momma... that's where the fun is...."

[Tellurian]

14. I can't say Edwards lied to KO with a straight face because..

in case you haven't noticed, even his face is crooked. Draw a straight line vertically from his forehead to his chin. Edwards has 2 faces just like he says, there are two Americas. Well, we know which one he lives in. He is where he is today, because he stood on the backs of Americans to get there.

I could believe what I was hearing him say when he appeared on Olberman. (paraphrased)"I intend to end the war when I'm elected" "Hillary, she, plans on keeping troops there indefinitely."

I didn't catch that when he said it originally. And couldn't believe what I was hearing when it replayed.

The(flat out lie)interview is on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPU3xAbCw-U

[neutron]

16. This lie is scaring the shit out of me

Bill was the most war-avoiding president in history.
I wish the other candidates would stop this garbage because you are insulting
the intelligence of the people in your party.
You think they're a bunch of right wing fools who don't remember what flush
peaceful times we had when Clinton was in office.

[mtnsnake]

17. Hillary's stance on the war is 10X gutsier than Edwards & 50X more pro-peace

Last I knew, the one and only candidate who said they would end the war immediately upon taking the oath, if it was still going on, just happened to be named Hillary Clinton, not John Edwards. This is why Hillary is the Goddess of Peace and John Edwards is just that unemployed guy who co-sponsored the Iraq War last time he was working.

The lady simply has what it takes, and that's why she's trouncing him in all the polls. People trust her. They know who will end the war and who will just talk about it. Edwards just likes to run his mouth. Too bad Edwards can't at least give her a little competition like Obama is, just to make it interesting. :smoke:

[Tellurian]

20. Rest assured, Edwards has been peddling that "LIE" daily in Iowa..

Edwards is a conniving sob. Just goes to show you, Edwards will say anything and everything to WIN the nom.. .

Hillary needs to bring that point to light while she is on the campaign trail in Iowa. Mention Edwards by name and show him up for the liar he is. The Iraq War is the main issue with Iowans, everything else is secondary.

[Evergreen Emerald]

18. that is a lie. Why are you repeating a lie?

[mtnsnake]

21. Lying is an act of desperation with them

When it's cronic, it's a sickness.

Unfortunately, the anonymity of the internet makes lying all too easy to get away with.

[Clark2008]

3. It scares me to think how he's duped so many people....

[Alamom]

6. me, too. nm

[MethuenProgressive]

9. He's very effective at convincing small groups of people. Like juries and 12% of Dems.

I'll vote for our nominee, no matter who, but if it's Edwards we'll get crushed in the general.
He's Mike Dukakis, in short pants.

[1932]

19. You remember when you went around telling everyone that Nancy Pelosi's

daughter wrote in her book some crap about Edwards? You swore she wrote it. The book was available on Google books, and what you claimed she said wasn't there.

Remember when you told a story about your brother in law and Edwards that evolved into a completely different story?

To argue that other people are "duped" (presumably by lies) into supporting Edwards is funny when you, yourself, haven't kept your facts straight when you've tried to convince people not to like him.

[wyldwolf]

22. do you remember back when Edwards was a member of the DLC and ...

..and a founding member of the DLC's Senate New Democrats? Do you remember his centrist voting record in the Senate? You do?

Do you remember any "progressive"* votes he's made since leaving the senate? You don't? Because since leaving the senate, he's been nothing but talk.

Was he pandering while a centrist or is he pandering now to "progressives"*? Bob Shrum wrote in his recent book he thought, in 1999 or so, that Edwards was a future president. Ya think Edwards has tried to craft an incarnation of himself TWICE to fit the image of the groups he thinks are most likely to propel him into the White House?

[1932]

23. Do you remember how, while Dean, Lieberman, Gephardt and everyone else

running in 2004 attended both DLC meetings prior to 2004 election, and gave speeches and asked for their support, Edwards did not even attend.

Do you remember how Daniel Shorr said on NPR that the DLC does not support Edwards because of his stance on free trade?

What progressive VOTES has Edwards made since LEAVING the Senate? Huh?

