The U.S. Supreme Court - voting third party may fuck us for 40 years

[ringmastery]

I want to know if the people here who are thinking about voting third party know the ramifications of their actions.

O'Connor, Stevens, Rinquist, and Ginsburg are likely to retire within the next few years.

How would you like a supreme court made up of Thomas, Scalia, and 4 more right wing nutjobs?

[Iverson]

1. I'd hate it, like I hate accomodating the far right.

The cure is to run a decent candidate, make the third party unnecessary, and not bend over for the criminals.

Just my opinion, of course.

[poskonig]

4. We don't have perfect candidates.

We were/are stuck with an aristocratic senator from Massachusetts, a boring moderate from Connecticut, a wildeyed former governor from a dinky state, a flower-power congressman from Ohio, and so forth. There is no Clinton that can unite everybody in this pack, but we don't have a moronic Dubya in there either.

The world isn't perfect, and politics is not beanbag.

[Iverson]

5. Let me mark my calendar.

no perfect candidates, you say?
world not perfect?
politics not beanbag?

(scribble, scribble)

The new things that one learns!

[NewYorkerfromMass]

25. One learns most by experience

scribble that one down too while you're at it.

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. Good Lord, would not WANT another Clinton (Think Edwards can pull folks in

But give me the "flower power" of Kucinich. He's not that outrageously left in his convictions. You've just gotten used to the right-leaning middle we've had for the past few decades. :(

[poskonig]

12. Name five issues where Kucinich is conservative.

Kucinich isn't a moderate; he's a hardliner. Kerry isn't much different on most issues, which makes the ongoing Nader dialogue perplexing.

[GreenPartyVoter]

14. My issue is not with you calling Dennis a leftist

and no other than formerly being pro-life I can't give you those five issues. (And again he could still be further to the left, he is NOT off the charts by any means.)

I DO take issue with you trivializing him and his platform by calling it "flower power". You made it sound like being left leaning passe and pointless, which it is not.

[Paulie]

17. Please refine your question some more

I'll take a stab at answering if you define conservative for me. Thanks!

[poskonig]

20. Find 5 major issues where Kucinich agrees with Bush.

:beer:

[Fitzovich]

13. Why not

I would take another Clinton - any day of the week

[GreenPartyVoter]

15. Nafta, bad record on the environment, etc

Read Michael Moore's chapter on him in "Stupid White Men" and you'll get the picture why. :)

(This doesn't mean I would not take Slick Willy over $hrub, though, it means I would not take him over the other Dems running now.)

[AntiCoup2K4]

8. Your opinion is shared by many others.

And once again, I must remind those who repeat the Supreme Court mantra that the DLC puppet they are blindly accepting voted to confirm Fat Tony Scalia, possibly the worst piece of shit to ever sit on a SCOTUS bench.

If Kerry wants to prove himself worthy of saving the judiciary, let's see what he does about Junior's recent disgusting "recess" appointments. Will he allow them to remain seated because it's easier than more hearings cutting into his campaign time? Will he bother to show up for the vote?

[SerpentX]

10. Just so we're clear on this

That confirmation vote went 98-0.

[ringmastery]

11. That's interesting

Why did Scalia get sworn in and not Bork? Weren't they the same?

[QC]

16. The recess appointments are in effect until 2005,

so I don't think that there will be any attempt to remove him before the election.

[Monte Carlo]

9. No party is going to accomidate everyone.

It is more than who's right. The criminals are powerful - they run the federal government and have lots of friends in the national media. We must stop fixating on past mistakes and focus more on the next few years. Kerry and Edwards have made mistakes, but Washington is Washington, and you can't win all the time. However many parties you have, no one party is going to get everything it wants, even the GOP today.

Is a third party vote really necessary to send the Democratic Party a message? Personally, I think even the DNC got the message from the Dean campaign - people are fed up and angry. He forced the other candidates to grow a spine to survive. I'd say a big message has already been sent. Even if you don't like either of Kerry or Edwards in the primaries, I think that your vote in the general election would be most effective if you directed it where the fight is going to be. Sauron needs to be defeated now.

[Iverson]

18. sure

However, you are responding to different points than the one I raised.

Look around you on this board. Supposedly, we are constituted by the more left side of the Democratic Party and other progressives. People have learned nothing except how to become more entrenched in their positions.

[oasis]

19. Hate boot camp too? A draft will accomodate the far right's PNAC agenda.

There's much more at stake in this election than replacing a bunch of SCOTUS old fogeys.

[Iverson]

23. well then

It's time to run a pro-war, pro-economic globalization candidate. We'll give the right wing what they want until they cry "uncle!"

[oasis]

24. We know that Bush will see his election as a mandate to continue his "War

on Terrorism". With Edwards or Kerry it's not that cut and dried.

[Monte Carlo]

2. I don't think this can be over emphasized.

The Supreme Court can set the tone for the government in the long-term. Justices are appointed for LIFE... and with modern medicine the way that it is, they can expect to live longer and longer. I heard that insurance companies peg the average life span in 30 or so years to be 110+ years.

[GreenPartyVoter]

3. Yep, it's scary..

Am amazed the liberal justices aren't mysteriously dropping like flies right now so that $hrubco can pack the courts already.

[PsN2Wind]

7. No sure some of the Republican....

Supremes aren't concerned with what they foisted on the nation.
There was a lot of talk about O'Connor wanting to retire but not doing it while Clinton was in office. She doesn't seem to be in a hurry to retire now. Maybe prefer history not remembering her as helping the United States of America go to ruin through her partisan vote to overrule Florida Supreme Court.

[creativelcro]

21. I agree with you on this... But if that is what the Dem party

wants, that is what they get...

[ozone_man]

22. DLC should have thought of that before alienating the left.

This argument may persuade some, but does not work for many left wing Democrats and Independents who are looking for real change. It sounds like a draft may be coming if Kerry is elected to add 40,000 troops. Perhaps more "Progressive Internationalism" wars instead of PNAC wars. I think Kerry and Bush serve the same master.