Do you remember how project vote smart has a list of Edwards's ratings by liberal groups and he's at or near 100% from labor groups, senior citizens groups, abortion rights groups, and dozens of other liberal groups, and has low ratings from all the right wing groups?

Jeez. Who's duping whom?

[wyldwolf]

25. did you answer my questions and I just missed it?

:shrug:

Do you remember how Daniel Shorr said on NPR that the DLC does not support Edwards because of his stance on free trade?

Who is Daniel Shorr and how does he speak for the DLC? :rofl:


What progressive VOTES has Edwards made since LEAVING the Senate? Huh? Zero.

Your reply did not address my points at all.

[1932]

26. Dan Schorr is a reporter who reported the undisputed and uncontradicted fact that the DLC did not

support Edwards for very obvious reasons. They exist to support neoliberal policies, and Edwards voted against neoliberal policies.

As for votes outside the senate--Edwards has done more than you to support progressivism with his actions and votes, I suspect.

[wyldwolf]

27. stay on topic and address my points. Don't try to divert with "progressive"* marxist rhetoric

No one is impressed with your use of terms like "neoliberal" policies.

[rinsd]

33. What progressive VOTES has Edwards made since LEAVING the Senate? Huh?

None. Can't vote when one is not a Senator.

"Running in 2004 attended both DLC meetings prior to 2004 election, and gave speeches and asked for their support, Edwards did not even attend."

But he did address the convention in 2002.

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=106&subid=122&contentid=250711

Also I dont see any of the Democratic candidates in 2004 listed as speakers for the DLC's meetings either in 2004 or 2003.

Do you have link to back up your claim?

[NavyDavy]

8. none of our candidates scare me.....we should stop attacking

our own and attack the repukes...

[William769]

10. Me either.

How can I be scared of someone who is afraid of his own shadow.

[SaveElmer]

11. Scares me that so many are duped by his "disappearing senate career" act..

[William769]

12. Now that is priceless!

:rofl:

[cali]

13. eww.

I'm not an Edwards' fan, but that cartoon has a right wing stench to it.

[Tellurian]

15. A picture is worth 1000 words..I'm not a RW'er and I've said it all along..

The proof is in his Senate record, he never talks about!

[SaveElmer]

24. Given the right wing stench directed at Hillary here on a minute by minute basis...

Who can complain about one little jab back...

[cali]

29. I have objected to the right wing baloney thrown against her

regularly- and I take quite a bit of crap for doing so. I don't like it whoever it's directed at.

[cuke]

31. Disgusting

We don't have to act like repukes to criticize a dem. Edwards has a record. He can run from it, but he can't hide.

[liskddksil]

28. Mudslingling again

Your candidate told everyone that was she was tired of mudslinging and personal attacks. Yet in this thread I've seen Senator Edwards be called a chronic liar, implied that he is a coward, refrred to as "Mike Dukakis, in short pants", his supporters be called hypocrites, and peddled every rightwing talking points against the senator. Do your candidate a favor and stop this garbage and lets keep it to the issues.

[wyldwolf]

30. I should point out to you it wasn't a Clinton supported who slung mud first in this thread.

..and that always seems to be the pattern among supporters of candidates believed to be the most "progressive."* When they insult, attack, sling mud, it isn't really attacking because what they're speaking "truth to power." So they never believe they slung mud first when, in fact, they have most often do.

[Cameron27]

32. He doesn't scare me either.

(well, I certainly don't look forward to a possible Edwards presidency) but I generally leave the rah-rah threads alone.

[Clintonista2]

34. Edwards doesn't even register on my radar. Let the kids have their delusions, though. n/t.

[Auntie Bush]

35. Nor me either!!!!!!!!!!!

Bush and cronies scare the sh*t out of me! Especially after reading Naomi Wolfs article/predictions.

[zulchzulu]

36. This flamebait comes in a Curry Mustard sauce with turtle turds from Punjab

Why not talk to an alcohol treatment specialist? You obviously need to put the bottle down.